Interesting, I didn't know anything about their origin.
How many Suid species/subspecies have You seen?
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Interesting, I didn't know anything about their origin.
Hello.
Phacocoerus africanus (São Paulo, 2017);
Sus scrofa domesticus (?, Rio (?)).
Besides the warthogs in São Paulo and Zoo Safari (both adjacent to one another), Brazilians zoos have no pure wild suids. I believe there is a boarhog at São José do Rio Preto.
Phacocoerus africanus (São Paulo, 2017);
Sus scrofa domesticus (?, Rio (?)).
Besides the warthogs in São Paulo and Zoo Safari (both adjacent to one another), Brazilians zoos have no pure wild suids. I believe there is a boarhog at São José do Rio Preto.
Kakapo
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I just saw the title and misread it as "how many squid species/subspecies have you seen" 
My pigs are just the usual ones:
Sus scrofa:
--domesticus
--scrofa
--castilianus
--taivanus
Sus barbatus
Sus cebifrons negrinus
Potamochoerus porcus pictus
Babyrousa babyrussa celebensis
Never saw bush pig, pygmy hog (except taxidermy) nor giant hog (except a skull at a museum). I saw the three peccary species.
My pigs are just the usual ones:
Sus scrofa:
--domesticus
--scrofa
--castilianus
--taivanus
Sus barbatus
Sus cebifrons negrinus
Potamochoerus porcus pictus
Babyrousa babyrussa celebensis
Never saw bush pig, pygmy hog (except taxidermy) nor giant hog (except a skull at a museum). I saw the three peccary species.
1. European Wild Boar (Sus scrofa scrofa)
- New Forest Wildlife Park
2. Negros Island Warty Pig (Sus cebifrons negrinus)
- Marwell Zoo
3. Red River Hog (Potamochoerus porcus)
- London Zoo
- Marwell Zoo
- Howletts Wildlife Park
4. Common Warthog (Phacochoerus africanus)
- London Zoo
5. North Sulawesi Babirusa (Babyrousa celebensis)
- London Zoo
6.? Collared Peccary (Pecari tajacu)
- Amazon World Wildlife Park
Obviously many a domestic pig too.
- New Forest Wildlife Park
2. Negros Island Warty Pig (Sus cebifrons negrinus)
- Marwell Zoo
3. Red River Hog (Potamochoerus porcus)
- London Zoo
- Marwell Zoo
- Howletts Wildlife Park
4. Common Warthog (Phacochoerus africanus)
- London Zoo
5. North Sulawesi Babirusa (Babyrousa celebensis)
- London Zoo
6.? Collared Peccary (Pecari tajacu)
- Amazon World Wildlife Park
Obviously many a domestic pig too.
1. Common warthog
2. North Sulawesi babirusa
3. Red river hog
4. Bornean bearded pig
5. Needless to say, the domesticated form of wild boar
6. Visayan warty pig
2. North Sulawesi babirusa
3. Red river hog
4. Bornean bearded pig
5. Needless to say, the domesticated form of wild boar
6. Visayan warty pig
So let's see-
Common Warthog- London, Colchester
Northern Warthog- Colchester
Red River Hog- Blackpool, London, Colchester, Edinburgh, Duisburg, Whipsnade (in the past), Woburn (in the past)
Visayan Warty Pig- Whipsnade, Newquay, Colchester, Edinburgh
Sulawesi Babirusa- London
Bornean Bearded Pig- London (in the past)
European Wild Boar- Whipsnade
Various Domestic Pig breeds too
Common Warthog- London, Colchester
Northern Warthog- Colchester
Red River Hog- Blackpool, London, Colchester, Edinburgh, Duisburg, Whipsnade (in the past), Woburn (in the past)
Visayan Warty Pig- Whipsnade, Newquay, Colchester, Edinburgh
Sulawesi Babirusa- London
Bornean Bearded Pig- London (in the past)
European Wild Boar- Whipsnade
Various Domestic Pig breeds too
Counting species -
Warthog - London [2016, 2021, earlier?], Berlin Zoo [2022], Marwell? [at most, probably a small amount of warthog behind the house walls]
Red River Hog - Chester [2019], London [2021], Marwell [2021, 2022], Howletts [2019], Paignton [2017], Edinburgh [2016], Berlin Tierpark [2022] .. any more?
Visayan Warty Pig - Bristol Zoo [2018, 2022], Chester Zoo [2019], Whipsnade? [2021], Marwell [2021, 2022], Berlin Zoo [2022] to the best of my memories - for some reason I remember seeing them at London? Though seemingly this wasn't
Sulawesi Babirusa - Chester Zoo [2019], Berlin Zoo [2022]
Bearded Pig - Berlin Zoo [2022]
Wild Boar - Some times in Latvia [2015], Whipsnade [2021]
Domestic Pig - Various times at farm parks, wildlife parks and zoos over the years - I'd inevitably be missing a few if I were to list every example I could think of
Warthog - London [2016, 2021, earlier?], Berlin Zoo [2022], Marwell? [at most, probably a small amount of warthog behind the house walls]
Red River Hog - Chester [2019], London [2021], Marwell [2021, 2022], Howletts [2019], Paignton [2017], Edinburgh [2016], Berlin Tierpark [2022] .. any more?
Visayan Warty Pig - Bristol Zoo [2018, 2022], Chester Zoo [2019], Whipsnade? [2021], Marwell [2021, 2022], Berlin Zoo [2022] to the best of my memories - for some reason I remember seeing them at London? Though seemingly this wasn't
Sulawesi Babirusa - Chester Zoo [2019], Berlin Zoo [2022]
Bearded Pig - Berlin Zoo [2022]
Wild Boar - Some times in Latvia [2015], Whipsnade [2021]
Domestic Pig - Various times at farm parks, wildlife parks and zoos over the years - I'd inevitably be missing a few if I were to list every example I could think of
Since everyone here is so happily listing North-Sulawesi babirusa I’ll shatter some dreams: the line originating from Singapore (which is what most if not all of the AZA and EAZA populations are made up off) is a hybrid line! Genetic research has found that they are hybrids of B. celebensis and B. togeanensis. A couple years ago there was still one individual in the EEP who seemed pure/nearly pure (celebenis I believe) but that was it for Europe.
Wow! Thank you for sharing this. I wasn't aware of that. When was the last time a pure B. tongeansis was around in Singapore?
Not sure, I only got to see the results from the study on the EEP-population. When looking at ZTL a significant amount was apparently also directly imported from Indonesia instead of from Singapore (which I presume is also the founder stock of Singapore, after all where-else would they have gotten their animals?) so the problem might actually lie at the source (mixing in Indonesian zoos).
That would certainly make sense. My question now might be how many different Indonesian zoos were these animals sourced from and which zoos?
Surabaya is apparently an important source, but some were also obtained from Jakarta.
The lacking of pure animals there would also be a logical explanation why they don't try to replace their animals like they did with Asiatic lions back in the day. Instead the decision was made to keep the EEP going as an educational and fundraising flagship for the wild populations.
Very interesting. Are there any captive babirusa populations in Indonesia where animals of any of the species are deliberately and diligently kept pure (perhaps at some specialized breeding center somewhere) or is it only traditional zoos in Indonesia working with babirusa?
Not that I know off. Otherwise that would also once again have been an opportunity for the EEP to obtain pure specimens and start over, so I doubt there is one.
In Indonesia there were 8 zoos keeping babirusa in 2013: https://www.asianwildcattle.org/upl...r_babirusa_conservation_2013-2022_english.pdf
It also mentions the presence of the nominate species in Europe, which is not the case showcasing how wrong studbooks were at the time.
I also pulled up the document I got up again, and the Singapore and Surabuya populations are both in there listed separately. Both show the pattern of hybrid swarms with possibly one pure celebensis in Surabuya.
Jambi
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Not a huge number, but the ones I have seen are:
- Visayan Warty Pig - at Edinburgh Zoo
- Red River Hog - at Chester Zoo and Edinburgh Zoo
- Babirusa - South Lakes Zoo used to keep them many many years ago, but now they're gone.
- White-lipped Peccary - at Dudley Zoo
- European Wild Boar - at Lake District Wildlife Park. It should be noted that the boars at this place aren't pure wild boars, they're mostly hybrids with Tamworth pigs.
For domestic pig breeds, the above mentioned Lake District Wildlife Park has Tamworth and Micro pigs, Dudley Zoo also has Micros, and I saw a Kune-Kune at Blackpool Zoo.
- Visayan Warty Pig - at Edinburgh Zoo
- Red River Hog - at Chester Zoo and Edinburgh Zoo
- Babirusa - South Lakes Zoo used to keep them many many years ago, but now they're gone.
- White-lipped Peccary - at Dudley Zoo
- European Wild Boar - at Lake District Wildlife Park. It should be noted that the boars at this place aren't pure wild boars, they're mostly hybrids with Tamworth pigs.
For domestic pig breeds, the above mentioned Lake District Wildlife Park has Tamworth and Micro pigs, Dudley Zoo also has Micros, and I saw a Kune-Kune at Blackpool Zoo.
A bit of a short list, but I’ll give it a go;
- Bornean Bearded Pig - Sus barbatus
- Common Warthog - Phacochoerus africanus
- Domestic Pig - Sus domesticus
- Northern Babirusa - Babirousa celebensis
- Red River Hog - Potamochoerus porcus
- Visayan Warty Pig - Sus cebifrons
@Giant Eland I will say when we were travelling through Cochise County, Arizona and southwestern New Mexico (primarily Hidalgo County), the subspecies of Collared peccary you would have seen was Dicotyles tajacu sonoriensis and you have probably seen and photographed other subspecies in Mexico, Central America and South America. Having been to Europe and seeing White-lipped peccary in European zoos, you have seen Southern White-lipped peccary (Tayassu pecari albirostris) and correct me if I am wrong, but I think it is safe to say that you have seen and photographed White-lipped peccary in Mexico, Central America and South which would have belonged to different subspecies depending on the region?
Marcus Burkhardt
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Thanks for starting this thread @UngulateNerd92
My list, but it may be more I am not aware of. Those with * were seen in the wild.
1. Sulawesi babirusa Babyrousa celebensis
2. Somali warthog Phacochoerus aethiopicus delamerei*
3. Central African warthog Phacochoerus africanus massaicus*
4. Northern warthog Phacochoerus africanus africanus
5. Red River hog Potamochoerus porcus
6. Negros warty pig (Visayan warty pig) Sus cebifrons negrinus
7. Iberian wild boar Sus scrofa castillianus
8. Central European wild boar Sus scrofa scrofa*
9. Domestic pig Sus scrofa f. domestica
My list, but it may be more I am not aware of. Those with * were seen in the wild.
1. Sulawesi babirusa Babyrousa celebensis
2. Somali warthog Phacochoerus aethiopicus delamerei*
3. Central African warthog Phacochoerus africanus massaicus*
4. Northern warthog Phacochoerus africanus africanus
5. Red River hog Potamochoerus porcus
6. Negros warty pig (Visayan warty pig) Sus cebifrons negrinus
7. Iberian wild boar Sus scrofa castillianus
8. Central European wild boar Sus scrofa scrofa*
9. Domestic pig Sus scrofa f. domestica