I would recommend enquiring with each facility directly - via calling/emailing.Apologies in advance for this question which will be popping up on several Kent-based threads:
Does Howletts allow monopods for photography?
I hate their move, like if they are at capacity, then just move some of the elephants? They have 2 male calves that could be moved to Noah’s ark and 2 more that in a few years could too, but if they still decide to move their elephants I think they’ll probably get alot less visitors and could potentially go out of business…Another summer is upon us and the Elephants still haven't departed. Is there any news on what is happening?
I hate their move, like if they are at capacity, then just move some of the elephants? They have 2 male calves that could be moved to Noah’s ark and 2 more that in a few years could too, but if they still decide to move their elephants I think they’ll probably get alot less visitors and could potentially go out of business…
They were definitely BIG and one very... interested... in one of the females across the fence. Lots of trumpeting and banging of trunks.
It was a LOT of elephant to take in.
To be fair they were sent an old pre-injured female Sumatran rhino to start with which was never going to breed!Howletts and Port Lympne have always specialised in BIG groups of many of the species they keep- as well as the Elephants, think Gorillas and Black Rhino, + some other primate and ungulate groups too. They seem to be able to allow continual breeding, being largely free of the constraints/recommendations imposed by EEP studbooks in other zoos, plus the initial groupings, lavish diet and/or additional space afforded to many of their species would encourage more successful breeding, without any other particular effort it seems, too. There used to be even more gorillas than there are nowadays, groups of a dozen or more with multiple babies were present in all 4 enclosures at Howletts- the current groups are tiny by comparison and I think they must have put a curb on breeding them.
They still have large groups of other endangered species of primate like Wanderoo, White-naped Mangabey and Drills(and still De Brazza?) which are bigger and more natural than the much smaller-numbered groups so often seen elsewhere. Though even they have their occassional failure e.g. breeding the Golden-bellied Managabeys never got off the ground and we all know the story of the Sumatran rhinos. But I sometimes think that any species that is failing in their European zoo populations, might do better if taken on Howletts, they (generally speaking) do make it look easy.
The downside is the uncertainty of what will happen next there!- will they suddenly try and repatriate something to the wild for example.
Oh yes, that certainly wasn't their fault as both females they received were not suitable to breed from. Just pointing out they don't succeed with everything, Asian elephants was another example.To be fair they were sent an old pre-injured female Sumatran rhino to start with which was never going to breed!
There used to be even more gorillas than there are nowadays, groups of a dozen or more with multiple babies were present in all 4 enclosures at Howletts- the current groups are tiny by comparison and I think they must have put a curb on breeding them.
Howletts and Port Lympne have always specialised in BIG groups of many of the species they keep- as well as the Elephants, think Gorillas and Black Rhino, + some other primate and ungulate groups too. They seem to be able to allow their groups to build to a greater size, largely free of the constraints/recommendations imposed by EEP studbooks in other zoos. Plus the initial groupings, lavish diet and/or additional space afforded to many of their species would encourage more successful breeding, without any other particular effort it seems, too. There used to be even more gorillas than there are nowadays, groups of a dozen or more with multiple babies were present in all 4 enclosures at Howletts- the current groups are tiny by comparison and I think they must have put a curb on breeding them.
They still have large groups of other endangered species of primate like Wanderoo, White-naped Mangabey and Drills(and still De Brazza?) which are bigger and more natural than the much smaller-numbered groups so often seen elsewhere. Though even they have their occassional failure e.g. breeding the Golden-bellied Managabeys never got off the ground and we all know the story of the Sumatran rhinos. But I sometimes think that any species that is failing in their European zoo populations, might do better if taken on Howletts, they (generally speaking) do make it look easy.
This is not a rose-tinted view of Howletts/PL, just a comment on their ability to produce and maintain large groups. One downside is the uncertainty of what will happen next there!- will they suddenly try and repatriate something to the wild for example.
How many Drills do they have?
….which was their strength. Mesh is great for climbing on, mesh roofs are good for hanging from…… Aspinall was breeding shedloads of gorilllas when most places thought they were doing well to keep the adults aliveI wasn't a great fan of the enclosures at Howletts for the gorillas. I guess they must do something right if they've bred so easily but they felt very... cage-like.
I wasn't a great fan of the enclosures at Howletts for the gorillas. I guess they must do something right if they've bred so easily but they felt very... cage-like.
….which was their strength. Mesh is great for climbing on, mesh roofs are good for hanging from…… Aspinall was breeding shedloads of gorilllas when most places thought they were doing well to keep the adults alive
They have the same cage-style of design at Port Lymne. Folllowing public complaints, they added the large outdoor areas as unlike at Howletts they had the space to do so. But outside of the scatter feeds the gorillas rarely use them, mainly they just stay empty throughout the day. Gorillas like cover over them.As I say, they must be doing something right, but it felt quite old-fashioned in comparison with enclosures in other places (arguably even some of them at Port Lympne). It seems strange to have absolutely no 'outdoor' space.
….which was their strength. Mesh is great for climbing on, mesh roofs are good for hanging from…… Aspinall was breeding shedloads of gorilllas when most places thought they were doing well to keep the adults alive