Hardest species to breed..?

These birds have been bred pedro:

Blue-crowned Lory (Vini australis) 2000 London Zoo
Tahiti Blue Lory (V.peruviana) 1938 Duke of Bedford
Ultramarine Lory (V.ultramarina) 1939 Duke of Bedford
I think San Diego has also achieved success with the Vini peruviana

The species above are success in the UK that I am aware of.

Regarding hornbills I think that rufous hornbills are hard to breed, but only in Temperate climates, as many private asian collections do well with them.

Tarictics are hard to breed if the are not kept in suitable enclosures.
 
Pedro said:
fruit-crows, especially bare-necked fruit-crow (Gymnoderus foetidus), Wattled umbrellabird (Cephalopterus penduliger) and capuchinbird (Perissocephalus tricolor).
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Private breeders breed such birds better than any zoo.

Little bird park in Veldhoven, Holland has above three. They were all bred and donated by private person. Veldhoven was amazing - lots of most unusual birds, usually not labelled.
 
Spot on!
If you want to save any species from extinction, let private breeders keep it.
Australian parrots such as Princess Alexandra's (Polytelis alexandrae) and the Scarlet-chested or Splendid (Neophema splendida) are rarely seen in the wild but are common aviary birds worldwide due to the efforts of private breeders.

With beautiful softbills such as those mentioned by Pedro, serious private breeders who are not concerned with display are the way to go.
 
It depends on the individual private breeder and his/her sense of responsibility, competence and means (both money, location and time-wise) as well as the organisation of them and the money available. Otherwise You mighte nd up inter-/intraspecific hybrids, colour morphs, stubborn owners who don't want to exchange specimen for breeding because they have a personal grudge against each other, where the animals end up when the owner dies...etc.
An "interface" between zoos and private owners like the one in Münster would be the right way to go.
 
Pedro, if you find any zoo keeping them let me know too as they look like gorgeous little birds, and I'd like to take some pictures too!
 
Jo, San Deigo zoo used to have them some years ago, dont know if they still have them
 
Is that the Ultramarine?

I know that they have the Tahitian Blue, Blue crowned, Collared, Mount Apo, Talud red and Blue lory, Blue eared lory and mount goliath lorikeets (and probably more!)
 
sebbe67 said:
Acctually dont think that Rufous Hornbills are that difficult to raise, I have one pair at present and the breeder (from Thailand) from which I got them from have breed large numbers in the past 15 years, exporting over 30 back to the Philippines for breeding purpose and reintroduction there. He has about 10 pairs at the moment (two subspecies) and 7 of these has had chicks this year, 6 pairs raised their youngs to indepent age. I have to seen any breeding attempts with mine but I guess they are still abit to young.
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Hi sebbe,

It would be nice of more of this stuff would become known outside hornbill breeder circles. I could sure help the image of S.E Asian zoos and all.

Anyhow, are you already locked onto the SEAZA yourself?
What about your plans form mammals: any progress yet?

Cheers,

Jelle
 
jelle said:
Hi sebbe,

It would be nice of more of this stuff would become known outside hornbill breeder circles. I could sure help the image of S.E Asian zoos and all.

Anyhow, are you already locked onto the SEAZA yourself?
What about your plans form mammals: any progress yet?

Cheers,

Jelle
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Hello Jelle,

Yes it would certinely be a big steep forward if the private breeders here in south-east Asia became more involved with zoos in the region, as it is now the private breeders keep most birds inside local clubs or a small number of breeders and the birds just change hands between the same persons, meaning that alot of species has become inbreed as a result, Rufous hornbill for ex are really rare in asian zoos, not many keeps them while there is a quite large numbers circulating in the hands of private breeders.

I have not had much connection with SEAZA so far but I hope this will improve in the future, they are looking for additional holders for Burmese brown-antlered deer and this is one of the species I want to hold, I have a bit of land that is not used at the moment and which would be perfect for somekind of small or medium sized deer. Hog (Indochinese subspecies) or brown-antlered are the ones aim most intrested in.

The only mammals I have the moment is the Marbled cat and 9 dogs, I had a serval earlier but he has died from old age. A group (9 at the moment but growing) of long-tailed macaques considered a part of my land as belonging to their territory, they usually sleeps on the roof on our house during night and you usually wake in the morning as the baby macaques start playing with eachother on the roof, they are really loud.

I dont expect that I will be able to start building up a serious mammal collection until second quarter of 2008, just to many birds I still want to keep and these are priority right now, I will at least build up my asian hornbill collection and get more pheasants, then I will se what happens. Main problem will be to get mammals from serious people, dont want any wild caught.

My aim is to exclusively keep mammals found in Myanmar and southern Thailand.

Leopard or clouded leopard would be a dream to keep, unfortunely I dont feel I have to room to house either at the moment, I have worked with leopards in Gabon in the past so I have quite a bit of experiance with these.

Cheers
Sebbe
 
Hardest species to breed has to be the shoebill stork, simply because it has never been bred in captivity, i know there is a report of a birth in Lumumbashi in Africa but this is unverified. The Shoebill is a very secretive bird which lives deep in the swamps of central Africa, rarely venturing out of the papyrus swamps, cloaked by tall grasses and swamp plants which tells me do not put this bird on display if you want to breed from them, i realise it is not as simple as that.
Has any zoo let the shoebill catch its own food i.e stock a pond with fairly large fish and let them catch them themselves?
 
@kiang: See 17.12.2007:
Sun Wukong said:
Difficult to breed? Some stork species (like marabou storks f.e.) were already mentioned; equally difficult quite a bunch of birds like the Bulwer's Pheasant. The Shoebill is another great example: no successful captive breeding so far worldwide. Not to mention various species of fish, amphibians or reptiles,too, that have never reproduced in captivity.
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The Zoo of Entebbe in Uganda keeps shoebills in an exhibit very similar to what You imagine-although I think that keeping them together with nile monitors won't result in getting a lot of eggs...
 
Going to try and revamp this thread,

According to my school textbook Rhinos are the second hardest species to breed behind Pandas. ( they didn't state any specific rhino species)
Also I presume that sea turtles are probably hard to breed?
 
dragon(ele)nerd said:
According to my school textbook Rhinos are the second hardest species to breed behind Pandas.
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Your school textbook obviously hasn't tried platypus.

:p

Hix
 
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