India's Lion population up 27%

Oh, I agree with you 100%. I think it's incredibly toxic and detrimental to everyone - the lions of Gir themselves, the ecosystem which is dealing with a lion surplus, the cattle herders outside the park who are facing livestock predation, and of course the species and world as a whole.

But the economic argument still stands. I'm not saying that I agree with it (I absolutely don't), I'm just saying this influences the thinking of policy-makers in Gujarat. It doesn't matter how many folks abroad have heard of the Gir lions; they're not interested in foreign tourists. It's 100% about the domestic Indian market. We're a huge country of 1.3 billion people, so even though most of the population is too poor to go on safari, even the 1% in India is 10 million people. Most of our wildlife tourism industry (tigers, rhinos, lions, you name it) is driven by DOMESTIC demand, and a glance at either the entry statistics or anecdotal eyewitness accounts from the parks will confirm that. International tourists will always prefer Africa for a lion safari, but Indians from all states and regions of India travel to Gujarat to see the only wild ones in our country.

Check out this graph of domestic vs. foreign tourists to Gir: https://forests.gujarat.gov.in/gir-nat-park.htm. Almost 400,000 Indian tourists in 2011-2012. In 2016, over 150,000 had visited within the first six months; in 2018, there were 75,000 in ONE WEEK on Diwali holidays (our equivalent of Thanksgiving break in the US).

Gujarat recognizes this - the lions are all over their tourism promotional materials. I had to travel to Ahmedabad (the capital of Gujarat) recently, and the airport has a huge, life-size model of a forest in Gir with lion statues. And I am sure that the economic calculation factors into their apparently just jingoistic reluctance to part with wild lions. Consider also the fact that Madhya Pradesh - the state that is poised to receive the lions and build the second wild population - currently has the "lion's share" of wildlife tourism revenue and potential, as it has 5-7 of the best tiger reserves in the country. Gujarat fears that lions on the existing "tiger circuit" will grow to eclipse theirs as a tourist trap, even though it's unlikely that the new park will have lion populations that are nearly as successful and visible as Gir's.

Again, I'm 100% in agreement with you, as my earlier posts here also indicate. I wish they would relocate the lions and use the new tourism revenue to protect India's fragile and neglected scrub and grassland ecosystems (with their striped hyenas, sloth bears, great Indian bustards, various critically endangered vultures, etc.) under the flagship banner of Lion Conservation. I also wish that Gujarat would divert their attention towards developing some of the other potential wildlife tourism attractions - for example, Velavadar in Gujarat has the world's largest herds of blackbuck, very visible wolves and striped hyenas, and one of the largest harrier roosts. Rann of Kutch has onagers and flamingoes. Gir will continue to be the best bet for lions, and there are several strong locations for leopard tourism as is now booming in the neighboring state of Rajasthan.

But I'm just saying - there is an economic layer to the toxicity as well. And I don't think Gujarat currently considers the international back-patting/appreciation/support for making the right move scientifically as better than the local revenue generated by their monopolization of lions. If we want their minds to change, we have to influence that calculus.

Very interesting take on the political situation regarding the Gir Lions. I visited there many years ago and know that there has been talk of relocation going back fifty years or even more, but it never happens. Now I'm beginning to understand why.

Having visited several other wildlife reserves in India I can agree with what you say about the domestic tourism market too. International tourists are an extreme minority, particularly somewhere like the Gir Forest.
 
Thanks Mbwamwitu,

It seems for me a bad reasoning. Tourists come for closeness to their home, vistas, ease of viewing and facilities. It is like thinking that because Tigers are in many reserves, then any Tiger reserve competes for tourist revenue with all other Tiger reserves. Of course, not.

Gir could ask tourists, where they come from and why their come. They could also ask how many would go to an alternative place if Lions were present elsewhere. Probably most tourists to Gir are from inside Gujarat and come anyway because of convenience and general wildlife.
 
Wild population is doing well and also the captive Indian population is doing well :

Gujarat: Over 100 Asiatic lions live in zoo cages in and around Gir areas! | Ahmedabad News - Times of India
I never know what to make of newspaper articles in India high on claims, but low on actual science-evidence based data from the field and how these where obtained or the source publications and reports one can read for reference sake. Newspapers like the Guardian and some others do do this.

The number of 674 Asiatic lions itself is a good number, but without data on dispersal, total area of occupancy, high / low population numbers in different areas ... it does not tell us a great deal.

For the captive population: I can vouch that actually the lions in Sakkarbaug Zoo at 85 is an insane number. Only very few individual lions actually contribute to the breeding population. I am not even sure if they look at individual genetics or not. The numbers held in my view are absolutely unsustainable and I am not even talking of animal welfare or husbandry standards. More often than not the Forestry Service (of which the zoos are part and every bloody 4-5 years senior staff get sent off to a field job and another inexperienced gets to be director ...) misuses their zoo facilities to hold surplus confiscated stock or "problem" animals or those which have been persecuted by humans and end up in a zoo.

This issue with overpopulation in one zoo underlines the bigger issue which the State of Gujarat has made into a toxic subject for all India. For conservation and sustainable population development it is important that Asiatic lion are extant in various Indian (former) range states and till date the Gujarat Govt. and State Court have prevented any reintroduction programs elsewhere from going forward. This is all the more deplorable as the habitat available in Gir and surrounding Peninsula is finite and Gujarat is also a very populous state with little room for expansion. This needs to be resolved across individual State borders. The actual Indian Federal Govt. has stepped in, but never been able to force hands as much in India is done top-down, very politicised and down the line staff and people are afraid nor able to take decisions on their own.

Just a short perspective on what is very troubling about wildlife and habitat conservation in India: decisions leave ... decades to go into action mode. This affects Asiatic lions as much as Project Tiger or Project Rhino and many other species of conservation importance besides.
 
With the over population of lions in Indian zoos makes one wonder why London zoo was only sent the one pair instead of the two pairs as expected for the new then Land of the Lions exhibit;)
 
With the over population of lions in Indian zoos makes one wonder why London zoo was only sent the one pair instead of the two pairs as expected for the new then Land of the Lions exhibit;)
This question is relevant for almost all recent imports. Often lions imported were older animals unable to reproduce or with prior health issues. I do wonder what kind of vet screening has gone on in Indian zoos prior to export.

I must look at the number of recent exports and how, if any, have actually contributed to the Asiatic lion EEP genetically. I do think the actual data will show that it has been - sadly - extremely limited. I am open to others to prove differently on the basis of the evidence. Rest assured I will look into it myself (when time permits).
 
This question is relevant for almost all recent imports. Often lions imported were older animals unable to reproduce or with prior health issues. I do wonder what kind of vet screening has gone on in Indian zoos prior to export.

I must look at the number of recent exports and how, if any, have actually contributed to the Asiatic lion EEP genetically. I do think the actual data will show that it has been - sadly - extremely limited. I am open to others to prove differently on the basis of the evidence. Rest assured I will look into it myself (when time permits).
As far as I am aware only one european zoo in resent times has managed to obtain 4 only Indian lion imports, I am unaware as to what happened after that breeding wise!
 
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