Is is a chimpanzee or bonobo?

Actually, taking a closer look at those two photos, I'm not entirely convinced they are of the same animal.

That is not impossible.
Actually I think there are two problems here. The first is obvious - those clothes conceal so much of the body and limbs. The second problem is that the second photo is taken from some distance above the animal's head and this angle foreshortens the parts of the limbs that are visible, particularly if it is leaning slightly forward: this effect may be exaggerated further as it has fairly dense hair which seems to be held erect because it is either cold or excited in some way.
Applying Occam's Razor, I think the simplest hypothesis is that it is a bonobo - but I cannot be certain.

Alan
 
Im going with a common chimp baby that looks like a bonobo. If it is a pure bonobo, im amazed that there are some in China due to the rarity of the species.

There is a lot of illegal trafficking that goes on so it's very likely there are bonobos everywhere who aren't officially recorded.
 
Hmm. Did you check out the page where this author argues that gorillas are crosses between chimpanzees and giant forest hogs? :p
no, I did not.

DDcorvus said:
And the claim that they made a strong case for the chimpanzee x pig hybrid origin of Homo sapiens.
nope.


The page I linked to had reference to reports of chimp X bonobo hybrids with genuine scientific articles to back them up (e.g. Vervaecke, H., Van Elsacker, L. (1992). Hybrids between common chimpanzees (Pan troglodytes) and pygmy chimpanzees (Pan paniscus) in captivity. Mammalia, 56 (4), 667-669).

Other claims on the site are not my concern :p
 
The usual suspects in the chatroom have discussed this animal, and it has been noted that in the 1990's Twycross Zoo had a hand-reared common chimpanzee - a hybrid of nominate and schweinfurthii - which looked very much like this individual when young.
 
...and while you guys were discussing that, I was reading about humans being chimp X pig hybrids :p

For anyone who wants to read, it is an eight page discussion, starting here - Human origins: Are we hybrids? - and basically (so to speak) he is saying that a male pig (specifically Sus scrofa) mated with a female chimpanzee and then the resulting offspring bred back into the chimp population. For his argument he decides that several million years ago, chimps were found much further north and S. scrofa much further south (and that also both species actually existed several million years ago....). To combat the objection that his comparisons rely heavily on the characteristics of domestic pigs, he says at one point that perhaps there was a wild hairless pig which was domesticated by humans later, and that they aren't actually derived from wild S. scrofa at all (he doesn't seem phased by his own contradictions). This isn't all however. He also goes on to argue (page seven) that gorillas are a more recent hybrid between chimp X giant forest hog but cleverly skirts around the obvious contradiction by saying that characteristics shown by a chimp X domestic pig wouldn't necessarily be shown by a chimp X different kind of pig! And then he posits that the common chimp (i.e. Pan troglodytes) is really the result of the "original" chimp (i.e. the bonobo Pan paniscus) hybridising with the chimp X giant forest hog hybrid (i.e. the gorilla). So in fact, common chimps, gorillas, and humans are all hybrids and the only pure species is the bonobo.

Lots of other "interesting" stuff in there too, like a human X chicken hybrid. Yes, you read that correctly.
If the Hühnermensch actually is a bird-mammal hybrid, then at this distance in time, one can only speculate about what might have happened back in Taucha all those many years ago. Did a rooster wander into a rustic bedroom and sit for a time on the lap of his naked mistress? Perhaps Johanna Sophia Schmied was a member of a coven that engaged in dark orgiastic rites that resulted in a weird creature seeing the light of day? Or possibly one day while gathering eggs she had her hands full and placed some rooster-semen-coated eggs in her underpants to carry them back to the house? Whatever happened, it seems the Hühnermensch took flight from there.

Many many instances of deformed babies (animal and human) being uncritically passed off as hybrids between two randomly-picked species.

There are also a lot of genuine hybrids discussed but man there's a lot of idiocy on there.
 
...and while you guys were discussing that, I was reading about humans being chimp X pig hybrids :p

For anyone who wants to read, it is an eight page discussion, starting here - Human origins: Are we hybrids? - and basically (so to speak) he is saying that a male pig (specifically Sus scrofa) mated with a female chimpanzee and then the resulting offspring bred back into the chimp population. For his argument he decides that several million years ago, chimps were found much further north and S. scrofa much further south (and that also both species actually existed several million years ago....). To combat the objection that his comparisons rely heavily on the characteristics of domestic pigs, he says at one point that perhaps there was a wild hairless pig which was domesticated by humans later, and that they aren't actually derived from wild S. scrofa at all (he doesn't seem phased by his own contradictions). This isn't all however. He also goes on to argue (page seven) that gorillas are a more recent hybrid between chimp X giant forest hog but cleverly skirts around the obvious contradiction by saying that characteristics shown by a chimp X domestic pig wouldn't necessarily be shown by a chimp X different kind of pig! And then he posits that the common chimp (i.e. Pan troglodytes) is really the result of the "original" chimp (i.e. the bonobo Pan paniscus) hybridising with the chimp X giant forest hog hybrid (i.e. the gorilla). So in fact, common chimps, gorillas, and humans are all hybrids and the only pure species is the bonobo.

Lots of other "interesting" stuff in there too, like a human X chicken hybrid. Yes, you read that correctly.


Many many instances of deformed babies (animal and human) being uncritically passed off as hybrids between two randomly-picked species.

There are also a lot of genuine hybrids discussed but man there's a lot of idiocy on there.

http://static.gamespot.com/uploads/original/1503/15037917/2424400-1065694833-86361.jpg
 
Lots of other "interesting" stuff in there too, like a human X chicken hybrid. Yes, you read that correctly.

There are also a lot of genuine hybrids discussed but man there's a lot of idiocy on there.

There sure is.... I've often wondered why I walk about pecking at things on the ground, it must be my chicken genes....:rolleyes:
 
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