Closed Guide book pictures

Newzooboy

Newzooboy

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Noticed that zebraduiker has uploaded a range of really nice cover shots from Frankfurt guidebooks. I have also posted one or two photos in the past which are from guidebooks, as have others.

I wonder if it is worth splitting the galleries for each zoo into photos taken by us and those from the guidebooks? We could even build up a guidebook resource (ie scans of relevant pages.....properly labelled and referenced of course (its me....what elese!!:p) which would mean that we could look up old guide books on the internet (instead of dusty boxes from the loft!!). Even the zoohistory website does not have this.....it lists (for eg) all UK guides but you can't look at them....I am not proposing the whole guide be uploaded (there may be some copyright issues for current stuff)....just the cover, map and any particularly historically relevant pages.

Whats the consensus/ Zoobeat opinion on this?
 
@Newzooboy: the idea to upload photos of guidebooks is a brilliant one! I'd personally prefer if they had their own section so that they weren't intermingled with photos of actual zoos and zoo animals, but a gallery devoted strictly to guidebooks would be quite interesting to browse through.
 
I do like the idea for a seperate gallery for covers and maps! It would be a good resource (especially maps).
 
I'd love to have a facility to show scanned copies of guidebooks and maps from zoos worldwide - I think it would be a fascinating resource.

However, I am a little nervous about the concept for copyright reasons - we have had complaints in the past from zoos over copies of maps being published online.

I'm not quite sure what would be the best approach here.
 
Sim said:
I'd love to have a facility to show scanned copies of guidebooks and maps from zoos worldwide - I think it would be a fascinating resource.

However, I am a little nervous about the concept for copyright reasons - we have had complaints in the past from zoos over copies of maps being published online.

I'm not quite sure what would be the best approach here.
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I agree that this could be a little tricky but maybe we could put a date limiter on uploads. Given that this is most likely to be used as a historical resource (current maps, information on species, etc are fairly easily found on zoo websites) we could specify that only guidebooks/ maps > 5 years old (for eg) be uploaded onto the site. For current stuff we could just post links to zoo websites/ maps. Would this help to circumvent some of the copyright issues? :)
 
I agree with newzooboy an czjimmy, I miss this own section for guidebook covers and maps. I can't imagine that it would be a problem with copyrights, if only covers and maps are posted. I try to find out more about that.

Maybe there is no problem with copyrights as long as we use the covers and maps only for private reasons and not to make money with them.
 
I'd imagine the only way around the copyright would be to credit it as the zoo's work and not pass it off as your own property. I'm not entirely up to scratch on the copyright legislations though...
 
CZJimmy said:
I'd imagine the only way around the copyright would be to credit it as the zoo's work and not pass it off as your own property. I'm not entirely up to scratch on the copyright legislations though...
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No - the only way around the copyright issues is to ask for permission.

There are often "reasonable usage" provisions in copyright law, which allow you to reproduce a small portion of some content without asking permission provided that you do credit the source. However, what constitutes "reasonable" is not clearly defined - especially when images are involved.

I'll have a think about it.
 
idea to prevent copyright issues ?

hey Sim , is it possible for one of us who is reasonably good at art to draw our own map of the zoo ( perhaps with different features than what is on the zoos "original" map ) and then it can not be claimed to be from the zoo -- especially if we can get the map to show both the current and previous layouts on the same map ?
I can draw out a map of Auckland zoo so it does not in any way look like the one that the zoo has . It will be a lot simpler ( not as much detail ) and in black and white , but will still be pretty accurate . If I can find an old map , I could use red ink to show the earlier layout/exhibits .
I dont know of any zoo map that shows multiple generations/eras of the zoo , so how can something like this breach any copyright ?
 
Drawing your own map is a great idea although could be quite a lot of work for the older zoos....(also probably quite fun!!)

My original idea was to have (for each guide) the cover, map and a few pages of interest.

I am thinking mainly in terms of superseded guides/ maps. Current stuff can easily be obtained for all but the smallest zoos from current websites so a link would be fine.

I don't believe there is an internet resource of this sort anywhere. Even the zoos themselves do not post (or in may cases even hold) copies of old zoo guides so a collection of all the guides for each zoo would be useful for them aswell. Maybe we just need to ask permission of each zoo before posting?
 
I guess the recent reaction to a couple of 'unauthorised' photos from Night Safari posted on the gallery highlights the copyright points made here.....:rolleyes:
 
As a former collector of zoo guidebooks (still get a few extra heart beats when I see an old guidebook though - the passion is not totally gone :) I would like to see more guidebook covers.

However they do NOT belong in the gallery for the respective zoo. That should strictly be for personal photos from the respective zoo. I uploaded photos to the Salzburg Zoo (Austria) gallery recently and noted that a certain member has uploaded some old guidebook covers there. I think a new thread should be created in the Zoo Memorabilia forum and those scans moved to there. I haven't checked the Frankfurt Zoo forum but if those scans are still there, so should they.
 
Sim said:
I'm not quite sure what would be the best approach here.
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As a publisher (of all sorts of things, including websites and magazines), I'd err on the side of caution. Fair use allows for comment and partial extracts, enough to illustrate a critique for example, but not wholesale reproduction.

Even if a zoo gives permission for their guide to be published, they may not own all its content. For example, photographs often remain the copyright of the photographer or agency and they are in turn credited by the zoo in their guide. The zoo wouldn't have the authority to grant further usage.
 
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