Lost, rare, and non-existant media of Indonesian zoos and public aquariums

twilighter said:
I am sorry, I didn't even know that Surabaya had Dugong.

I know that the Aquarium at Ancol, Jakarta had the spieces until recently and we saw the former exhibit there, but not anymore.
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Actually, in Surabaya Zoo now there is only a dugong skeleton in the diorama area. But I am sure it is just a specimen, not a former zoo collection because it is impossible that the outdoor megatank aquarium (now filled with Arapaima gigas) was once a dugong enclosure.
 
Rizz Carlton said:
Can you tell me more about the exhibits in these zoos, especially the exhibit in Taman Safari (What exhibit is it now/location within the park)?
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I think the Sumatran rhino in Taman Safari Bogor is on a safari journey, I'm sure. Incidentally, it is now an enclosure for European bison (previously white rhinoceros).
 
Rizz Carlton said:
Thanks to @Jonathan Harry
  • Zootierliste mentions the zoo had kept the Sunda pangolin, black-crested Sumatran langur, pig-tailed langur, and Kloss's gibbon in the past. No picture, video, or much information has been found online of these species in the zoo.
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Try to convince yourself first, it seems like a mitered langur, not a black-crested Sumatran langur. Coincidentally the Latin name is the same, Presbytis melalophos, the Latin name is still maintained by Ragunan Zoo and Taman Safari Bogor, even though the animal is a mitered langur (Presbytis mitrata).
 
Jonathan Harry said:
Actually, in Surabaya Zoo now there is only a dugong skeleton in the diorama area. But I am sure it is just a specimen, not a former zoo collection because it is impossible that the outdoor megatank aquarium (now filled with Arapaima gigas) was once a dugong enclosure.
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Surabaya certainly kept a Dugong. It was a female captured off East Java in 1974 which lived at the zoo until its death in 2003. The animal was even the subject of a feeding study published in 1996.
 
Jonathan Harry said:
Try to convince yourself first, it seems like a mitered langur, not a black-crested Sumatran langur. Coincidentally the Latin name is the same, Presbytis melalophos, the Latin name is still maintained by Ragunan Zoo and Taman Safari Bogor, even though the animal is a mitered langur (Presbytis mitrata).
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Ragunan did have the actual presbytis melalophos, same as Surabaya in the past. Though its possible for these zoos to label their p. melalophos and p. mitrata as one species in the past.

There is an mitered langur in Gembira Loka, which was I believe does assigned as p. melalophos, so I do only just aware that it might be a mistake from the original uploader to the Gembira Loka former holding list in ZTL. Same goes with the supposed p. melalophos in Cisarua, in which the original uploader apparently cited a picture of the actual species that was kept in Ragunan.
 
Jonathan Harry said:
Actually, in Surabaya Zoo now there is only a dugong skeleton in the diorama area. But I am sure it is just a specimen, not a former zoo collection because it is impossible that the outdoor megatank aquarium (now filled with Arapaima gigas) was once a dugong enclosure.
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Like @Chlidonias said, the dugong was kept for almost four decades in a presumebly already revamped exhibit in the zoo (Like, most of the current aquarium complex might previously be a dugong pool perhaps). The dugong skeleton now displayed could be the same female that died in 2003.
 
Rizz Carlton said:
Thanks to @Jonathan Harry in the other thread, we now aware that they're apparently some stuffs from Gembira Loka Zoo's past that aren't well documented.
  • Supposedly a pair of giraffe used to be kept in the zoo atleast prior to 2014, which a plan to acquire a new pair (At some point, another SEA zoo even offered their giraffe) was postponned and at this point seems to be fully cancelled with the zoo's explanation being the "lack of space" (Curious on how they still able to kept them in the past despite this). The only known giraffe's documented history is during an expo in Ambarukmo Plaza (An mall in Yogyakarta), not sure what this meant but probably via old pictures or other artwork promoting the giraffes in GLZ
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That's why my wishlist at that time was development in the arboretum area so there would be no "dead space" as they say.
 
Chlidonias said:
Surabaya certainly kept a Dugong. It was a female captured off East Java in 1974 which lived at the zoo until its death in 2003. The animal was even the subject of a feeding study published in 1996.
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Is the exhibit located in the aquarium zone? I’m still searching the footage of Surabaya Zoo in 1980s-1990s to see the dugong exhibit.
 
Salt Merchant said:
Ancol Dreamland:
  • Irrawaddy dolphins and false killer whale at Ocean Dream Samudera.
  • Freshwater aquarium at Ocean Dream Samudera.
  • Original otter exhibit at Ocean Dream Samudera.
  • Original bottlenose dolphin exhibit.
  • Australian pelican at Ocean Dream Samudera.
  • Freshwater aquarium at Ocean Dream Samudera.
  • The original jingle of Seaworld Ancol before they were fully owned by Ancol.
  • Red-eared slider and ocellated stingray in Seaworld Ancol's river view aquarium.
  • Freshwater zone of Seaworld Ancol, with notable inhabitants include the Chinese high-fin banded shark and green sturgeon.
  • Seaworld Ancol's common snapping turtle.
  • Seaworld Ancol's weedy and leafy sea dragon.
  • Sandtiger shark and grey reef shark in Seaworld Ancol.
  • Seaworld Ancol's chambered nautilus, promoted by the aquarium as a "living fossil exhibition".
  • Seaworld Ancol's sea cave themed aquarium with spiny lobsters and day octopus, among others.
  • Seaworld Ancol's cobia.
  • Seaworld Ancol's coconut crab exhibit, located in the now shark aquarium.
  • Seaworld's reticulated python exhibit, the only footage I know of it is actually in one of the Get Married movies in the earlier scene where Nino Fernandez's character visit the aquarium with his henchman
  • Faunaland's original animal placement in the glass exhibit area, with twelve-wired and lesser bird-of-paradise, as well as spectral tarsier and silvery marmoset, before they were moved out from there.
  • A lonely greater flamingo in Faunaland, only accompanied by several flamingo garden statues.
  • Faunaland's sunda porcupines in their original exhibit, which also include several albino porcupines.
  • Faunaland's albino spotted and Waigeo cuscus.
  • Faunaland's coconut crab.
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Do you remember what kind of fish there was in the freshwater aquarium at Ocean Dream Samudera? Since I've been there, it was inside the dolphin show building, but I forgot what was inside. I think there were several kinds of catfish.
 
Jonathan Harry said:
Do you remember what kind of fish there was in the freshwater aquarium at Ocean Dream Samudera? Since I've been there, it was inside the dolphin show building, but I forgot what was inside. I think there were several kinds of catfish.
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The usual home aquarium fish species, like alligator gars, sorubim, blood parrot, etc.

There was already a footage of the aquarium in this thread, though it was when it focused on being saltwater as well as a picture of the blood parrot cichlid there.

Salt Merchant said:
One of the inhabitants of the former freshwater aquarium at Ocean Dream Samudra. Circa 2009.

Source:
Piknik ke Ancol

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Salt Merchant said:
A look into Ocean Dream Samudra's (Then-Gelanggang Samudra) saltwater aquarium. Circa 2005.

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Rizz Carlton said:
The usual home aquarium fish species, like alligator gars, sorubim, blood parrot, etc.

There was already a footage of the aquarium in this thread, though it was when it focused on being saltwater as well as a picture of the blood parrot cichlid there.
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I also saw the beluga on the blog!
As far as I remember, the grouper tank in ODS housed a whitetip reef shark, but unseen in the video
 
Rizz Carlton said:
The fate of the belugas is quite unknown as well, have there ever been any news of what happened to them?

I mean, maintaining beluga whales in the tropic must've been very expensive.
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Supposedly the mermaid show area was for the belugas and a separate stadium for the false killer whale was going to be built back in 2011 (presumably the current dolphin stadium was meant for it)

Presumably, the belugas perished before their new exhibit finished, so as the false killer whale
 
I've never heard of it being mentioned here, only listed as a zoo on another thread listing the zoos of Indonesia, but Ciliwung Herpetarium/Ciliwung Reptile Center has been defunct since August 2021. The institution focused on highlighting species local to the Ciliwung River, often taking in rescued or relocated reptiles before release. Here is a post from the founder, Nathan Rusli, on the closure of the institution.

Nathan Rusli on Instagram: "Well, this is probably the most difficult decision I've ever had to make. As a leader of an organization, I have the responsibility to put the organization's best interests over my own personal feelings, using rational thinking rather than emotion. It is with a heavy heart that I hereby announce the closure of the @ciliwungherpetarium , and from the bottom of my heart I'd like to thank everyone who has contributed to making all this happen. To all the volunteers, staff, visitors, and supporters, it's been an absolute pleasure, and a wild ride indeed. The Indonesia Herpetofauna Foundation @herpetofauna.id will continue to exist, and focus mainly on conservation for the endangered Trilaksono's bush frog. Lots more to come, but what exactly, we do not know at this point. The next month or so will be extremely painful, for us to literally destroy everything we've built over the past six years. As I removed the snakes from their enclosures today and put them in transport bags, my heart was breaking - it's a difficult feeling to describe, perhaps comparable to killing your own child (albeit not as extreme). But once again, the conservation impact is much more important than our sentiments. After all, the goal of conservation is the very reason why the foundation exists... As Alexander Graham Bell once said: "When one door closes, another one opens." I am certain we have made the right decision here, and in the long run, IHF will become more impactful towards the conservation of amphibians and reptiles in Indonesia."
 
Mossman Joe said:
I've never heard of it being mentioned here, only listed as a zoo on another thread listing the zoos of Indonesia, but Ciliwung Herpetarium/Ciliwung Reptile Center has been defunct since August 2021. The institution focused on highlighting species local to the Ciliwung River, often taking in rescued or relocated reptiles before release. Here is a post from the founder, Nathan Rusli, on the closure of the institution.

Nathan Rusli on Instagram: "Well, this is probably the most difficult decision I've ever had to make. As a leader of an organization, I have the responsibility to put the organization's best interests over my own personal feelings, using rational thinking rather than emotion. It is with a heavy heart that I hereby announce the closure of the @ciliwungherpetarium , and from the bottom of my heart I'd like to thank everyone who has contributed to making all this happen. To all the volunteers, staff, visitors, and supporters, it's been an absolute pleasure, and a wild ride indeed. The Indonesia Herpetofauna Foundation @herpetofauna.id will continue to exist, and focus mainly on conservation for the endangered Trilaksono's bush frog. Lots more to come, but what exactly, we do not know at this point. The next month or so will be extremely painful, for us to literally destroy everything we've built over the past six years. As I removed the snakes from their enclosures today and put them in transport bags, my heart was breaking - it's a difficult feeling to describe, perhaps comparable to killing your own child (albeit not as extreme). But once again, the conservation impact is much more important than our sentiments. After all, the goal of conservation is the very reason why the foundation exists... As Alexander Graham Bell once said: "When one door closes, another one opens." I am certain we have made the right decision here, and in the long run, IHF will become more impactful towards the conservation of amphibians and reptiles in Indonesia."
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I've only heard of this just now, though its still sad knowing how actually passionate the people behind it about the conservation and care of native herps and to see the herpetarium closed down. I've known them in around 2019, I really interested on how wonderful their terrariums are, like one that that was based on how snakes often end up in somebody's kitchen.

Still, really happy that they still took part in the study and care of the many interesting species they have. Might like to visit the new facility in Bogor in the future.
 
Rizz Carlton said:
Still, really happy that they still took part in the study and care of the many interesting species they have. Might like to visit the new facility in Bogor in the future.
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I've had the pleasure of speaking to Nathan a few times in the past and wish him well in any future projects he may have in Indonesian herpetology. He's even led a terrarium workshop for Gembira Loka, which I'm eager to see the results of, if there are.

The new facility you're referring to I assume is the Herpetological Conservation Breeding Lab? For others here, it's a facility that currently aims to study and breed 3 Indonesian frog species, all from the Leptophryne genus and includes the Critically Endangered Bleeding Toad (Leptophryne cruentata) with help from a few local and international institutions, including Chester Zoo.
 
Fargusno said:
Supposedly the mermaid show area was for the belugas and a separate stadium for the false killer whale was going to be built back in 2011 (presumably the current dolphin stadium was meant for it)
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There was a report on rare cetaceans in captivity that include the Irrawaddy dolphins in Samudra Ancol. The photos shown of the dolphins suggest there were displayed in the now-mermaid show tank.
 
An interesting podcast with Michael Sumampau, the current manager of Aviary Park and son of Toni Sumampau, one of the founder of Taman Safari Indonesia. The podcast details some of the history of what would be the biggest and most well-known zoo franchise in Indonesia.

The ownership of Aviary Park by Michael Sumampau and TSI's influence (Though not directly owned by the company) does explain the animal choices within the facility.
  • The Manansang brothers (Jansen and Frans) and Toni Sumampau, which are the owner of Taman Safari Indonesia, were once circus handlers that took care of the animals held in a travelling circus in around the 1970's.
  • Toni Sumampau, who was a tiger handler during the circus theme, apparently had been bitten in the arm in an attempt to subdue a wild-caught tiger (Implied to be Sumatran), leading to a heavy injury and a surgery in Australia. During his time in the Land Down Under, he visited a lion safari park and had learn that the safari park owners also had owned a circus. This inspired Toni Sumampau to build a safari park in Indonesia with the Manansang.
  • Taman Safari Bogor was opened in 1984, instead of the previously assumed 1980 opening year (Instead said to be the park's first construction year).
  • The park was already built in a very large space (240 hectares, only beaten by the park in Prigen with the space of 350 hectares) in a rather cool place in the Mount Pangrango slope around 1600m above sea level, though further expansion in the future extend the park's size.
  • Details on Taman Safari's polar bears are further explored.
    • Adelaide Zoo (Australia and the zoo not directly mentioned), the original holder of the bears, were complained by local NGOs after the bear seems to form mold and fungi infection on their furs during the summer. Among other zoos, Taman Safari Bogor accepted the offer to sent the bears to them, supported by the claim that Cisarua is cool enough to maintain the bears. As Michael claimed, throughout the bears life in Cisarua, there had been no serious health issue
    • In term of exhibit maintenance, the bear's exhibit received good water filtration and the adding of ice blocks to further cool down the water.
  • Taman Safari Indonesia, just like any other zoo, had received foreign animal experts to further gain experience in taking care of newer animals.
  • In term of incidents, Sumampau had claimed that there had been no animal escapee incidents.
  • In term of releases into the wild, Sumampau claimed that TSI had experience in rehabilitating and releasing their animals into the wild. Mentioned experiences are over a hundred of Bali myna and around fourty Javan pied starling. He further stated that the purpose of TSI, and zoos in general, is to eventually releases some of their inhabitants into the wild.
  • It was somewhat implied that Taman Safari Indonesia had received privately-owned tigers before from owners that feared check-up and arrest from authority.
  • In somewhat of a uplifting statement, Sumampau had mentioned that both Taman Safari Indonesia and Aviary Park has shifted away from circus-based shows into a more "edutainment" concept for a show (Though this is still highly debatable).
  • The concept of an "Aviary Park" was conceived during the COVID-19 pandemic, were numerous projects by TSI were halted.
    • During this time, they received an offer from a unspecified business partner to develop a 6 hectares land in the Bintaro Jaya area.
    • Being located in a urban city and due to the small land size compared to the other TSI parks, TSI though it was unfeasible to keep larger animals like tigers and feared of higher risk with this fact. So, the focus shifted to smaller animals like birds and insects.
    • TSI's own experience in keeping and breeding birds further give confidence to the new park regarding their choice to focus on birds.
    • To further makes the park more interesting, a biome-themed concept is developed with the addition of desert, grassland, and rainforest-themed exhibits. Over 6000 trees are planted to support this concept.
    • The park's YouTube channel is in development not only to promote the park, but also to educate viewers on how to properly take care of pets.
    • The Aviary Park is more than open to received donation of animals from private collections, but won't accept larger animals which would be diverted to Taman Safari Bogor.

 
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