Marwell Wildlife Marwell Zoo as it stands - a depthly review

IN THE JUNGLE, THE OTHER JUNGLE ...
It has occurred to me that in the previous chapter where I mention Marwell Hall, it is only in brevity - so perhaps, here, I will try to discuss the building in more detail. The Hall was built around 1310, making it today over 700 years old. Some 140[?] metres in perimeter, it was built in the time of the Tudors, its style is typical of manor houses built during the Tudor time period. I think. Maybe before writing this bit of the review I should have consulted a Tudor historian ... anyways, in 1520, around 200 years after its construction, interestingly enough, Henry Seymour - brother of Jane Seymour, was owner of the Hall - and it is believed that Henry VIII himself married Jane at the Hall before doing various other things.
Some other people have since owned the Hall - one notable owner being the interesting character of John Gully - who is known to have, over the course of his life, fought a 64-round boxing match, trained a number of racehorses [though none of those lived on the Marwell estate] and had two wives - and twenty-four children. In 1868, the Standish family owned the estate - and currently are, and will be until the year 2037, ranked as the longest owners of the Marwell estate - owning Marwell for 65 years - until the last Standish - William Standish - died in a car accident in 1902. In 1968, the most eminent owner of Marwell hall arrived - John Knowles, who, amidst some criticism from locals who were not keen of sharing their livelihoods with wild beasts, started his zoological park. And so it was.
The Hall is certainly an impressive building - which, as far as manors built on future zoological land go, has not suffered the worst fate. When the Drayton Manor was sold in 1926, the manor was almost immediately destroyed - and a theme park was erected ... which later had a zoo as a side-attraction. In Marwell's case, the presence of a large old building on premises is not necessarily detrimental to further development, thankfully. More than could be said, seemingly, for London Zoo which has the space for good development in theory ... but much of the land is taken up by skeleton buildings which just cannot be destroyed, because the law won't allow them to.
The Hall has a nice patch of empty garden which children may use to run around in, if nothing in regards to animals. That is to say, some animals are to be found close to the Marwell Hall - in the form of small monkeys and birds - namely, Cotton-top Tamarins [according to the app though I usually don't go around this area ...] and some birds, including but probably not limited to Village Weavers, in an enclosure once for Bearded Reedlings. Both species are held in fairly standard cages. But, Marwell Hall, nice of a building as it is, is not the main reason the title was named as it was ...
The reason in question would be the exhibit 'Life Among the Trees' - where, as the title implies, tree-living animals can be found. In prior years, and up to recent times, the area, or part of it, was titled as the 'World of Lemurs' - imaginatively named for its holding of lemurs. The area was once used as Marwell Hall's kitchen gardens, if I recall correctly. And, at its 'lemur-peak', it held something of a fairly wide, taxonomically speaking, array of lemurs - Ring-Tailed Lemurs, Red-Ruffed Lemurs, Black-Ruffed Lemurs, Aloatra Gentle Lemurs, and, in a darkened enclosure, Lesser Giant Mouse Lemur. [The latter was identified by Marwell Zoo as being the Coquerel's Mouse Lemur - but it is believed that animals held as this species in Europe were actually this newer-coined species, described in 2005.] In addition to these lemurs, the fossa, a predator of lemurs, was also displayed. But alas, this fairly nice array of fairly nice species would be hammered upon with the announcement of Lemur Loop in 2016 - where the lemurs would be destined for the following year. Though, interestingly enough, whilst the Black-and-White Ruffed Lemur was held at Lemur Loop for quite some time, it seems that recently, that species was moved back to the original World of Lemurs, and supposedly the Red-Ruffed Lemur is still there as well, though I have not seen it, though some people insist it is still there. In any case, with the advent of Lemur Loop, the World of Lemurs would be absorbed into the Life Among the Trees exhibit.
The first enclosure one finds at the Life Among the Trees exhibit is a large enclosure for Siamangs. This enclosure opened in 2007 - in the years up to this enclosure's creation, the siamangs at Marwell had been relegated to a rather smaller metal-fronted cage where climbing opportunities were few in number - an enclosure worthy of photography by, perhaps, one of the people who produces harrowing images of animals behind bars in areas of low animal welfare. And so, the move in 2007 was a definite step up - and the enclosure is, from my personal aesthetic point of view, rather nice to look at, with all of the colourful flowers and attractive 'moat'. Though, as pity would have it, the siamangs are, in my experience anyway, not usually utilising this amount of space, and so may not be visible.
One main critique I recall from years prior was that the enclosure lacked something fairly noteworthy in designing an enclosure for gibbons - that is, branchiation opportunities to a meaningful degree. But, from what I see, some ropes have since been added, so perhaps that has been dealt with. Though, there is still, from my point of view, and others' - still a rather incongruous thing in the enclosure - in the rough centre, there is some attempt at replicating Hollywood's impression of 'an ancient temple with a similarly ancient tree sprouting on top of it', alongside other temple-themed architecture. And so, I feel another need to ramble about another thing I feel is worth rambling about - what I call 'Hollywood Geography' - the kind of geography and architecture found not based in reality, but in aesthetic and consumerism. I am thinking along the lines of - 'Um Bongo, Um Bongo, they drink it in the Congo.' sort of thing - the usage of real places and identities to create a malformed impression of those places and identities. But - does, one may ask, Um Bongo's advertising campaign truly reduce the percived identity of Congo indigenous tribes to a more 'primitive' state of mind? To which I answer, I think it does. I do see the appeal of 'Hollywood Geography' in zoo architecture [Amazon World Zoo Park was, during the 2000s, quite an execution of this trope!] - in that, where the Western World is concerned, the only exposure many people may get of these cultures + identities is through dramatised interpretations of it - the interpretations we see in the movies, video games, commercials - but - a zoo is a place of education, a place to portray animals' zoography in a reasonable and responsible manner - and so, Hollywood Geography, as is perhaps shown here, should be avoided when creating animal exhibits, and the cultural identities, should we talk about them, should be in as accurate a manner as possible. But at least, the rest of the exhibit works well for siamangs. In my opinion, however, the enclosure does feel as if it is building up to something larger somehow - but, it is not really - it is the only instance of its sort of thing. If the siamangs don't show themselves, there are also animals on the other side - concrete islands for Asian Short-Clawed Otter - a species ubiquitous in UK captivity, though I consider it rather cute - and Visayan Warty Pig. In Autumn, the enclosures look particularly attractive with Autumn leaves on the floor - though I can't imagine it is very much so at other times of year. In prior years, the current pig house was a viewing window with tanks for various species of rodent - including some uncommon in the UK today; [i.e. Striped Grass-Mouse] some absent from the UK today; [i.e. Pallid Jird, Reed + Levant Voles etc. ...] and some absent from Europe altogether. [i.e. Edward's Swamp Rat] Today said area offers essentially nothing for the rodent enthusiast - unless said enthusiast enjoys spending time looking at cinderblock, too.
Binturong nearby are held in the enclosure previously used for fossa - though I don't recall paying too much attention to this one. Works well, and is a nice size. And nearby begins a trail of primates with two obvious outliers - the single bokiboky the zoo has [which I still have yet to see; though I have seen the species at London and Berlin - which seem to actually have more of an active effort in cultivating the species], and the cusimanse, held in an enclosure with a good deal of wood and woodchip. And so the procession of primates in nicely-planted and sized enclosures begins - Pygmy Marmoset and Golden-Headed Lion Tamarin in one - Coppery Titi, Midas' Tamarin and Geoldi's Monkey in another [all were obtained in 2022, I believe] - Golden Lion Tamarin and White-Headed Saki in one; Cotton-Top and Emperor Tamarin in one if I recall correctly - and, lastly, the Black-and-White Ruffed Lemurs which, if I have heard reliably, are due to leave in future. [And possibly also Red-Ruffed too; if they truly are still there...] all in all, one that, although unremarkable, works nicely. And so we are done with this exhibit - which is something of a dog's breakfast in places - some parts done well, others not so much.
 
Coppery Titi Monkey and Midas Tamarin both arrived in 2021 not 2022 and if you take the trouble to look in Life Among the Trees you will see two male Red Ruffed Lemur and a pair of Black and White Lemur.
 
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THE HOME STRETCH
As one leaves behind Life Among the Trees, perhaps they find, like myself, that the walk towards the next animals is a bit 'quiet' somehow - in that the walk from these two destinations is rather devoid of animal life. The area, in prior years, seemingly had animal life here in more abundance - the 'Eco Island', which is now home only to wildflowers and passing insects, was once home to a troop of Sulawesi Crested Macaques - Marwell even, at one point, made something of a large deal of their macaques - not only did they have the animals - they also had for them a 'Macaque Study Centre'. The centre was opened in late 2011 in collaboration with Marwell and the University of Portsmouth - where, in a unique zoo exhibit, zoo visitors could see, behind a glass window, cognition scientists working with macaques as they interact with touch-screen computers. Similar experiments involving primates have been conducted before - but, prior to Marwell's construction, this had never been on public view. By all reports, the macaques were keen to show their cognitive abilities to both scientists and zoo guests - be that in the *conventional manner* or by escaping the enclosure on various occasions. So, did this innovative zoo exhibit lead to any interesting breakthroughs in the cognition of macaques?
Seemingly not - the troop would leave in 2018, under EAZA reccomendation, to Emerald Park in Ireland - at the time known as Tayto Park, after the popular brand of crisps. Elsewhere, the sound of silence continues to ring - from paddocks which, at one time, contained a variety of hoofed animals - including sitatunga, pudu, and babirusa. Enclosures which, for a variety of architectual reasons, no longer fulfill original intention - but still, their silence, to me anyways, is somewhat unnerving. Until, at last, one arrives to 'Roof of the World' - opened in 2004 as a new enclosure for Marwell's Snow Leopards, but also featuring red pandas, owls, and takin as being onshow. Today, the red pandas have since moved upwards to the Encounter Village - the takins elsewhere altogether - as have the owls. At one point, the Roof of the World held Ural, Great Grey, and Northern White-faced Scops Owl. The latter is perhaps an 'outlier' as whilst Ural and Great Grey Owls are found in the boreal forests of Europe and Asia; the Scops Owl is found in scrubbish forests of Northern to equatorial Africa - it was the last species of owl to leave Marwell, doing so in 2021. But, nearby is the main attraction - a simulated rocky outcrop complete with coniferous plants and other amenities - a nicely-done exhibit for Snow Leopards. Marwell currently only has one - named Irina.
In 2022, her companion - Indeveer, was euthanised following poor health in 2022. The name, dramatic as it is, fails to add much of significant value to the atmosphere of the exhibit - nicely done, as it is. Though, I will say - seeing as Marwell now keeps Himalayan Monal - located close to the Encounter Village - perhaps, for the sake of zoographic accuracy, it would be nice to keep the monal closer [but not too close!] to the snow leopard? In any case, this about covers, if one moves around the zoo in a similar manner to I have, the last major exhibit which one may see - barring exhibits we saw before, such as those for hippos and tapirs. The area once used for peccary and anteater has now been donated to Red River Hogs. One can catch a sight of the gift-shop with the rear end of a rhinoceros poking out as it makes a dramatic, if mislead entrance - and, if one enters the gift-shop to find the various aisles of memorabilia, they will find the head, too! And so, if one feels so inclined, they get one thing or other from the shop and head home. And so, what does one conclude?

If, one happens to conclude like me, I feel it a bit strange to have to value Marwell based on the sum of its parts directly. I feel that there have been parts of Marwell which have benefitted well from the passage of time - others, like Aridlands, have struggled in that time to find an identity. Perhaps, it helps not to think of a zoo as one unilateral thing when criticising it, but, to judge each part with individuality, and nuance. I think one fair example of this is the San Diego Zoo. There are many people on ZooChat who very much enjoy the San Diego Zoo - yet, even today, there are, in my opinion, numerous parts of the San Diego Zoo which don't make aesthetic sense, at least to me - aisles outdoors of fast food - a line of corncrib cages for monkeys - lacklustre housing for anteaters - yet, there are some parts of the San Diego Zoo which, aesthetically and otherwise, do work well - the Africa Rocks exhibit, for example, makes good use of the environment around - doing so in an attractive manner. Marwell Zoo, as other zoos, can be described as one large thing in which many smaller things co-operate - some of these things work well, others don't. But, if anything, from all of these smaller things, I see a zoo with real potential, going forward, and - if allowed - its future developments will truly be enjoyable. I, myself, look forward to what 2023, and the years going forward, will bring towards Marwell - as it proceeds into this future. I hope, perhaps, others here hope as I do.
I hope you have enjoyed reading my review on Marwell Zoo, as it currently stands.
THE END
 
ZTL lists the following mammals at Marwell:
Dasyuromorphs: Former: Kowari
Diprotodontians: Long-nosed potoroo, parma and red-necked wallabies
Formerly: Common wombat, brushtail possum, western grey kangaroo, common wallaroo
Sengis: Formerly: Round-eared sengi
Hyraxes: Formerly: Common rock hyrax
Pilosans: Linnaeus' two-toed sloth
Formerly: Giant anteater
Tree shrews: Formerly: Northern tree shrew
Primates: Ring-tailed, crowned and red-bellied lemurs, black-and-white and red ruffed lemurs, silvery and pygmy marmosets, callimico, emperor, golden-handed and cotton-top tamarins, golden and golden-headed lion tamarins, red titi , white-faced saki, siamang
Formerly: Northern giant mouse lemur, Alaotran gentle lemur, potto, Senegal galago, Geoffroy's marmoset, Illiger's saddle-backed and Geoffroy's tamarins, Bolivian and common squirrel monkeys, lemurine night monkey, crested black macaque, patas, De Brazza's, Hamlyn's and Diana monkeys, king colobus
Rodents: Formerly: Riborovski's desert and common hamsters, great Balkhan brush-tailed mouse, Gambian giant pouched rat, giant jumping rat, Southern African pouched mouse, Allen's mountain, Levant, reed and Eurasian water voles, steppe lemming, bushy-tailed, Mongolian, Persian, Shaw's and fat-tailed jirds, Flower's and Indian gerbils, Arabian and Turkish spiny mouse, Eurasian harvest mouse, Matthey's, house and mltimammate mice, black rat, Edward's swamp rat, Cape and crested porcupines, Brazilian guinea pig, Patagonian mara, capybara, Central American and red-rumped agoutis, long-tailed chinchilla, degu, red, Palas's, Prevost's and Guavaquil squirrels, Siberian chipmunk, forest African dormouse
Insectivores: Formerly: North African desert hedgehog
Bats: Formerly: Rodriguex flying fox, Seba's short-tailed tat
Cetartiodactyls: Pygmy hippopotamus, Javan chevotrain, okapi, giraffe, dorcas gazlle, Kirk's dik-dik, lowland anoa, banteng, lesser kudu, nyala, sitatunga, bongo, roan antelope, addax, Arabian, scimitar-horned and Beisa oryxes, blesbok, red river hog, Negros warty pig
Formerly: Reeves' muntjac, fallow, hog, axis, Pere David's and Indian swamp deer, sika, Javan rusa, southern pudu. blackbuck, Arabian mountain, Thomson's and dama gazelles, long-tailed goral, takin, European bison, African buffalo, nilgai, greater kudu, common eland, common waterbuck, Nile lechwe, sable antelope, gemsbok, impala, white-tailed gnu, blue and Maxwell's duikers, wild boar, common warthog, Sulawesi babirusa, ollared peccary, guanaco and vicuna
Perissodactyls: Przewalski's horse, African wild ass, plains, mountain and Grevy's zebras, Brazilian tapir, white rhinoceros
Formerly: Asiatic wild ass, Malayan tapir, black rhinoceros
Carnivores: Tiger, snow leopard, Indochinese clouded leopard, serval, ocelot, binturong,.yellow mongoose, dark cusimanse, meerkat, narrow-striped boky, Nepalese red panda, Asian small-clawed otter
Formerly: Lion, leopard, jaguar, sand and black-footed cats,northern lynx, caracal, cheetah, leopard cat,banded and dwarf mongooses, fosa, bush dog, fennec, bat-eared fox, maned wolf, African wild dog,sun bear, striped skunk, South American coati

From these, the biggest loss has been the total loss of a varied collection of rodents
 
IN THE JUNGLE, THE OTHER JUNGLE ...
It has occurred to me that in the previous chapter where I mention Marwell Hall, it is only in brevity - so perhaps, here, I will try to discuss the building in more detail. The Hall was built around 1310, making it today over 700 years old. Some 140[?] metres in perimeter, it was built in the time of the Tudors, its style is typical of manor houses built during the Tudor time period. I think. Maybe before writing this bit of the review I should have consulted a Tudor historian ... anyways, in 1520, around 200 years after its construction, interestingly enough, Henry Seymour - brother of Jane Seymour, was owner of the Hall - and it is believed that Henry VIII himself married Jane at the Hall before doing various other things.
Some other people have since owned the Hall - one notable owner being the interesting character of John Gully - who is known to have, over the course of his life, fought a 64-round boxing match, trained a number of racehorses [though none of those lived on the Marwell estate] and had two wives - and twenty-four children. In 1868, the Standish family owned the estate - and currently are, and will be until the year 2037, ranked as the longest owners of the Marwell estate - owning Marwell for 65 years - until the last Standish - William Standish - died in a car accident in 1902. In 1968, the most eminent owner of Marwell hall arrived - John Knowles, who, amidst some criticism from locals who were not keen of sharing their livelihoods with wild beasts, started his zoological park. And so it was.
The Hall is certainly an impressive building - which, as far as manors built on future zoological land go, has not suffered the worst fate. When the Drayton Manor was sold in 1926, the manor was almost immediately destroyed - and a theme park was erected ... which later had a zoo as a side-attraction. In Marwell's case, the presence of a large old building on premises is not necessarily detrimental to further development, thankfully. More than could be said, seemingly, for London Zoo which has the space for good development in theory ... but much of the land is taken up by skeleton buildings which just cannot be destroyed, because the law won't allow them to.
The Hall has a nice patch of empty garden which children may use to run around in, if nothing in regards to animals. That is to say, some animals are to be found close to the Marwell Hall - in the form of small monkeys and birds - namely, Cotton-top Tamarins [according to the app though I usually don't go around this area ...] and some birds, including but probably not limited to Village Weavers, in an enclosure once for Bearded Reedlings. Both species are held in fairly standard cages. But, Marwell Hall, nice of a building as it is, is not the main reason the title was named as it was ...
The reason in question would be the exhibit 'Life Among the Trees' - where, as the title implies, tree-living animals can be found. In prior years, and up to recent times, the area, or part of it, was titled as the 'World of Lemurs' - imaginatively named for its holding of lemurs. The area was once used as Marwell Hall's kitchen gardens, if I recall correctly. And, at its 'lemur-peak', it held something of a fairly wide, taxonomically speaking, array of lemurs - Ring-Tailed Lemurs, Red-Ruffed Lemurs, Black-Ruffed Lemurs, Aloatra Gentle Lemurs, and, in a darkened enclosure, Lesser Giant Mouse Lemur. [The latter was identified by Marwell Zoo as being the Coquerel's Mouse Lemur - but it is believed that animals held as this species in Europe were actually this newer-coined species, described in 2005.] In addition to these lemurs, the fossa, a predator of lemurs, was also displayed. But alas, this fairly nice array of fairly nice species would be hammered upon with the announcement of Lemur Loop in 2016 - where the lemurs would be destined for the following year. Though, interestingly enough, whilst the Black-and-White Ruffed Lemur was held at Lemur Loop for quite some time, it seems that recently, that species was moved back to the original World of Lemurs, and supposedly the Red-Ruffed Lemur is still there as well, though I have not seen it, though some people insist it is still there. In any case, with the advent of Lemur Loop, the World of Lemurs would be absorbed into the Life Among the Trees exhibit.
The first enclosure one finds at the Life Among the Trees exhibit is a large enclosure for Siamangs. This enclosure opened in 2007 - in the years up to this enclosure's creation, the siamangs at Marwell had been relegated to a rather smaller metal-fronted cage where climbing opportunities were few in number - an enclosure worthy of photography by, perhaps, one of the people who produces harrowing images of animals behind bars in areas of low animal welfare. And so, the move in 2007 was a definite step up - and the enclosure is, from my personal aesthetic point of view, rather nice to look at, with all of the colourful flowers and attractive 'moat'. Though, as pity would have it, the siamangs are, in my experience anyway, not usually utilising this amount of space, and so may not be visible.
One main critique I recall from years prior was that the enclosure lacked something fairly noteworthy in designing an enclosure for gibbons - that is, branchiation opportunities to a meaningful degree. But, from what I see, some ropes have since been added, so perhaps that has been dealt with. Though, there is still, from my point of view, and others' - still a rather incongruous thing in the enclosure - in the rough centre, there is some attempt at replicating Hollywood's impression of 'an ancient temple with a similarly ancient tree sprouting on top of it', alongside other temple-themed architecture. And so, I feel another need to ramble about another thing I feel is worth rambling about - what I call 'Hollywood Geography' - the kind of geography and architecture found not based in reality, but in aesthetic and consumerism. I am thinking along the lines of - 'Um Bongo, Um Bongo, they drink it in the Congo.' sort of thing - the usage of real places and identities to create a malformed impression of those places and identities. But - does, one may ask, Um Bongo's advertising campaign truly reduce the percived identity of Congo indigenous tribes to a more 'primitive' state of mind? To which I answer, I think it does. I do see the appeal of 'Hollywood Geography' in zoo architecture [Amazon World Zoo Park was, during the 2000s, quite an execution of this trope!] - in that, where the Western World is concerned, the only exposure many people may get of these cultures + identities is through dramatised interpretations of it - the interpretations we see in the movies, video games, commercials - but - a zoo is a place of education, a place to portray animals' zoography in a reasonable and responsible manner - and so, Hollywood Geography, as is perhaps shown here, should be avoided when creating animal exhibits, and the cultural identities, should we talk about them, should be in as accurate a manner as possible. But at least, the rest of the exhibit works well for siamangs. In my opinion, however, the enclosure does feel as if it is building up to something larger somehow - but, it is not really - it is the only instance of its sort of thing. If the siamangs don't show themselves, there are also animals on the other side - concrete islands for Asian Short-Clawed Otter - a species ubiquitous in UK captivity, though I consider it rather cute - and Visayan Warty Pig. In Autumn, the enclosures look particularly attractive with Autumn leaves on the floor - though I can't imagine it is very much so at other times of year. In prior years, the current pig house was a viewing window with tanks for various species of rodent - including some uncommon in the UK today; [i.e. Striped Grass-Mouse] some absent from the UK today; [i.e. Pallid Jird, Reed + Levant Voles etc. ...] and some absent from Europe altogether. [i.e. Edward's Swamp Rat] Today said area offers essentially nothing for the rodent enthusiast - unless said enthusiast enjoys spending time looking at cinderblock, too.
Binturong nearby are held in the enclosure previously used for fossa - though I don't recall paying too much attention to this one. Works well, and is a nice size. And nearby begins a trail of primates with two obvious outliers - the single bokiboky the zoo has [which I still have yet to see; though I have seen the species at London and Berlin - which seem to actually have more of an active effort in cultivating the species], and the cusimanse, held in an enclosure with a good deal of wood and woodchip. And so the procession of primates in nicely-planted and sized enclosures begins - Pygmy Marmoset and Golden-Headed Lion Tamarin in one - Coppery Titi, Midas' Tamarin and Geoldi's Monkey in another [all were obtained in 2022, I believe] - Golden Lion Tamarin and White-Headed Saki in one; Cotton-Top and Emperor Tamarin in one if I recall correctly - and, lastly, the Black-and-White Ruffed Lemurs which, if I have heard reliably, are due to leave in future. [And possibly also Red-Ruffed too; if they truly are still there...] all in all, one that, although unremarkable, works nicely. And so we are done with this exhibit - which is something of a dog's breakfast in places - some parts done well, others not so much.

There is a LOT that could be responded to here, but two points: 1310 is definitely not in the Tudor period, and Henry VIII married Jane Seymour at the Palace of Whitehall, not Marwell Hall.
 
There is a LOT that could be responded to here, but two points: 1310 is definitely not in the Tudor period, and Henry VIII married Jane Seymour at the Palace of Whitehall, not Marwell Hall.
Of course - the Tudor time period did begin about .. 175 years later ... didn't it !
My apologies ... doesn't help that online the Hall is often described as being a 'tudor hall' !
 
One main critique I recall from years prior was that the enclosure lacked something fairly noteworthy in designing an enclosure for gibbons - that is, branchiation opportunities to a meaningful degree. But, from what I see, some ropes have since been added, so perhaps that has been dealt with. .

I haven't seen this enclosure for many years now but when I did I was struck by the total lack of brachiation facilities. It is a very roomy space but the Siamangs simply couldn't utilise it. Some ropes added might have helped but if they are hanging ones they still can't use them properly apart from hanging or climbing on them. I remember a little 'rope' ladder bridge too- not much use to them either. What they really need is a series of well-spaced horizontal bars, preferably smooth pliant ones that 'give' a bit e.g. bamboo, rubber or similar, for that. Either a framework or even better, set up high right around the enclosure in a sort of cartwheel effect. Some of Monkeyworld's gibbon enclosures show a much better understanding in respect of how gibbons swing and travel. But the design of Marwell's enclosure makes adding anything like that very difficult I'd imagine and I doubt that much has changed with it.


Of course its better than the original Siamang cage, how anybody could design something so hideous for Siamangs(or any primate) is beyond me.
 
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Interesting idea for a thread and some good thoughts and insights.

I am not sure if the owl aviaries were part of Roof of the World. I believe they were already there beforehand. Roof of the World just happened to be built next to them.

One of the areas I found interesting was the speculation around Marwell's identity and I agree that in comparison to other zoos it doesn't really have one at the moment. Something I have suggested recently was that in the post Knowles era management could have used the herds of hoofstock as a marketing point, but obviously with the reduction in species and animal numbers that wouldn't work now.

Whilst thinking about it though, does the zoo really need an identity in comparison to other zoos? I would argue that it doesn't as most visitors are going to be locals and not zoo enthusiasts. Marwell does have a very large catchment area for being the local large zoo. Not only is it the only large non-specialised zoo in Hampshire, but most of the neighbouring counties are also lacking large non-specialised collections. Only Wilshire with Longleat really ticks that box. Maybe being the only large general purpose zoo for some distance is all the identity Marwell needs.
 
Interesting idea for a thread and some good thoughts and insights.

I am not sure if the owl aviaries were part of Roof of the World. I believe they were already there beforehand. Roof of the World just happened to be built next to them.

One of the areas I found interesting was the speculation around Marwell's identity and I agree that in comparison to other zoos it doesn't really have one at the moment. Something I have suggested recently was that in the post Knowles era management could have used the herds of hoofstock as a marketing point, but obviously with the reduction in species and animal numbers that wouldn't work now.

Whilst thinking about it though, does the zoo really need an identity in comparison to other zoos? I would argue that it doesn't as most visitors are going to be locals and not zoo enthusiasts. Marwell does have a very large catchment area for being the local large zoo. Not only is it the only large non-specialised zoo in Hampshire, but most of the neighbouring counties are also lacking large non-specialised collections. Only Wilshire with Longleat really ticks that box. Maybe being the only large general purpose zoo for some distance is all the identity Marwell needs.
I agree I do not think it needs any identity, what it needs is animals, at the end of twenty seventeen the total number of mammals was 263 at the end of twenty twenty one it was182, at the end of this last year it will be less, and there have been some notable deaths this last year some announced some not.
 
Hadn't realised numbers were still dropping like that.
Over the years I’ve seen Marwell get out of pheasants, waterfowl, cranes, Sulawesi Macaques……
Used to be a great specialist collection of cats and hoofstock. TBH the only bit I like now is the new tropical house
 
AMMENDMENTS AND UPDATES
Some ammendment-worthy points have came to my attention, including that the Javan Mouse Deer in the tropical house has since died, as has, apparently, the entirety of the leafcutter ant colony - though I have been assured that plans are to restock the latter species.
As well as the gaffes noted in the thread already - apparently Into Africa was called by that title since its opening in 2000, and the 2009 rebranding did little to change this.
I have heard of developments slated for this year - namely around the old bat-eared fox + ocelot area, which iirc was funded as part of a carnivore campaign in the early 2000s to bring new carnivore enclosures to Marwell. I believe Roof of the World was part of that campaign, opening in 2004, and so is the only remnant of that still around today. Whatever it is that will be moving into the enclosure afterwards, I look forward to its arrival.
So do I look forward in what will be Marwell's next-newest major exhibit - as in Summer 2023, the old Tropical World will open to visitors once again, as 'Thriving Through Nature', which, by all accounts will be completely different in design compared to its predecessor - which is, at time of writing, being stripped 'back to a blank canvas'. The theme appears to be that which suggests a 'semi-desert oasis' - with somewhat warm temperatures, though - if the announcement is anything to go by, Marwell's thus-far most recent major exhibit will be a scenic one, decorated with waterfalls and 'rocks to squeeze through', as well as herbs, palms, and other semi-desert plants. In regards to animals, Rock Hyrax thus far are the only confirmed species, though the announcement also makes mention of freshwater fish, insects, lizards and amphibians - 'lots of scampering critters sure to thrill guests of all ages'. The development is slated to open in Summer 2023 - and so, its construction will certainly be interesting to behold - and even more so will be the end result.
I believe, when I visit Marwell again in late 2023, the various developments made over the course of this year will be interesting, and enjoyable, to behold. I hope you will be interested in reading another chapter ...
 

A few of the Lion Tamarin enclosure when new - Aug 2007. Can't find anything older than this. I probably ignored this area when it only held domestics.
I would be interested in seeing more 2000s pictures!
Big cats perhaps?
 
I'll dig some more out....

Worth checking the older pages of the Marwell gallery too.
 
I just had a look at the Marwell gallery - and there's plenty of old stuff on there that will likely interest you (some of it mine). Go to last page first (Page 131 currently) and work backwards.
 
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