Melbourne Zoo Kulab's Calf

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dragon(ele)nerd said:
It's actually the teenage mothers that usually deliver the really large calves, I read on the houston zoo website when Shanti was preganant with Mac ( she was 14 at the time) they want to feed her a special diet, as she too is a growing animal they don't want the calf to grow to large. Mac came out large anyway at 175kgs!!!



You should know about this zoo in Holland, Emmen, they have had 24 births (including miscarriages) of that 20 males and 4 females.
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Sheesh!!!

Anyhow, how old is Kulab?
 
I'm sure the keepers at Taronga have introduce Tang Mo to Gung several times, we know that Gung knows how to naturally breed.

Don't bet on Mek Kapah, she's 37 and has never had a calf, (not impossible though) she is a great natured elephant though and is a terrific aunty from what I have read and seen.

Not sure on the Num-oi situation though
 
dragon(ele)nerd said:
I'm sure the keepers at Taronga have introduce Tang Mo to Gung several times, we know that Gung knows how to naturally breed.

Don't bet on Mek Kapah, she's 37 and has never had a calf, (not impossible though) she is a great natured elephant though and is a terrific aunty from what I have read and seen.

Not sure on the Num-oi situation though
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I believe Tang Mo will eventually have a calf some day. What about Perth, how old are their elephants?
 
Tricia is 50 or so
Putra Mas is 21
and Permai is 20

There have been several attempts to breed Permai and Putra together, but to no success, they have been recorded mating a few times. They might resort to A.I soon.
 
dragon(ele)nerd said:
Tricia is 50 or so
Putra Mas is 21
and Permai is 20

There have been several attempts to breed Permai and Putra together, but to no success, they have been recorded mating a few times. They might resort to A.I soon.
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So no hope for Tricia.

A.I might be the most likely option if they dont breed soon
 
dragon(ele)nerd said:
I'm sure the keepers at Taronga have introduce Tang Mo to Gung several times, we know that Gung knows how to naturally breed.

Don't bet on Mek Kapah, she's 37 and has never had a calf, (not impossible though) she is a great natured elephant though and is a terrific aunty from what I have read and seen.

Not sure on the Num-oi situation though
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Melbourne Zoo have no plans to ever breed Mek Kapah.
 
dragon(ele)nerd said:
It's actually the teenage mothers that usually deliver the really large calves, I read on the houston zoo website when Shanti was preganant with Mac ( she was 14 at the time) they want to feed her a special diet, as she too is a growing animal they don't want the calf to grow to large. Mac came out large anyway at 175kgs!!!



You should know about this zoo in Holland, Emmen, they have had 24 births (including miscarriages) of that 20 males and 4 females.
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Thanks for the information, that's interesting to know. :)

I checked the Melbourne Zoo website for the elephant's ages and Kulab is 10 and Numoi is 9 so hopefully they're considering breeding with her soon. I think it's increadible that there was never a single elephant born in an Australian Zoo and then suddenly we're set to have five births in 16 months. :D
 
I'm glad that the breeding program has worked out so well.
It's one up the nose of the prohibitionists and animal rights ratbags. One of their main arguments against the importation of elephants was the fact that none had ever been born here.
 
Ara said:
I'm glad that the breeding program has worked out so well.
It's one up the nose of the prohibitionists and animal rights ratbags. One of their main arguments against the importation of elephants was the fact that none had ever been born here.
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That was always a fake arguement, just because something hasn't been done in the past is no excuse to try and do it now or in the future. I too am glad that that arguement has been shot down. I think we've been very fortumte so far as there have been no calf deaths yeat.
 
The issue has been extensively discussed previously. It is due to the very fact that animal welfarist build their case on emotion alone and never on any facts nor sound evaluation of a proposed/active conservation breeding programme for a species.
 
Melbourne Zoo's Mali jealous of new baby elephant
Matt Johnston From: Herald Sun September 20, 2010 8:24PM

A DOSE of sibling rivalry in the elephant enclosure will provide Melbourne Zoo visitors with extra entertainment during school holidays.

The zoo's newest bundle of elephant joy has started wooing crowds - and it's enough to make his older half-sister Mali jealous.

The 12-day-old Asian elephant has recovered well from a difficult birth and is now romping around the enclosure with the herd.

But Mali, who now weighs about 400kg, has been quick to let her 150kg half-brother know she's boss of the babies. Melbourne Zoo elephant curator Jan Steele said the new elephant's mother Kulab and his aunt Num-Oi were working hard to keep the babies on the straight and narrow.

"Mali loves that spotlight, she's used to being the only baby but now here's this little pip-squeak," Ms Steele said.

The zoo has just enjoyed a record year with more than 1.2 million visitors, with much of the increase attributed to Mali.

Premier John Brumby said he expected even more families to flock to the zoo in coming weeks to see the two babies play.
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There's also a great picture at Baby elephants | Baby elephants at Melbourne Zoo | Herald Sun I'm amazed at how little difference in size there is between the two calves!
 
The sentinient lives of elephants produce jealousy ..., somehow disproving the myth that other species but H. sapiens have emotional qualities about them (and like / dislike buttons).
 
Kifaru Bwana said:
The issue has been extensively discussed previously. It is due to the very fact that animal welfarist build their case on emotion alone and never on any facts nor sound evaluation of a proposed/active conservation breeding programme for a species.
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"Conservation programme" would suggest that ZV and Taronga are contributing to saving the species. breeding a few in captivity is not going to save them in the wild - now I would agree that there is huge value in education and awareness, which in turn could be utilised to create support for in-situ conservation, and both the zoos would be in a very strong position to do this with their considerably increased visitation figures due to baby elephants running around, one would expect them to be making substantial commitments to in-situ programmes, unfortunately they are not – and so from my position are failing with to make a real difference!
 
Zoos that make financial contributions to in-situ conservation programmes are to be commended, but unfortunately there is an increasing (politically correct) tendency to loudly criticise zoos which don't.

Every zoo, whether public or privately owned, needs to make sure that its financial viability is its first option, and it is entirely its own decision as to whether it is prepared to spend its hard-earned financial surplus on any particular conservation programme.

Conservation is the obligation of GOVERNMENTS, not zoos ( which in many cases have to really walk a financial tightrope.) If a zoo can and does help, good for them, but criticism for lack of decent conservation funding needs to be aimed at the true target, the government of the country involved.
 
Anyone know when the naming competiton will start to name the calf?

I seem to recall something about a Friday but I am sure this is wrong!
 
I was wondering about the competition as well, I can't find anything about it.
 
It's good to see the two calfs playing together, I am not sure if all four of the females are also with the new calf yet?
 
MARK said:
It's good to see the two calfs playing together, I am not sure if all four of the females are also with the new calf yet?
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In the latest video on MZ website it shows the 2 calfs playing and 4 females in the video also
 
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