Malayan Tigers in Europe

Ceylonpanther said:
Planete Sauvage has 5 tigers, 2.3 of which are too old and only one tiger is not related. Sosto zoo also has two tigers, a male and a female. I think Port. St. Pere and Natur zoo Mervent will focus on breeding Sumatran tigers, unfortunately. I would love it if at least one zoo in Europe would dare to reintroduce Malayan tigers, but the chances for that are very low. Currently, I have a list of Malayan tigers in captivity in North America, Europe, and most zoos in Asia.
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I was told recently Mervent will get Amur tigers is the near future, in a new exhibit. They may have at the same time Malayan and Amur subspecies, if Surat get old enough. He'll turn 18 this year...
 
Kifaru Bwana said:
I was not advocating for another tiger subspecific program per se, but realistically if we do want to save a unique subspecies (and mind you we already "lost" Caspian - virgata and Bali - sondaica and Javan - balica) we need all the collections prepared to hold them on board.

Yes, the European population is quite small and for part quite inbred, however if say 4-8 collections hold small groups of jacksoni under the management of North American AZA ... what is the harm in that. Mind you the genetic testing and research of the European population of Malayan - jacksoni has been conducted by our overseas compadres in the AZA SSP.

Thirdly, the export of the 2019 born sisters from Nesles to Taipeh Zoo will ensure that the SEAZA may put greater emphasis on creating that much needed regional Malayan - jacksoni and Indochinese - corbettii next to the one for Sumatran - sumatranae (mainly Indonesia + a few other countries in the region).

ATM, the SEAZA region Malayan program is promoted by Singapore Zoo, Taiping, Malaysia and a few others in Malaysia (Negara, Melaka, et al). That population needs to grow further in order to enable the less than 100 figure for the subspecies to start to recover. The Malaysian conservation authorities are in the process of creating a breeding center for release at Lanchang.
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Breeding centre is in function for a few years now and they are getting tigers from NWRC in Sungkai. They have in plans to breed them and next generations reintroduce in the wild.
 
Kifaru Bwana said:
I was not advocating for another tiger subspecific program per se, but realistically if we do want to save a unique subspecies (and mind you we already "lost" Caspian - virgata and Bali - sondaica and Javan - balica) we need all the collections prepared to hold them on board.

Yes, the European population is quite small and for part quite inbred, however if say 4-8 collections hold small groups of jacksoni under the management of North American AZA ... what is the harm in that. Mind you the genetic testing and research of the European population of Malayan - jacksoni has been conducted by our overseas compadres in the AZA SSP.

Thirdly, the export of the 2019 born sisters from Nesles to Taipeh Zoo will ensure that the SEAZA may put greater emphasis on creating that much needed regional Malayan - jacksoni and Indochinese - corbettii next to the one for Sumatran - sumatranae (mainly Indonesia + a few other countries in the region).

ATM, the SEAZA region Malayan program is promoted by Singapore Zoo, Taiping, Malaysia and a few others in Malaysia (Negara, Melaka, et al). That population needs to grow further in order to enable the less than 100 figure for the subspecies to start to recover. The Malaysian conservation authorities are in the process of creating a breeding centre for release at Lanchang.
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You do not advocate for another subspecies programme but you want a sturdy European stock of Malayan Tigers. The two things are a bit incompatible in my opinion. To have a reasonable long-term population (as you want) it must be managed in a programme (as you advocate against). Having 3 tiger programmes competing for the same limited resources in Europe will lead to 3 poor-performing programmes that in the end do not benefit tiger conservation.
Making the European population an appendix of the N American one is putting unnecessary logistical problems for something that does not bring any measurable benefits (transporting animals between continents costs money and time that should be invested in intra-continent programmes). Do we want 3 subspecies of tiger in Europe to make zoochatters happy or to contribute to tiger conservation? Americans and East Asians can easily do the job and free European breeding programmes into something else. The hard reality that we must understand is that there is not enough space for everything and decisions on what to keep or not to keep must be made.
And I will not dive into tiger taxonomy... otherwise, we will not get out of here.
 
Therabu said:
Guys, Malayan tiger population is a dead end in Europe for a while..importing a pair is hard and would only postpone the harsh reality. It is much better to focus on Siberian and Sumatran and try to send the few valuable individuals remaining, somewhere else (both Asia and USA have better-shaped population) where they can bring new genes rather than hoping that a European zoo "dare" to keep going with them, just for the sake of it.
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You nailed it! Trying to keep afloat something that will never rise to serve for anything is wasting time and resources that could perhaps be invested in helping in the creation of a breeding centre in Malaysia. Europe has the know-how, skilled professionals and money. Malaysia has the animals right there and they also need to create capacity-building of their own. You do not need to have the animals in European zoos for Europeans to actually help conserve them.
 
Vimoto said:
Does anybody have a current list about the Malayan tigers in European Zoos?
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Mervent : 1.0 Surat
Lumigny : 1.1 Sirius, Salween
Port Saint Père : 2.3 : Kawi, Tarek, Saraï, Kara, Sita
Prague : 1.1 Johann, Banya
Usti : 1.1 Bulan, Indra
Sosto : 1.1 Lampun, Reila
Hamerton : 0.1 Sahaja

As far as I know. Many are old and maybe not still alive. In French zoos they are still there.
 
Panthera9 said:
Mervent : 1.0 Surat
Lumigny : 1.1 Sirius, Salween
Port Saint Père : 2.3 : Kawi, Tarek, Saraï, Kara, Sita
Prague : 1.1 Johann, Banya
Usti : 1.1 Bulan, Indra
Sosto : 1.1 Lampun, Reila
Hamerton : 0.1 Sahaja

As far as I know. Many are old and maybe not still alive. In French zoos they are still there.
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Thank you!
 
Panthera9 said:
Mervent : 1.0 Surat
Lumigny : 1.1 Sirius, Salween
Port Saint Père : 2.3 : Kawi, Tarek, Saraï, Kara, Sita
Prague : 1.1 Johann, Banya
Usti : 1.1 Bulan, Indra
Sosto : 1.1 Lampun, Reila
Hamerton : 0.1 Sahaja

As far as I know. Many are old and maybe not still alive. In French zoos they are still there.
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I know Lampun and Reila. They have never had cubs.
 
Sorry to insist, but they didn't mentioned that in this thread...
"World Tiger Day
At Planète Sauvage, we welcome 4 Malaysian Tigers: two females on the Safari Trail and a male and a female on the pedestrian area, in the Territory of the Wild.
In these images, you can see Tarek and Saraï, the duo of the Territory of the Wild and also visible from the Lodges. Their keeper Sabrina has created an enrichment based on ice cubes made of fish and kibble! Perfect when it is a little warmer. This world day is an opportunity to discuss the conservation issues of this species. The International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN) classifies the Tiger species in the "endangered" category on the red list of threatened species. The Malaysian Tiger is one of the most endangered tiger subspecies: there are less than 250 left in the wild. The main causes of this population decline are agriculture and the extraction of certain raw materials. Tarek is also an animal to sponsor! All profits go directly to our association Planète Sauvage Nature, which supports associations around the world that work on the ground to save different animal species."
 
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