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I think the lorikeets left the zoo because they got some kind of disease. If I'm wrong please correct me.

Almost...

The lorikeets left the outdoor walk-through aviary due to some brainworm issues. They then moved inside to an aviary near the komodos, but were shipped out later due to the GBR/mixed marsupial exhibit taking up the space.
 
Thanks Zoogoer2000. I knew the lorikeets had some kind of health problem, but I forgot what it was. I kind of remember them being close to the Komodo dragon.
 
Firstly I forgot to mention to Arcticwolf that Im very much looking forward to see what changes you will make in your master plan for the zoo. I have no doubt you will have some amazing ideas I will be kicking myself for not thinking up on my own. I have had my plans pretty much done since I started the thread but I've been posting them in chunks simply because its so massive (roughly 30 pages) that everyone would be reading for hours.

This next section will be a massive section of the zoo almost as much space as the savannah! I had a ton to do.

Continuing our journey around the world in Euraisa. I would like to shift things around to include Indo Malaya. With Australia nearby it just makes more sense to me to put the tropical animals closer to that and work towards the colder climate animals as you approach that north east corner of the zoo. Starting in the space used by the Australasian pavilion, the kangaroo yard and the panda plaza I would build a much bigger and better Indo Malayan pavilion. To welcome you I would have a pair of orangutans swinging from trees holding a sign. Again PHOTO OP.

Outside the building I would place the statue of Dinding at the edge of a beautiful garden as a way to play tribute to the zoos past. I would also build a second statue for Kartiko and place his memorial plaque nearby. Those are meaningful things that should remain. And as the longest living member of our orangutan clan a third statue will be build to honour Puppe.

Obviously the key animal exhibit here would be a fantastic natural looking orangutan habitat with indoor and outdoor facilities. It would be a thing of beauty. Inside there would be ground and higher up viewing. I really like that they can come right up to the glass to fool around now so why not keep that up. The group could go outside for the first time in their lives! Trees, grass, flowers, all kinds of things to see and explore. I would also continue the I Pad experiment and let them video chat with other orangutans. I’d probably let the gorillas and chimps get involved with that as well. If large touch screen computers will work better for them then I would get them those instead.

Joining them in this amazing new world would be the gibbons. They would have their own indoor exhibit but rotate outside in the orangs enclosure. If I could have two or three species of gibbon co-mingle that would be fantastic, but probably unrealistic.

I’d like a great Asian small clawed otter exhibit with underwater viewing. Next door there would be a gharial exhibit also with underwater viewing.

And a good sized komodo dragon exhibit that had glass at ground level so you can see it better from other angles. I’m not opposed to stairs around back that would let you see it still from above because seeing their trails is also pretty cool. And to be friendly to guests with physical disabilities and parents with small children an elevator could be installed or ramps but an elevator will take less space.

Also inhabiting the building would be clouded leopards, binturongs, Pangolin, Rhinoceros Hornbills, Great Indian Hornbill, wrinkled hornbill, Micronesians Kingfishers, Eurasian hoopoe, Burmese pythons, Indian star tortoise, Malayan box turtle, Asian leaf turtle, any cool geckos, and assorted fish.

There would be a nice butterfly aviary combined with whatever birds won’t eat them. Everything should be mixed and matched in exhibits where possible.

In outdoor yards I would have another central building with separate yards for several animals. Malayan tapirs paired with muntjacs would have one space. Another would be taken up by an Indian rhino pair. An a third would be for the babirusas to be combined with the tapirs if possible. Rotating between the outdoor yards and the central barn would be a key feature. In the barn I think I’d have two much bigger indoor spaces than they currently have.

Also outside would be yards for Sumatran and Malayan tigers. I think I would have their yards close to the pavilion so they could share services. Two exhibits would be out front with two privacy exhibits in the back for mothers with tiny cubs to enjoy until the babies are ready for the main exhibits. The tigers too would rotate exhibits, though for mothers with cubs they would stay put until the cubs are older.

There would also be a grouping of yards for sun bears and sloth bears. They would have a similar set up to the tigers. I really like sun bears. And if Im going to house all of the species of bear then I better get the sloth bears too.

It is in this tropical Asian section that I would place something similar to the gorilla ropes course. Would leave it to experts to design but the experience should make you feel as if your traveling through the trees. And I don’t want boring wooden posts. They will be designed to look like trees in every way possible.

As I shift away from the rainforest areas of Asia I would rotate into colder climate animals of Asia and Europe (probably not much from here). None of these animals except the pandas should need (and the pandas don’t really other than for constant shifting purposes to restock food but keep them visible) have indoor viewing. Oh for cold weather animals and their furry coats. Since I’ve taken all the space from Australasia and the panda exhibit I will place the next cluster of animals into the area the camels ect currently inhabit. This will be my new panda home.

I’ll start off with the key animal the pandas. I’ll keep Er Shun and Da Mao for as long as possible, unless they prove to be non breeders. If I’m going to the expense to keep and feed them they better give me the attendance boom of cubs. Their new home would be much more befitting their status as one of the zoos star attractions. They would get the Bactrian camels’ space plus more space to the side that isn’t used right now. Outside would be 3 large yards, one tucked in the back for privacy.

A main building would take the old barn and jut out into the panda plaza which would take up most of the old chamois exhibit. Their barn would also be home to the panda interpretive center. I don’t want a separate interpretative center. This would be where people line up to see the pandas and the line up will zig zag in narrow aisles much like the bamboo forest part just before you leave the center now. This way there are strict controls of movement and stupid line cutters. Yes you will be packed in like sardines but there will be other massive draws throughout the zoo to draw guests in and level out the lines ultimately. But to remove the sense of tightness there will be a big glass skylights, lots of emergency exits and I feel like the walls should have huge glass windows. The pandas would be sealed off from this area to prevent noise disturbance.

Passing through a big door guarded by staff guests could view the pandas for the first time by entering into their night suites area. I wouldn’t go on the cheap here. I would want fake rocks on the wall, plant real plants, have a real artist in to paint sky (or big glass, nearly floor to ceiling windows), natural looking flooring, ect. When you walk in it should look as much like you walking into their habitat as possible. Then you could go to their outdoor habitats which again would look more natural. I like the exhibits I can see on San Diego Zoo’s panda cam, only I aim to go bigger. And that adds another point. The pandas must... Must... MUST have a panda cam. And all baby pandas will be named through a naming contest.

Now I should fill out the rest of this area shouldn’t I. The pandas will be separated from the rest of this zone by bamboo fencing and bushes. When you exit the panda exhibit you would walk into panda plaza. Here would be a gift shop, photo experience (much like the current one where you can be put into photos with animals but cheaper), a restaurant offering a mix of Chinese and American food and gardens.

Taking up whatever remains of this space would be an aviary for golden pheasants and any other bird they will get along with.

In the Barbary sheep exhibit will be golden snub nosed monkeys. They probably don’t need all that space so I’d create a second exhibit for the red pandas. I think this would give each species lots of space and the ability to barn share.

In the tur exhibit I would put a new pack of dholes and Amur leopards. They could also barn share and rotate exhibits for stimulation. Given the low numbers of both species in North America I might have to reconsider the animal we place there. Possibly if a cluster of small mammal exhibits or build flight pens for birds like Eurasian Eagle Owls.

Where the second reindeer yard is I would build a mountain animal enclosure takin and anything else that can be housed with them (maybe the himilayan tarh) or alone if necessary.

The snow leopard and sea eagle exhibit can keep its place. Not knowing what it looks like (probably done on the cheap like the pandas) I can’t tell if there’s the space I’d want. If I need more it can be pinched from the red pandas space since it would be empty.

Across from the current red panda exhibit in the space behind the current panda exhibit and the interpretive center would be an Amur tiger complex with two exhibit yards and an off exhibit yard for young cubs and sub adults waiting for new homes.

A shared barn for Japanese macaque and Lion tailed Macaques would be located in the red pandas space extending towards the stream and back. Each would have its own outdoor exhibit but because the Japanese Macaques love winter there would only be a smaller indoor yard for the Lion Tails. I’d like to have some real trees in their yards for them to enjoy as well as the exhibit decor stuff. The trees would be in the middle to provide shade and stimulation but never pose a risk for escape.

Swinging across the river we would have hoof stock. In the old dromedary yard a new Bactrian camel ride would go in plus a good barn for them. The path would be moved to be as close to the river as possible. The Bactrian exhibit would swing into the yak yard. I’d like to see if the yaks and Bactrians can get along.

Beside them would be the Przewalski’s Horse and Blackbuck.

Next to them would be a mountain exhibit featuring tur, Barbary sheep and European mouflon if possible as we become less Asian and more Eurasian. Currently all of these are on phase out. This means they will need to be replaced in the future so Tadjik Markhor and Armenian mouflon.

All of these exhibits will be on the zoomobiles drive through tour. By the time you hit that back corner of the zoo where the Przewalski’s barn currently sits you would hit the end of this section.
 
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Next up on my tour around the world would be a relocated Tundra Trek. It would take over one of the Przewalski’s horses yards, the apes, dholes, snow leopard exhibits and whatever is in the long exhibit next to the health center. Why move Tundra Trek there you ask? Good question. I want it tucked in between Eurasia and the new Canadian Wilderness because the tundra spans Europe, Asia and Canada. It’s a nice transition zone.

The sign would be a giant chunk of ice (Plexiglas) with Tundra Trek etched in it being held up by a pair of huge polar bears. Yes photo op time.

All of the animals kept in this zone would not have indoor viewing available because they can take cold winters and will likely be the focus of peoples winter visits.

First up because I want to continue the drive through would be the reindeer or caribou. I would prefer caribou but there is a certain appeal to having reindeer around Christmas. I would also like some of them to be trained for educational purposes so they could be walked around the zoo much like the alpacas now. I would also like to add Muskox back in. I know they are to be phased out but we don’t need them to breed. We could just collect some form the wild and breed them only to keep the herd size reasonable and when we run the risk of inbreeding look at semen collection from wild animals to keep the herd going.

Mixed in with the caribou and muskox, I would also have a small pond up close to visitor paths for snow geese. If they need to be physically separated from the caribou and muskox then I would like it to be a rock feature that separates them but makes it look completely natural.

I would also love to be able to include rock ptarmigans but I don’t know if I’m risking them flying off or being preyed upon by native birds of prey. If they can live in the open field exhibit with the caribou and muskox then great. If not they can have their own fenced in exhibit tucked in nearby.

There would be a big arctic wolf exhibit which would barn share with Arctic foxes and wolverines. The wolves would need to get a nice exhibit that’s less hilly. The foxes and wolverines will rotate exhibits to give them stimulation. I would include the wolves depending on how big the pack is and their space demands. Each exhibit would have elements needed to make everyone happy. Climbing structures for the wolverines, tunnels for the fox and well I don’t know what the wolves will need.

Tucked in with the predators there would be small exhibits for ermine, arctic hares, snowshoe rabbits and lemmings. I don’t care that they aren’t endangered and not really supported by the AZA. They are cute little lively additions to what could be a very barren space. And I don’t mind keeping single sexed groups to avoid breeding until I need to replace some animals.

Across from them would be the most amazing polar bear and walrus complex. The polar bears would have two pools so if cubs arrived we would have space for everyone to be outside and still have the ability to swim to their hearts content. It would also have space for hand rearing either zoo born cubs or rescued cubs. And I would bring in snow for a couple of days in the summer just to change things up for my bears. This is another definite keeper talk exhibit.

And to their side would be a walrus exhibit housing a male, several females and calves. They would have a massive pool for display and a good sized one for off exhibit time. Breeding would be nice but not key. There would be no walrus shows but a keeper talk would be featured at a different time from the polar bears.

In both animals exhibits I would like to see something that replicates icebergs for them to float on. Trying to get up would be good exercise for them and if it can be free floating something to push around and play with. Under their pools there would be a big glass walkthrough tunnel so they can swim all around guests. This probably means I need much bigger pools but it will be worth it.

Now i could include more seals here but given that I have the oceans pavilion I don’t feel obligated. Surplus animals could be added to the walruses if they will do well together.

Finishing off this area would be a bird of prey exhibit. Here you would find exhibits for gyrfalcons, snowy owls (one they could fly in), great grey owls and peregrine falcons.

In this area I think would add an ice rink made up of that fake ice stuff. I don’t know a lot about it but if you could slide around on your socks that would be best. You could slip and slide on your socks much like you skate. I know in the summer lots of people will be wearing flip flops but they can bring socks and put them on or buy socks from the zoo. An alternative would be to rent out the sliders curlers use but I think this would be far more work for us this way. I’d avoid skates because who wants to carry skates around the zoo in summer. However in the winter we could pull the fake ice out and flood a rink. Real skating could take place with lockers for rent to store skates and helmets. I think the rental would be just a refundable fee to make sure I get my locks all back. A nice rink would help to pull people in during the winter. Also during the winter I would be willing to rent out snowshoes in this area. They can take them all over the zoo and return them at any gift shop.
 
AFRICAN PAVILION

I decided to start of my new zoo plan with the African Rainforest Pavilion which will change its name to the African Pavilion. The new African Pavilion would be divided into wetland, rainforest, and desert sections. The path outside the pavilion would be rearranged to allow the outdoor red river hog exhibit to be greatly expanded. This new exhibit would house the zoo’s common hippos. It would include a massive pool and a good sized land section. Inside the pavilion, the softshell turtle, red river hog, pygmy hippo, and ibis exhibits would be combined to form a giant indoor common hippo exhibit. The area that is in between the pygmy hippo and ibis exhibits would become an underwater viewing area with long glass windows to watch the hippos swim. The lemur exhibit would become a mixed species exhibit for Allen’s swamp monkeys and spotted necked otters. A pool with underwater viewing would be added to the exhibit. The outdoor crowned crane exhibit would stay the same but the cranes would be replaced with shoebill storks. The area next to the current softshell turtle exhibit (that has a bird exhibit that the public can’t view), would become a Nile crocodile exhibit that would also include underwater viewing. All of the reptile exhibits in this section would become home to wetland species such as nile monitors, turtles, rock pythons, and more. Free flying around the wetlands section would be bird species including sacred ibises, hammerkops, kingfishers, and ducks. The meerkat exhibit and surrounding area would become a lesser flamingo exhibit. Red river hogs would move into the wattled crane exhibit and across from them would be a new outdoor exhibit for the flamingos. The cichlid and other fish aquariums around this section of the pavilion would stay the same but have more species added to them.

The rest of the pavilion would stay as a rainforest section. The main indoor gorilla exhibit would stay the same but the smaller indoor exhibit would be renovated to look more natural. Monkey species (diana and one other kind) would share the exhibits with the gorillas. The water would be drained from the dwarf crocodile exhibit and it would be home to Congo peafowl and grey parrots. Rainforest bird species such as turacos and barbets would fly freely around this part of the building. Dwarf crocodiles would live in the old spotted necked otter exhibit with some renovations. Other reptile species such as gaboon vipers and chameleons would live in the rainforest section too. Outside, the gorilla exhibit would be renovated to look more natural with viewing through large windows and across a moat. In the area currently occupied by the gorilla ropes course, an okapi exhibit would be created.

The current burrows and caves area would be expanded under the hippo exhibit to become an African deserts area. All of the exhibits here would be mostly the same with lots of sand and rocks to make it look like a desert. In this section there would be meerkats as the star attraction. Their exhibit would include pop-up bubbles so kids could get up close and personal with the meerkats. Other exhibits would be home to crested porcupines, rock hyraxes and fennec foxes. There would also be a naked mole rat exhibit built into the wall that would look like the one at Disney’s Animal Kingdom. Birds such as hoopoes would fly around the building. This section would also contain reptile and invertebrate exhibits for species such as uromastyx lizards, egyptian cobras, horned vipers, tortoises, and scorpions
 
I like how your mixing things up in the existing space and still finding ways to add species. Shoebills would be awesome to get. They look like they shouldnt be able to hold their heads up at all. But what will happen to the animals you move out. Does that mean no pygmy hippos?

Your right that the gorillas little day room needs to get a serious revamp. Its the biggest eye sour in the building.

Adding Okapi is great too.

It would be alwsome to get more space under the pavilion for desert species.

Great start. Im looking forward to seeing more. I like how your working with buildings and repurposing the space with different tweeks. Your honoring the history of the zoo far more than I have with my bulldoze the place approach.
 
Thanks for the compliments TZFan. I'm glad you like my ideas.

Most of the species that I had to move out actually stayed at the zoo. I have another idea where I could place the pygmy hippos since there isn't enough room for them in the actual pavilion. The only species I don't plan on keeping on exhibit is the softshell turtle.
 
Your welcome for the deserved compliments. Im glad you wouldnt get rid of my beloved pygmy hippos. Now you have my interest peaked. Where will the hippos go? and the Lemurs? This could be interesting. I'll patiently wait until you get around to them.
 
Madagascar

The area behind the African Restaurant including the penguin exhibit would become a Madagascar area. Outside there would be a walkthrough exhibit home to ring tailed and red ruffed lemurs. There would also be an exhibit for Coquerel’s sifaka with lots of room for them to jump and climb around. In this area there would be a Madagascar building with indoor exhibits for the lemurs along with habitats for small animals such as chameleons, tortoises, snakes, tomato frogs, mantellas, hissing cockroaches, and more. The current penguin exhibit and surrounding area would be dedicated to Madagascar’s extinct animal species. The penguin exhibit would be renovated for the pygmy hippos which would be used to represent the extinct Malagasy hippo. Another exhibit would be home to Aldabra giant tortoises which would represent Madagascar giant tortoises. Also in the extinct species section there would be a life sized elephant bird statue and a model of an elephant bird egg. There would be plenty of signs in this area educating people about extinct species and how we can protect Madagascar’s wildlife so they don’t become extinct too.
 
Interesting take on a madagascar area. Its the perfect place for a new pavilion. The zoo should have built a walkthrough lemur exhibit when it built the lemurs exhibit in the first place. Nothing makes people feel more connected to animals than getting to be up close and personal with them.

I like the connection with the extinct animals. And reusing the penguin pool for pygmy hippos is a stroke of brilliance. I wouldnt have ever thought of it in a million years. It would be the perfect sized pool. It already has underwater viewing. Shades could be added to provide them with cover since they are a forest dweller. The winter home could be expanded and the pool deepened. Vegetation could be planted. It would be a huge space improvement for them.

You know now that you mention it i think I would like to add elephant bird statues and eggs to the outside of my madagascar pavilion. Maybe some other cool species too in a kind of extinction courtyard. Some would have died out naturally others because of man. Everything would have signage explaining the animal and why its gone extinct and what might have been done differently to save it. Thats a great idea Arcticwolf. Awesome.

Cant wait for more.
 
African Savanna

Even though the African Savanna is one of the best regions of the zoo, I would still make quite a few changes to it. The elephants would move either to another zoo or PAWS and the white rhinos would move to their old exhibit. It would be divided into two halves, one for the boys and one for the girls. The warthog exhibit would stay as it is. The old hippo exhibit would be demolished and exhibits for caracals, vultures, and weaver birds would take its place. The kudu, old white rhino, zebra, and sable antelope exhibits would be combined to form a giant mixed species exhibit. It would be home to giraffes, zebras, wildebeest, elands, gazelles, kudus, ostriches, pelicans, storks, and more! A feeding station for the giraffes would be added along with a safari jeep ride going through the exhibit. The cheetah exhibit would stay as it is. African wild dogs would replace the baboons. The lion exhibit would be combined with the ostrich exhibit which would allow the zoo to have a large pride of lions instead of only two or three. The hyena exhibit would stay the same. Finally cape buffalos would live in the old giraffe exhibit.
 
I love, absolutely love the idea of expanding the lion exhibit into the ostrich exhibit. Brilliant. I hate their current exhibit. Its too hilly with no real reason for it. I'd love them to get that big flat space and for their to be an impressive pride with two stunning males and a maybe 4 females plus varying ages of cubs. Let say one breed at a time and let her breed every 4 years so there are small cubs all the time but older ones as well. It might help the female cubs better learn how to be mothers if they can practice on their half siblings/cousins. Thats a fantastic idea. Heck even just moving them into the ostrich exhibit plus the spare warthog yard (or former male zebra holding if you like), would give them a sizable space increase.

Wild dogs replacing the baboons isnt too bad. Baboons are fun to watch but I really want wild dogs. They are on the top of my I want at the zoo list and have been since I was very small. I could easily be convinced to make that trade if I were keeping buildings the same.

Im sort of surprised you didnt take some of the wasted space in the african section for more exhibits. Theres all that space behind the ostrich and baboon exhibits, even if you left a chunk of it for picnics. And the space behind the hyenas and Twiga gift shop. And the massive space to the north of the twiga gift shop which is mowed but not used for anything! The space at the back of the savannah and even more behind the elephants. So much space but you didnt take over any of it for even more species. I think my plans would have taken over most of it leaving less picinic space or ground being largely unused.
 
I know I've said this already but thank you so much for the compliments.

I also really wanted to get wild dogs which is why I replaced the baboons with them. Also olive baboons are on the phase out list.

I know all about the extra space behind the savanna and I have plans for it too! My African area is already very big so that unused space will be for something completely different. I have two ideas right now and I'm trying to decide which would go better in that area.
 
I was deciding between making a new Arctic or a European area behind the Savanna. I have decided to make it an Arctic area and put the European section in another part of the zoo. You can expect my plans for this exhibit area to be up tonight or tomorrow.
 
Oh Im interested to hear about your ideas for both sections. I can make guesses about the arctic but a European only section sounds very interestsing. I personally couldnt come up with much for a European section so I gave up and stuck with Eurasia. Should be interesting to find out what you have come up with when you reach that point in the zoo.
 
Arctic

The area behind the African Savanna would be transformed into a new Arctic exhibit. A new Arctic themed water park for children would be created in the field behind the Twiga gift shop. This would be the beginning of the Arctic exhibit. Following the water park would be four exhibits for small carnivores. Two tall aviaries would house snowy owls and peregrine falcons. Arctic foxes and wolverines would live in the other two exhibits. Their exhibits would look just like the tundra with grass, rocks, and small trees. The two species would be allowed to rotate between the exhibits. After the small carnivores would be a large carnivore exhibit home to a breeding pack of arctic wolves. The wolf exhibit would look similar to the other carnivore exhibits, but on a much larger scale. A glass viewing window would allow for up close encounters with the wolves. The wolf exhibit would overlook another large exhibit home to caribou and musk oxen. A small exhibit for Arctic ground squirrels would be next to the musk ox and caribou exhibit. The final part of the Arctic area would be home to ocean species. Polar bears would have two exhibits that would look like the ones they’re currently in but on a much larger scale and with more natural looking rocks. Across from the polar bear exhibits would be a ringed seal exhibit with a massive pool. In between the two exhibits there would be a long underwater viewing tunnel with the polar bears on one side and the seals on the other. Finally there would be a small Arctic research station that would also include an aquarium for Arctic Ocean species such as cod, sea cucumbers, sea stars, and anemones.
 
Very interesting. We picked many of the same species for our tundras. I too considered ground squirrels and ringed seals. Ultimately though ground squirrels got dropped for no sound reason just did. But the ringed seals I just couldnt pass up walruses. They are my number two species behind the wild dogs I want to see at the zoo. I didnt figure in the space I allowed i could get both. Im interested in why you went the direction you did?

I love the idea of a glass viewing area where the wolves can come right up to you. Wish I had thought of that one. It would offer a much more up close and personal feel. And having the wolves over look their natural prey is pretty cool too.

Also second question. Why ultimately did you decide to put the arctic animals beside african savannah animals? I know theres definitely the room for it there but geographically it doesnt make as much sense. I know I'm nuts but inner complusive need for organization cant help itself.
 
When you asked me about the direction I went in, I'm assuming you meant about the walruses. I don't really know why I chose seals over walruses. I guess I just really miss seals being at the zoo and I wanted them back.

Even though the Arctic area is next to the savanna area, it will also be connected to the North American area so it at least makes a little sense. The reason why I decided to put Arctic animals there is because I had nowhere else to put them. That space would have been way too large for my European area and I wanted to connect my European area with my Asian area in case I can't think of enough animals and decide to make it Eurasia. At first I didn't like the idea of Arctic animals next to African animals but since I couldn't think of anywhere better to put them, I just gave up. Anyways the only people who really care about how zoos are laid out are the small amount of zoo nerds like us. ;)
 
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