Human population growth vs. wildlife conservation

DavidBrown

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We don't frequently have substantial discussions about conservation issues on ZooChat except as relates to whether specific zoo exhibits have a conservation message.

That is fine as this website isn't called "ConservationChat", but one of the primary challenges that we face in keeping our favorite non-human species and ecosystems intact in the wild is creating a sustainable world in which we restrain our impulse/need to convert their habitats to human uses.

This article details the challenges facing India and its population boom. Can humans find a way to sustain our population boom, which will hopefully stabilize at 9 billionish people by 2050 AND keep our favorite species around in the wild? Can zoos find a way to help make this happen?

Amid population boom, India hopes for ‘demographic dividend’ but fears disaster - The Washington Post
 
One of the primary challenges that we face in keeping our favorite non-human species and ecosystems intact in the wild is creating a sustainable world in which we restrain our impulse/need to convert their habitats to human uses. Can humans find a way to sustain our population boom, which will hopefully stabilize at 9 billionish people by 2050 AND keep our favorite species around in the wild? Can zoos find a way to help make this happen?

I agree with David Attenborough on this one. We should be looking at reducing the world population, but most governments are not really bothered and don't understand Malthus. To keep populations stable, the number of people born needs to equal the number of people who die each year. Governments spend billions of pounds helping people have more children and keeping people alive as long as possible and then wonder why population goes up. The subject involves a lot of political issues and a lot of hypocrisy. For example, if people in India and China have fridges, it will cause global warming, but if people in Europe and North America were told to dispose of their fridges, there would be outrage. Also, people in the first world make money destroying natural habitats in the third world and then tell the third world nations to protect their own wildlife, even if the people are starving to death. If a dangerous animal kills someone in the first world, there is little concern if the animal is killed. If a dangerous animal kills someone in the third world (unless the person is a first world tourist), we should protect the animal. Many of us talk the talk, but are not prepared to make sacrifices of our own.

I'm afraid that zoos could do a lot more to save endangered species. I remember an estimate a few years ago that if half of the space occupied by zoos was used to save endangered species, 5,000 species of vertebrates could be saved from extinction. The number of species actually saved is pitifully poor, considering the number of species kept over the years. Zootierliste includes several species that have been kept in zoos and are now possibly extinct, often due to lack of interest.

I agree with the ISIS estimate that zoos only need to keep 80 individuals of a species, preferably with a varied gene pool, to save it. I get tired of reading about zoos 'having' to breed various species of large mammals that have captive populations of several hundred and which will never be returned to the wild, because there is insufficient habitat and/or the animals wouldn't be able to live naturally. I'm afraid many zoos are very dishonest about this. There seems to be a desire to have large zoo populations of every extant subspecies of tiger, while there are small cat species with no or very small captive populations. These small cats could be bred and released into the wild. I'm afraid that this is not the case for tigers. Many tigers live in areas with increasing human populations and money for new tiger enclosures would be better spent trying to conserve the remaining natural habitat for tigers and helping human populations live in harmony with nature, if possible. When zoos spend money on species that have high captive populations, this is not to aid conservation, it is to make money. Most people don't know that the Bornean bay cat exists and couldn't care less if it became extinct. If we're going to be totally honest, only a few people would show any interest if a zoo had a Bornean bay cat, but zoos shouldn't be afraid about keeping obscure animals. Zoos have saved various species of Partula snails, but how many people visit a zoo to see small snails? "I've got them in my garden, why should I pay £20 to see them in a zoo?" One of the best conservation programmes at London Zoo has been breeding field crickets and releasing them into the wild. This is true conservation, but gets little praise.

Zoos don't need to keep hundreds of individuals of large species, which are kept for monetary reasons, rather than conservation. They should change their policy to keep more populations of smaller species, which can be bred and released into the smaller areas of suitable habitat that will be available as the human population keeps on increasing. This month, it is estimated that there will be about 7,000 million people. I dread to think about how many species will become extinct in the next few decades, especially those that could have been saved if zoos had taken an interest in them.
 
Zoos don't need to keep hundreds of individuals of large species, which are kept for monetary reasons, rather than conservation. They should change their policy to keep more populations of smaller species, which can be bred and released into the smaller areas of suitable habitat that will be available as the human population keeps on increasing.

Zoos need to earn an income and to do that they need the animals people want to see. The conservation side of zoos is good and should be encouraged, but that is not their only purpose. If people want to see tigers it is not the zoos fault. To stay viable they need to have what the clients (visitors) want to see or they will go broke.
 
They should change their policy to keep more populations of smaller species, which can be bred and released into the smaller areas of suitable habitat that will be available as the human population keeps on increasing.

So zoos should help re-invent Nature to suit the growing human population?

Given your opening statement:
I agree with David Attenborough on this one. We should be looking at reducing the world population,
wouldn't the most important conservation effort by zoos (or anyone) focus on limiting human population growth?

Or do you see zoos as breeding facilities but not educational institutions?
 
Zoos need to earn an income and to do that they need the animals people want to see. The conservation side of zoos is good and should be encouraged, but that is not their only purpose. If people want to see tigers it is not the zoos fault. To stay viable they need to have what the clients (visitors) want to see or they will go broke.

I accept that zoos need to earn an income and that a zoo full of endangered but obscure species probably wouldn't be financially viable. I know a few people who enjoyed their visit to Sandwich, but I suspect there weren't many people who wanted to pay £10 to see a few small mammals.

I think the problem lies with publicity and education. I remember when the suricate meerkat was an obscure species of mongoose, but 'Meerkats United' turned them into one of the most popular zoo animals.

I understand that the tiger is one of the most popular zoo animals, but what I don't accept is the bandwagon that states that it doesn't matter how many species become extinct, as long as zoos have lots of tigers. Zoos have saved the tiger from extinction. Even if the tiger becomes extinct in the wild, which is quite a high possibility in the next few decades, there are enough captive tigers to prevent the species from becoming extinct. Zoos don't need to spend millions of pounds to build new enclosures and raise the captive tiger population. There are too many tigers in zoos, never mind the number in circuses or with private owners.

ISIS lists 449 'tigers', 464 Amur tigers (not including the 100,001 listed for Seoul), 60 North Indochinese tigers, 62 Malayan tigers, 255 Sumatran tigers and 381 Bengal tigers. Zoos have saved the tiger from extinction and all bar 2 subspecies satisfy the ISIS requirement for 80 individuals.

Unless a zoo has North Indochinese or Malayan tigers, it doesn't need to breed tigers for conservation and should be honest enough to say so. I would still prefer to see space made available to save smaller species from extinction, rather than breeding an animal that is already safe from extinction.
 
Originally Posted by Dassie rat
They should change their policy to keep more populations of smaller species, which can be bred and released into the smaller areas of suitable habitat that will be available as the human population keeps on increasing.
So zoos should help re-invent Nature to suit the growing human population? ?


I'm a bit confused about this one. Zoos are involved in various conservation programmes and have bred animals to be released into the wild. Is this re-inventing nature? If so, I agree with it. I also accept that the human population will continue to grow and that various large mammals will become extinct in the wild. I hope I'm wrong, but I can't really see large areas of natural habitat being kept intact in the next few decades. This will mean that there won't be enough space for viable populations of various large species, but there may be enough space for smaller species. As long as so many zoos spend millions on large species, rather than small species, I can see a time when many small species will be extinct, as there are none in the wild and none in captivity. I understand that a zoo full of small species won't attract many visitors. All I suggest is that zoos have a balance and cut down on the number of individuals of larger species (perhaps by ceasing breeding for a time) and stop spending money on species that already have over 80 individuals and replace them with species that are currently under-represented in zoos.


Given your opening statement:

wouldn't the most important conservation effort by zoos (or anyone) focus on limiting human population growth?

Or do you see zoos as breeding facilities but not educational institutions?

Zoos aren't going to limit human population growth. I remember when there was a fuss about wallabies being decapitated in order to help our knowledge of human fertility. Today, I was reading that there is a hope that IVF treatment will soon be 100% successful. Unless there is a massive change in our understanding of the planet, the world's population is going to keep rising (it will be about 7 billion next week) and natural habitats will keep being destroyed. It is happening now and it will continue, whatever you or I may say.

In the meantime, zoos should be doing more to save as many species as possible and educating visitors about how to save the planet. Unfortunately, this will probably fall on deaf ears.
 
It is a huge problem that limiting Human Population Growth is the message "that dare not speak its name."
Institutions are so terrified of the reaction they'll get that they will not talk about the issue. How can we give up on it when we haven't even attempted to get the conversation started?
It's much easier for a zoo to post signs about bile cages and rhino horns thousands of miles from where such things can be affected. Curbing human population growth hits a little close to home. Zoos cater to families and, frankly, more babies means more audience. So it is especially hard for them to make the case. But they must.
No conservation organization can be true to its mission if it will not address human population growth, IMO

Today's 30-somethings and older may object, but younger people might respond to the idea and could make different choices. Does everyone NEED or even really want to churn out more babies? And is adoption so unthinkable for many people that they absolutely MUST clone themselves to meet their parenting wish? These are tough issues and most people are very uncomfortable really thinking hard about them and about their own personal assumptions and prejudices, but the future of wildlife and of humanity requires that we discuss it anyway. But few are willing.

Try asking ZooChatters if they plan on having children (or more children as appropriate). See what response you get. (Now there's a topic for a poll!)
 
It is a huge problem that limiting Human Population Growth is the message "that dare not speak its name."
Institutions are so terrified of the reaction they'll get that they will not talk about the issue. How can we give up on it when we haven't even attempted to get the conversation started?

This is the ultimate challenge for zoos to become truly effective conservation organizations isn't it?

Has anybody ever encountered zoo interpretive signs or education programs that come anywhere near this subject?

Seeing as there are politicians that want to strip taxpayer money from any organization that is involved in population planning at the international level is there any possible way that public funded zoos (i.e., most of the zoos in North America at least) can take even the smallest steps in starting the population conservation?
 
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