Like a Rhinestone Cowboy: FunkyGibbon in Europe

Wuppertal is an interesting case. Until about three years ago, Ulrich Schurer was the director, and had been for a long while. I would imagine he was quite a difficult man with whom to work - his "people skills" do not seem to be especially well developed - but, under his watch, the zoo developed a reputation for having a really choice collection, with a number of very nice exhibits. For a zoo in a not-particularly-wealthy town in Germany, with a large number of other zoos nearby, Wuppertal more than kept its head above water. Its bird collection was superb. It was a "full" zoo, with a reptile house and aquarium. It had a very good elephant house, the two first-class penguin exhibits. The bird house was tremendous. The ape house was much improved, with the various outdoor enclosures added. In recent years, a number of very good improvements had been seen at the zoo: the bear exhibit, the tigers, the lions (if you like that sort of thing, which I must admit I don't). Even the zoo's entrance.

When Dr Schurer retired, he was succeeded by a vet named Arne Lawrenz. I have not met Dr Lawrenz, but the impression I get is that he is not as interested in the idea of a rich collection as was his successor, meaning that the bird collection in particular is much depleted, and Wuppertal starts to look like just another zoo. I think this is a great shame. 10 years ago I would have said it was a must-see in Germany. Now I'm not so sure, despite its many very positive aspects.
 
Critically endangered blue-crowned laughing-thrush & bear's pochard? I know both species are not that uncommon in European collections and not that spectacular, but I was pleased to find them here.

I'm afraid the pochards were completely overlooked :o
The laughingthrush is a nice species, but one I've seen various times.
 
Germany Part Three - I Dort I Taw a Puddy Tat

(I'm slipping behind with posting. This was written yesterday. Tomorrow is a rest-day so I should catch up)

Sock of the day: Spider (man)

Local beer: Dortmunder Kronen
Verdict: A lager, which is a bad start. It would be unremarkable, except it seems particularly bitter. It does nothing for me, but I could see others enjoying it.

A shorter post today. Dortmund zoo is a bit smaller than I was expecting, and I think I'll have less to say. From the scraps of knowledge I'd picked up on here I was basically expecting a major German zoo, starting to show its age but with a strong collection. In fact I enjoyed a very pleasant medium-sized zoo with simple, effective exhibits, and a strong bend towards South America.

Just as for @sooty mangabey many years before me, the quickest way to the zoo involved a long walk, although I got to enjoy a main-road as well as the Botanical Gardens. It was a damp, overcast Monday morning, with nary a soul in sight, but as the day went on it brightened into a rather gorgeous sunny afternoon. Exactly what you want to put off other guests!

Dortmund Zoo, 17th July 2017


The zoo is to some extent divided into two halves by a valley. On the one side the woods are a little thicker and here there are lots of aviaries and exhibits for otters, sealions, spectacled bears and camel. On the other side it is more open and there are lots of paddocks, with a fairly eclectic array of hoofstock, although nothing really unusual I think. A nice red deer exhibit that disappears out of sight down the hill though. In this half can also be found most of the cat collection.

An old house with tiny moated exhibits for tiger and lion is now thankfully almost empty, and is marked on the map for building work. Let's hope this includes a large extension towards the Red pandas (go search for maps again). Nearby are cages for Jaguar, and at the top of the zoo more for Amur leopard. These are decidedly average, and with the focus on South-American species it would be nice to see a flagship development for the jags down the line. I note that this is not included in the current development plan.

The small cats do much better, with the huge lynx enclosure at the head of the valley being the gem in the crown. It's perfectly positioned such that you can't see across it well so even though the viewing points are opposite each other the sightlines are unimpeded. Just around the corner from here are much smaller cages for Jaguarundi, Clouded leopard and Tigrina. The cloudies have an entire building with excellent outdoors on the sides and one or two more exhibits offshow at the back. The Tigrina, as you know, are exceptionally rare in captivity, and I was delighted to see two of them. Three enclosures (that were a little basic to be honest) are signed for them so I wonder how many they hold. The viewing wasn't fantastic due to the narrow-guage wire, but I'd say they're the smallest cats I've seen bar Rusty-spotted. I'd also say they were noticeably smaller than the Oncilla I saw at Prague.

I had read about the Xenartha House before, and I think it has been mentioned on here as holding six different species? Now it's down to four: Linneus' two-toed sloth, Six-banded armadillo, Tamandua and Giant Anteater. The armadillo was very active, but not just running in a pattern which makes all the difference! It is an octagonal building with two doors and the indoor exhibits set into each of the walls. I wasn't expecting to be wowed by it, but in fact it was very pleasant and I spent some time in there. The sloth has the run of hanging logs that circle the visitor area and also the tops of the other enclosures. His access to these can be limited, and mostly was. There are three giant anteaters within and at least another three elsewhere in the zoo. Very much the speciality of Dortmund!

At the bottom end of the valley is a very nice three-story Amazonian greenhouse. It's set into the slope so you enter at the top and descend past various tanks, terrariums and plants. My only quibble is that I think more free flying species would jazz it up a little; I only saw one individual, and I looked hard to find it.

Dortmund only has five species of primate, but one of them is Sumatran Orangutans. Interestingly they share an outdoor exhibit with Malayan Tapirs, but I didn't see this mix in practice. The outdoor enclosure is moated and quite large, but the climbing apparatus is very standard. Inside there are two exhibits for each species. Bizarrely the orangs have lots of height but no mock vines or anything hanging down to make use of it. Just some fairly low logs and ropes coming out of the floor. There is a young orang there who was rejected in Hanover but accepted by one of the Dortmund females. Somewhere along the way (I couldn't follow the sign completely), he lost an arm and it was fascinating to watch how he climbed without it.

A few unusual species that I particularly enjoyed: Yellow-footed rock wallaby, Goliath heron, Eurasian badger and Burrowing Parakeet.

And one last gripe: ASCOs with no pool? I hope that's a temporary measure.

The zoo Dortmund most reminds me of is Banham. The collection is more ambitious, and there're more duff notes, but overall it has the same feeling of a medium sized zoo that is well thought out, well put together and well run. I had a good day, particularly for only eight euros. Is this a zoo worth travelling to a different country to see? I'm not sure. I think it benefits from being in the Ruhr in terms of the attention it commands, but really that's an assessment I should save for later. I'm glad I visited anyway.
 
It was a damp, overcast Monday morning, with nary a soul in sight, but as the day went on it brightened into a rather gorgeous sunny afternoon. Exactly what you want to put off other guests!

Be careful what you wish for. When I visited Dortmund (as part of a Rhur valley zoo tour) in July 2010 it was in the middle of a 36 degree heat wave. I remember strategically maneuvering (sp?) around the zoo, strolling as swiftly as possible between shaded areas, almost as much as I remember the zoo itself (which I loved). One of my most gruelling zoo experiences,Nowadays I plan continental trips in either April or September :).
 
I had read about the Xenartha House before, and I think it has been mentioned on here as holding six different species?

Indeed, they held Nine-banded and Southern six-banded armadillo until lately (a real shame considering the fact nine-banded are only held in 2 collections in Europe according to zootierliste)

A really nice review of what seems to be a really nice zoo, one that I'm aiming to visit; one day certainly. ;)
 
Indeed, they held Nine-banded and Southern six-banded armadillo until lately (a real shame considering the fact nine-banded are only held in 2 collections in Europe according to zootierliste)

Randers Regnskov doesn't keep them and hasn't kept them for years. Some guy mistakingly re-added them because they're still mentioned on the species list on their website (even if the website explicitly says that they're not in the zoo currently), along with a whole bunch of other species that haven't been kept for years either but are still listed on the website. An annoying example of how you should either visit the zoo in person or at least make sure that the species list you're copying is very recent before you edit Zootierliste...

I don't know about the holdings of Sant Alessio con Vialone, but given that the last confirmation of the species is from 4 years ago, I'm fearing that it's a species that's now gone from European zoos...
 
Lovely review! I also visit this zoo two weeks ago for the very first time and have very similar feelings like you FunkyGibbon. Only the tropical house, I didn't like. Overall, this zoo gave me a little bit mixed feelings: I founded it a bit sloppy maintained but good Southamerican mammal collection (although primates are almost absent) and some other specials like yellow-footed rock wallaby, gaur, roan antelope, serval, crowned pigeon, vultures, etc. Lot's of impressive full grown trees give this zoo a welcome shade along it's steep hillside paths. Lynx enclosure = absolute top, probably the best I ever saw for this species.
 
Loving the thread and loving the reviews FG. I particularly like the fact you're reviewing beers as well as zoos, anyone who knows me will tell you that you're combining two of my favourite things! :D
 
Germany Part Four - Galway Gelsenkirchen

Sock of the day: wolf

Getting onto the train to the zoo I almost got hit by what was literally a wall of school children. I was mentally girding myself to race them to the entrance so I didn't have to queue but it turns out they weren't going to the zoo at all. In fact almost no-one got off at that stop, but the zoo was still pretty busy for a Tuesday.

Zoom Gelsenkirchen, July 19th

Gelsenkirchen is an interesting place. As I understand it it was completely rebuilt from scratch from 2005 to 2010. The capital outlay from the city must have been immense because the whole zoo looks extensively themed and largely everything is naturalistic.

There are three areas: Alaska, Africa and Asia. I'll cover them in that order, which is the order I walked the zoo and also the order they were constructed.

Alaska is the most successful area, largely because replicating the temperate flora, at least to a first approximation, is quite straightforward. The first exhibit is for Eurasian lynx, and the viewing is through the windows of a log cabin. It's effective, although on a busy day you wouldn't get much of a look in. The exhibit itself is very naturalistic, with most of it being a water moat and then grass and rocks and trees. You can pretty much squint and convince yourself it's the wild. Much of Alaska is to this standard, and it's really wonderful. A similar exhibit for Racoons saw the inhabitants busily looking for something in the moat. That's the second time, after Bern, that I've seen a world-class exhibit for this species this summer and when you compare it to the concrete cells they often get saddled with the difference in visitor experience is remarkable. A combined area for Tree porcupine, river otter and beaver is the first enclosure where you feel like you are back in a zoo, with some fairly obvious concrete work in the pool. On a hot day it was not the most active of enclosures....

The path moves through Alaska in a loop that starts and finishes at the zoo entrance, as is also the case for the two other zones. The brown bear exhibits are midway along this loop and are really first rate. One is for European brown bear and one is for the Kamchatka subspecies. Kodiaks are nowhere to be seen but I don't really care about this. Both are large undulating slopes with not-terrible mock rock walls and viewing from wooden platforms above pools at the basis of the slope. There are also windows within rocky 'half-grottos' at the top which would allow for very close up viewing if the bears so desired. Both areas are very large, and although they don't match the fenced-in woodland approach of Plzen and others, are probably the best 'artificial' enclosures I've seen.

Both before and after the bears is some fairly over-the-top 'goldrush' theming on a Wildwest style food outlet, and a tunnel leading to the polar bears where a miner shouts at you in German. As I'm typing this I'm looking at the map, and I'm convinced that either the brown bears' exhibits have been cartographically shrunk or the polars' have been upscaled because they look the same, which was not at all my impression in reality. The polar bears are first viewed across the Californian sealion pool (some geographic license there), and then later more directly. In fact the outlook onto the paddocks is pretty much exactly on the level, which is not really ideal. Here can also be found the somewhat famous dwarf-bear Antonia, whose enclosure is really not very good at all, being a small almost featureless grotto. Like almost all the animals at Gelsenkirchen, she seemed to be shut outside for the day, about which you will no doubt have your own opinion.

On the way back to the entrance I noted the colour of the Timber wolves with interest; very black indeed and a strong contrast to the reddish Mongolian wolves at Zurich or the white Tundra wolves I've seen in other places. Seeing all three in one place would be fun. Taken as a whole area, and it's a big area with bits I haven't mentioned, I'd say this is the best and most convincingly naturalistic exhibit complex I've experienced.

As you enter Africa you are immediately faced with a replicated Tofinou village from Benin. This is the kind of attention to cultural detail that is lacking from so many 'African villages' in zoos, and Gelsenkirchen deserves credit for the attempt, although I am not best placed to judge its success. Adjacent to the village is a kraal style exhibit for Ankole, Somali sheep and pygmy goat (even the guide book points out that kraal is an Afrikaans word and concept. Geography fans will confirm this is not spoken in Benin :p )

The main bulk of Africa is two large savannah exhibits, one for giraffes, some antelope species and ground hornbill, the other for zebra, ostriches, white rhino in parts, more antelope and also vultures and marabou stork. The 'zebra' exhibit might have been one of the best I've seen, but I confess I didn't linger as I was in dire need of a shady spot to eat my lunch at that point. There is a lake that sits at the back of the savannah and an automatic boat ride follows the shore of it, past an island for Olive baboon and intriguingly close to the Common hippo pools, where the only apparent separation is a wall that just breaks the surface. Thinking about it now I suspect there is more to this than meets the eye.

An African tropical house is the first really fundamental breach of the pretense that this isn't a zoo. It is the indoor holding for the hippos and chimps, and for both species I would say the enclosures, inside and out, are up there with the best. The house also holds Moustached Guenon. I'm not really a species hound, but I do have a soft spot for all the strange looking guenons that are still around. This was one of the the more interesting ones I've seen.

Because so much of it is the two large mixed exhibits, Africa feels like it has a little less depth than Alaska. It still has a lot to offer. The variety of antelope is quite comprehensive, in zoo terms, and the boat ride is very pleasant. Liberal use of red sand helps to set the tone, but you are basically never in danger of believing you're in any Africa, even on a beating hot day like yesterday.

I arrived back at the entrance for the second time with just forty minutes to spend in Asia if I wanted to catch my preferred train. I wouldn't say this was plenty, but it wasn't a struggle either. Asia is basically an Orangutan exhibit with some afterthoughts, and that's barely unfair. There're two islands for orangs and they share these with Hanuman langurs. This seemed to work quite well in practice, but it's not even remotely reasonable if you are trying to represent Asia in a meaningful way.

Along the path that wends its way around the islands are two exhibits for tigers which are the most recent addition to the zoo (2013). They are smallish and the fence is clearly visible. As this is the first thing you see on entering Asia the drop in standards from the rest of the zoo is pretty jarring. On the plus side I think the tiger was the largest I've ever seen, which probably isn't a plus considering the limited nature of the enclosures.

Pig-tailed macaques aren't very uncommon but I don't seem to see them much. Gelsenkirchen has a large breeding group which is good, in a temple themed exhibit, which is, um, lacking inspiration? I'm not inclined to explore that idea now, but I think it ties into a wider point about the orang islands as well. I don't know if the money ran out, or the time or maybe even the energy, but it just feels like the whole Asia area bails on everything Zoom tried and largely succeeded in doing with Alaska and Africa. The islands have some hotwired trees, but otherwise are just grass and ropes and poles. They are a good answer to the question 'how well can we execute the existing paradigm of orang exhibits?', and a terrible answer to the question 'how can we do things differently so that visitors don't watch orangs sitting on grass all day?'. Not that other zoos have found better answers, of course, but it feels like Zoom was better placed than most to have a good crack at it.

The Orangutan indoors is a large tropical house, which includes an upmarket restaurant (my impression from a distance), and a freelight area. The species list is fairly abysmal, but the house is good-looking internally and externally, and without the restaurant and in the right hands it could be much, much better.

Zoom is a funny beast. Parts of it are truly wonderful, and are absolutely worth the entrance fee alone, but if we analyse it as a zoo, and remember why we like them, we find that it doesn't really have much of anything other than large mammals. Gelsenkirchen might be the future of zoos, but we had better hope it is only a part of the future; too much of what zoos can do is left untouched here.
 
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Germany Part Five - Duis like they do on the Discovery Channel

(That pun only works if you pronounce Duisburg wrong, but I bet all the English speakers do)

Sock of the day: Penguin

I spent my rest day in the pleasant city of Dusseldorf. Unfortunately what could have been a nice lie-in was cut extremely short, at FIVE a.m., by the tectonic judderings of the inhabitant of the bunk next to mine. I don't think I've ever heard more violent sounds coming from the mouth of a human being. The same thing happened this morning, so I'm pretty knackered. Now snoring is not always something we can control, but when you've filled your bed with your valuables so you can't roll over I don't think a jury is going to look the other way. It's the first time in a hostel that I've really wished I had earplugs.

Another little thing that is starting to grate is the prevalence of smoking here. It's not at all uncommon in zoos and it's also allowed on train platforms. Not a big fan.

Things I am enjoying one week in are the bakeries and the goods therein, the hostel atmosphere (although I prefer the prices in Asia!), and the general ease of traveling on the interrail card.

I woke this morning in dismay because, as the French say, it really was raining ropes. I nipped out of the hostel before breakfast and bought a role of plastic bags, in order to fashion a waterproof covering for my rucksack. I'm traveling extremely light on this trip, and I've managed to condense everything I'll need for a month into my day bag. This does mean that some items that I would normally pack have been left out, and that cause a bit of bother today. Of course, no sooner had I bought the bags and labouriously threaded the straps of my rucksack through them than the rain stopped and the sun came out.

Duisburg Zoo, July 20th

I have got to that point in the trip where I've seen a lot of similar exhibits, and so I'm tending to breeze past quite a few of them, especially the more traditional paddocks for hoofstock. It's important to remember this when forming an opinion of a zoo, but it certainly keeps the overall visit time down, which is useful when you are tired and wanting to avoid burnout. This was my fifth zoo for the trip, and I'm still having fun and still enjoying the zoos, which is great.

Bearing in mind the above, much of Duisburg is unremarkable and therefore I shan't be remarking on it. There's a reasonably complete selection of ABC mammals, a few reptiles and a decent little aquarium. There WAS a rather large looking Fasanerie, but it has been partly demolished to make way for a new walkthrough bird exhibit. It seems the old indoor holding will be incorporated, as it is still standing. I have a suspicion that the birds are still in there, as the lights were on and I can think of no other good reason. As it was the onshow avian collection was very limited indeed.

Noteworthy things:

The Elephant House is showing its age, and is small inside and out. It is not in the same class as any I have mentioned in this thread.

The Carnivore House, and associated satellite exhibits, is rather good. The house itself holds Lion, Fishing cat and Dwarf mongoose. To the south are a trio of cages for Fossa (which I actually saw!). To the east are at least two enclosures for Clouded leopard, but perhaps more offshow. On the west side are European wildcat and Lynx, with a brace of exhibits a piece. That's a pretty good showing, in pretty good exhibits.

Next to the clouded leopards is a very nice exhibit for two Spectacled bears. They were very showy, with one seemingly have a prelediction for climbing, as it was often up on the logs when I passed by. Vision and I were talking about bears, and how when a zoo builds a new exhibit (possibly on the site of several old grottos) they seem to often go for the Andean bear I have nothing against them of course, but variety is the spice of life and as long as multiple species can be maintained in Europe I'd like to see that happen.

The Common seals' pool is very small indeed, and there are five of them. Probably time to move on from the species.

The new Tasmanian devil exhibits are very pretty, and both devils were out and about. Duisburg's australian collection is very impressive, with eight Koalas, Common wombats, Goodfellow's tree kangaroo, Short-beaked echidna, Brush-tailed kangaroo, emu and even the extremely rare Bennett's wallaby! Wombats were unseen but I did see a lot of wombats sized holes in the ground.

The zoo is split into two halves by a motorway. Impressively, a wide bridge links the two sides and a garden has been built on it. Were it not for the loud noise of the traffic you wouldn't even realise the road was there.

Duisburg's logo features a leaping bottlenose dolphin, and although that may not be the cetecean that springs to mind for ZooChatters, I imagine it is what Duisburg is famous for regionally. The Delfinarium is a huge building with an arena inside. The main pool is not objectively small, but I don't think you could call it large either, especially for the nine(?) individuals they have. Two small pools at the back can be isolated, and a channel leads out of sight to what I presume is a small offshow pool. There isn't space in the building for a large one. I hadn't particularly planned to watch the show, but the timings worked out and I was somewhat intrigued. It made me think about the debate here on zoo animals performing. The tricks they were showing weren't remotely naturalistic, and it was very much a show geared to children. I'm not convinced there's a great message being sent, although admittedly I didn't follow what was said in any kind of detail. My real take-away was that now I'd like to see Nuremburg's dolphin exhibit, or indeed any that attempts to create a more complex environment.

South of the Delfinarium is a replica Chinese Garden. This was nice, but surely the zoo could find a better use for this space? For example...

Getting some of the monkeys out of the misleadingly named Aquatorium. This is an old primate house with very little having been done to update it. The gorillas have a spacious outdoor exhibit, and indeed a spacious silver back with a spacious family to fill it, but the indoors is distinctly unspacious. 'Cramped', as my calf would put it. The orangs are worse off, like Dudley but without the moat (although grass is nice). Most of the other stuff in there, including some nice things like Roloway monkey, White-naped mangabey, Greater white-nosed guenon and Western black and white colobus, has either no outdoors at all or a simple, small cage that looks straight out of the '70s. For the gibbons in particular it's pretty bad. Downsizing the collection would be a start and I'm not sure why this hasn't already happened. In the long-term almost everything would be better off with a new exhibit. In some ways this would be a shame as the house does have a lot of character. If they built a series of treetop trails they could spread the exhibits out and also rotate them around a bit. They'd still have to sort out the great ape indoors, but it would be one way forward.

If it wasn't for the Boto at Duisburg it is very likely that I'd be bumbling around the Netherlands right now. As I've mentioned before, in general new species are nice but if they are similar to something I've already seen I don't really get to excited. For example, Roloway monkeys were a lifer today but they're so similar to Dianas. However, when a new thing really is new, alien even, that can be a real thrill. When you know that the new thing is the last of its kind in Europe and this will likely be the only time you ever see one the encounter takes on even more poignancy.

So it was with the river dolphin. I spent months dreading the news that it had died just before I got there, and even today I approached the Amazon House (Rio Negra) with a kind of pit in my stomach. I needn't have worried. As long as I passed through the door there he was, twirling bizarrely in the water. This went on for a good minute and I almost decided it was some strange stereotypy, until he stopped and never did it again. He then proceeded to do laps of the pool, which is on several levels, with undergrowth hanging into it and submerged logs and such as well. It's very attractive. Botos are fascinating looking creatures, but you'd struggle to call them pretty. I was completely absorbed for quite some time. He's very old now,has lost most of his teeth, and has a few almighty scars on his tail, which I can only assume came from his disceased tank mates? Nevertheless he is very active and seemed quite curious about the visitors at times. The rest of Rio Negra is actually good as well, with a free-flying Channel-billed toucan, free roaming Red-handed tamarin (and allegedly Sloth and Tamandua), another tank for catfish and enclosures for Lowland paca (unseen) and Greater guinea pig. Wonderful building.

I returned twice over the course of my visit, and on both of the other occasions I was lucky to see him catching live fish, which I can only assume are put in throughout the day. I was surprised by this, but it was incredible to watch. He doesn't seem to be able to sense them from far away but once within a foot it was incredible how agile and fast he was, following every turn and shimmy. His preferred method of the kill was to chew and shock, then release, and which point the fish would swim slowly away and he'd follow. Surprisingly, if the fish made it to the safety of some debris he lost interest almost instantly. Then when he encountered the fish it would put up basically no right and it was game over. If you'd asked me this morning if I was in favour of live feeding I'd have said no, but this was pretty thought provoking. All in all I spent at least a quarter of my time at Duisburg watching him, and it really was an absolute privilege. One of my all-time favourite zoo experiences.

In summary, I'm not really sure Duisburg is all that much. The impressive primate collection is offset by the crappy holding. The cat collection is a serious plus point, as is the Australian fauna. The lack of birds and the generally par to sub-par exhibitry serious minuses. If you rarely visit zoos then you'd probably have a good day out, although why are you reading this? For a zoo enthusiast however, most of what you'll see will probably not impress you much (it's barely got the moves or the touch). This is definitely a zoo to visit for the rarities. But you have to visit! Go and book a flight now and see the boto before it's too late. You can get dirt-cheap flights to Dusseldorf and twin it with Köln Zoo for a great weekend. Or indeed any of the other zoos I've written about so far (though really it should be Köln, or Wuppertal at a push). Do it. (Personal circumstances permitting).

Non-Duisburg thoughts


A seed was planted in my brain after Dortmund. It ripened in Dusseldorf and now it's harvest-time. As previously stated I enjoyed it, but I really didn't feel it was a major zoo and it just felt out of place on my itinerary. It was by no means an Usti moment, but I felt like the advice I would give to myself would be to be a bit more discerning with my zoo list. Also, having paid for a travel pass that covered the whole of Germany I felt that I really could have done something more akin to a grand tour, rather than focusing on a comprehensive Ruhr experience. I was phrasing all of this as advice for the thread, when I suddenly realised the was no reason why I couldn't act on it myself in the present. I actually had no accommodation booked in Munster, my next stop, as there're no hostels there on booking.com. so that made things easier, and I can actually cancel my reservation in Hanover at no cost until the day itself. I probably won't do that though.

The plan was to visit Krefeld before Duisburg today, then two days in Munster with a day at Munster Zoo, before spending a half-day at Rheine on the way to Hanover. That's three zoos that the Comte de Frou Frou would describe as 'small potatoes'. Instead I could go to Duisburg first, giving me the late afternoon to travel to anywhere I wanted in Germany.

So I'm in Berlin.
 
Right, there's one thing I need to know. What has happened to the beer/ale reviews? These things are important as well... :p
 
Well you say that but I've probably spent three months in hostels in the last two years with no problems. Plus there's no way I'm spending money on stuff like that. :)

I have an $80 pair that were custom-molded to my ear. That might sound like an obscene amount to pay but between sleeping well for the last four months, and when I had an apartment tower being built 40m from my balcony, they have paid for themselves many times over.
 
Another excellent review (and an appalling musical pun). I think that what you say about Duisburg is fair: I've visited the zoo 5 or 6 times over the past 25 years, and I don't think I've ever really enjoyed a visit there, particularly. It has a rather grimy feel to it, not unlike Duisburg itself. It should be a great zoo, in many ways - but it doesn't feel like it. it certainly lacks the charm of many of its neighbours (including those that you have elected not to visit).

The Elephant House is showing its age, and is small inside and out. It is not in the same class as any I have mentioned in this thread.

Until fairly recently, this house was for elephants and giraffes. It was renovated, for elephants, about 10 or 15 years ago. Not the most capacious elephant accommodation in the zoo world....

The Common seals' pool is very small indeed, and there are five of them. Probably time to move on from the species.

Are there two seal enclosures? If this one - Duisburg Zoo 2004 - South American Fur Seal in the old Polar Bear exhibit | ZooChat - is still in operation, it might appall you to know that until the end of the last century it held polar bears. When I first saw them there, it was a real eye-opener - even European zoos could be awful!

This is an old primate house with very little having been done to update it... Downsizing the collection would be a start and I'm not sure why this hasn't already happened. In the long-term almost everything would be better off with a new exhibit.

Actually, quite a lot has been done to it over the past two decades. This was another house which, when I first saw it, was simply awful (now I would say it was just pretty poor). The collection has shrunk, markedly, and the outdoor areas improved considerably. In Volume 8 of The International Zoo Yearbook (1968), there's a paper on the newly-built house: in May 1967, it housed "183 primates belonging to 69 forms" - which is an eye-watering thought.

I think the biggest problem for the zoo is that this is by no means a wealthy city. Money is in very short supply - and it shows.
 
Right, there's one thing I need to know. What has happened to the beer/ale reviews? These things are important as well... :p

They'll be back. I've been tired and over exposed to sun the last few days and it's just not been on the cards.
 
Fair enough, I enjoy a beer review almost as much as a zoo review! ;) It's these touches that make a thread better than average. @sooty mangabey and his Thelma & Louise motel, @snowleopard sleeping in his mini-van, @CGSwans with his expensive earplugs, or even @Chlidonias and whatever happens to him... All these things add character to a decent travel thread and yours is a sure fire addition to the ZooChat Hall Of Fame due to the the (very) enjoyable titles and the beer reviews! :D
 
Completely agree with what has been said about Duisburg!!

They actually have ten koalas!! Don't know if you noticed their two brand new babies :)

And YOU LUCKY BASTARD WITH THE DEVILS. I waited for ages looking for them and nothing!! On the bright side I did see the paca..... :)

Did you see the giant salamanders in the aquarium?
 
The collection has shrunk, markedly, and the outdoor areas improved considerably. In Volume 8 of The International Zoo Yearbook (1968), there's a paper on the newly-built house: in May 1967, it housed "183 primates belonging to 69 forms" - which is an eye-watering thought.

Just re-reading this paper is quite sobering: at the time, there were 14 species of New World monkey, 10 callitrichid species, 2 macaques, 2 mangabeys, Guinea baboons, geladas, drills and mandrills, 14 (!) Cercopithecus species, 6 langur species, proboscis monkeys, 2 colobus species, 3 gibbon species, gorillas, chimps and orangs, as well as lemurs, tree shrews and bushbabies.

It's not mentioned in the IZYB, but i believe manatees were in there once as well.

I think that @vogelcommando started a thread, recently, detailing the species held in the place, but I can't find it now.
 
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