GreatApeFan7
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This would be Nasibu, no? He will be arriving at Pairi Daiza in April to serve as a breeding male.
Lowland Gorillas in Europe 2022
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This would be Nasibu, no? He will be arriving at Pairi Daiza in April to serve as a breeding male.
Both Nasibu and Sango, the silverback already there, are well represented genetically. I believe that Sango has now been integrated with the two younger males which lived with Lomako until he left to go to Gaia Park, so presume Nasibu will still be the one to join with the females.
It will probably be him indeed. But it has not yet been confirmed by Pairi Daiza.
GreatApeFan7
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Sango lives in Berlin Zoo, you’re thinking of Shomari. And yeah, Nasibu is quite well represented. He was supposed to go to Orana (New Zealand) but it was cancelled because of countless delays.
An interesting coincidence here is that Nasibu is actually the uncle of Shomari (and the late Dayo). Father Akili is a full brother of Nasibu (Rebecca x Matze).
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Yes, I got the wrong 'S', Shomari not Sango as I posted.
I know a collection in Mexico that would benefit from having a silverback male. The zoo in Guadalajara with to bachelor females Faustina and Chencha. They have bred here before. EEP send a male to Jalisco unrepresented animals in captive program.
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Guadalajara is part of SSP, but Chenca was illegally imported, so SSP doesn't allow them to breed.
For goodness sakes' what a politically correct stance for not breeding and expanding the gene pool. As if the gorilla is to blame ...
How come illegal import, what is the story?
Even so, I guess it does not look good for animal welfare nor social structure and the exhibit is top notch.
GreatApeFan7
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Females Gasira from Cologne Zoo and Uzuri from Zoo Duisburg arrived at Pairi Daiza on the 24th of February. Introductions went well.
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Nasibu, who was originally scheduled to be sent to New Zealand, will apparently join them in the coming months.
GreatApeFan7
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Because they badly need to move him and don't know what else to do with him? There is currently no new bachelor group he could be fitted in to. I agree it seems a very strange choice from a genetic point of view, but sometimes other factors seem to take priority, as seems to be the case here.
The Hedgehog
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@Pertinax could a new group of Bachlour Gorillas be set up. I think Nasibu could be the Silverback and the other males could be M'bula and M'wana from Chessington,Lope and Shufai from Twycross,Gernot from London,Ikebe from Howeletts and Bakku from Belfast. These are only the Young Males from Great Britain who could form a bachelor group. If this number of Blackbacks is too much for one location they could be spread between Longleat Safari Park,Paington Zoo and Port Lympne. Even Twycross could form a Bachelor group in the original Gorilla House. As far as I am aware this building is vacant as only one Gorilla House is inhabited at Twycross
They could, although Nasibu is already being moved into a breeding troop at Loro Parque.
That's 6 suggested males there. Splitting them at least into 2 groups would work much better. All of those zoos too that you mention already have existing bachelor groups. Twycross do not have the space for a further bachelor group alongside their breeding troop.
Twycross have a bachelor group planned in their new developments, the only problem being it isn't built yet. I presume their homebred males Lope & Shufai will be the founders, perhaps with two other UK males; Baaku from Belfast and Gernot from London, who are both in the same age bracket. Its not imperative to include a silverback/senior male if one isn't available.
The problem is always time and cost to create new accomodation. Building for apes is hugely expensive and takes a long time, as you probably know. And trying to add strange males to existing established male groups doesn't always work- though sometimes it does. Depends on their relative ages usually.
Don't quite follow you here. Is that Rotterdam Nasibu (as he moved to Pairi Daizi) or another by the same name? I agree it is a bit puzzling that despite his inbreeding coefficient he is given a breeding recommendation.
@The Hedgehog stated that Nasibu from Rotterdam should join a new bachelor group. This would possibly be a better option rather than putting him as a new silverback at Loro Parque over more genetically valuable males within the region.
The problem is there isn't currently a new bachelor group being set up anywhere that he could join. Trying to add a 12/13 year old to an existing group would not be easy either, unless perhaps he was the oldest male.