Lowland gorillas in Europe 2011

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Lisbon, Portugal Gorilla birth.

Lisbon's first baby Gorilla was born in December(?) 2010 but unfortunately it did not survive. Parents; Nasibu x Anguka.

This is the first baby which has definately been fathered by male 'Nasibu', who was born at Belfast (Keke x Naomi) and grew up as a young male in the small group at Kolmarden, Sweden.(DNA testing has still (?) not been done on the baby born there to establish its exact paternity) Hopefully there will be repeat breeding as 'Nasibu' is from a very genetically important line.
 
Pertinax said:
I am not sure if it was viable or if it was a stillbirth. She carried it about for several days though. I will post on here if I find out anymore. Hopefully she will be pregnant again by now.

Another interesting thing is that the father 'Nasibu' comes from a maternal line with a questionmark hanging over it- his grandmother 'Delilah' lost a number of babies at Bristol and later Belfast Zoos(she still lives there) and Nasibu is her only living descendant. There were suggestions(or excuses?) at the time that she carried a lethal 'gene' that caused most of her babies to die. This was never proved of course and I hope that this recent DNS at Lisbon was just an unfortunate glitch and not from some inherant cause.
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What caused Daniel not being a succesfull silverback? His heritage from the mother's side or the circumstances in the different zoos? And so for Jeremiah?
 
john said:
What caused Daniel not being a succesfull silverback? His heritage from the mother's side or the circumstances in the different zoos? And so for Jeremiah?
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It was also later suggested as a reason why Daniel did not breed successfully despite fathering many young (all at Bristol except one to a Twycross female which also DNS)) though I believe it was mainly bad management (diet/regime etc) though. Many other babies not related to either Delilah or Daniel died there mysteriously during the same period.

Jeremiah was a totally different matter as he was handraised, socially deprived and never with any likely chance of breeding.

The 'lethal' factor was never proved. Nasibu may undo that perhaps?
 
It should be good if the breeding purpose of Nasibu could be extended by introducing an other potential breeding female. Make the process broad from the basis, in contrast to the success at Apenheul.
 
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It should be good if the breeding purpose of Nasibu could be extended by introducing an other potential breeding female. Make the process broad from the basis, in contrast to the success at Apenheul.
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There are two other females in the Lisbon group- Bak(1984) and Ulca(1981) but I think they are probably too old to start breeding now. At present the chances are most likely only with Anguka. I agree another young female would be a good addition to this group.

'Nasibu' is very important to get offspring from as he's very unrepresented on both sides of the parents (provided the Bristol ancestry isn't a true problem)
 
I just heard female Zoezie who was transfered from Apenheul to Barcelona zooin november 2009 died on august 2010. Anybody knows what happened?
 
Ok! You're right! but for my knowledge in Barcelona any gorilla dies recently.
 
Has the new female 'Ali' come to Valencia from Ramat Gan yet? And if so did her young(inbred) son come too?
 
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There are two other females in the Lisbon group- Bak(1984) and Ulca(1981) but I think they are probably too old to start breeding now. At present the chances are most likely only with Anguka. I agree another young female would be a good addition to this group.

'Nasibu' is very important to get offspring from as he's very unrepresented on both sides of the parents (provided the Bristol ancestry isn't a true problem)
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It is a shame really that they are breeding an under-represented male with an over-represented female. However, there may be no other options so I guess they are just wanting to expand Nasibu's genes, be it with an under-represented female or not.
 
I think its mainly dependant on which Zoo needs a new male at any given time, and what females are available to make, or add to a group as to where they end up and what partners they therefore get. In Nasibu's case he was ready to leave Kolmarden (as he was a 2nd male there) at the time Lisbon needed a new male, while Anguka was supplied as an additional potential breeding female. Nasibu would have taken preference over other males to go into a male/female group because of his genetic background.

The most important thing is the un/under-represented animal does get a proper chance to breed with a suitable partner(and not just no-hopers;) )
 
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The most important thing is the un/under-represented animal does get a proper chance to breed with a suitable female(not just no-hopers;) )
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That is very true. And who knows, even if in captivity some bloodlines might be over-represented, but in the wild they are genetically valuable, and vice versa (eg. Snowflake at Barcelona, the only surviving member of his troop, although he only has 3 or so surviving offspring).
 
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eg. Snowflake at Barcelona, the only surviving member of his troop, although he only has 3 or so surviving offspring).
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He had loads of offspring but not many survived to maturity. (I don't think that had anything to do with him being white incidentally) He does have quite a few grandchildren too.

The Gorilla EEP has a ranking list of the most genetically important Gorillas to breed from- I would certainly like to see that.
 
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Has the new female 'Ali' come to Valencia from Ramat Gan yet? And if so did her young(inbred) son come too?
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Ali it's now in Valencia, (off exhibit actually) but I don't know if her son it´s with she, but I think not.
 
Thanks Keeper. Perhaps the son didn't come because they thought 'Mambie' would attack/reject him and it was better that he stayed with other Gorillas in his natal group at Ramat Gan.
 
Twycross birth.

Baby born last Monday (18th) at Twycross Zoo UK. Parents Oumbie(m) & Ozala(f). Sex not announced yet.

Of additional interest is that this is the first baby to be fathered by a male from Howletts/Port Lympne at another zoo in the UK.
 
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