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Do you mean that you think Marwell will keep thinning down the mammal collection & adding nothing?!
At least London has an excuse due to lack of space- Marwell is one of the largest zoos in the country!

I think the problem is a lack of direction at Marwell and the old John Knowles times have long gone.They do not talk of any new species at Marwell, By the way the male somalia ass has died,I think Woburn also lost there male as well.the 3 young born in the last year will move on,Marwell may also send some Nyala of which they have about 12 to Whipsnade who used to have them but I dont think do now.
 
I think the problem is a lack of direction at Marwell and the old John Knowles times have long gone.They do not talk of any new species at Marwell, By the way the male somalia ass has died,I think Woburn also lost there male as well.the 3 young born in the last year will move on,Marwell may also send some Nyala of which they have about 12 to Whipsnade who used to have them but I dont think do now.

Interesting! Marwell's loss would appear to be Whipsnade's gain!
 
And one is unlikely to remain connected in the right circles if they post offrecord information freely - especially information which can cause problems for this website and the zoo, as one allegation you made would.

Who said it was off the record?

I know staff at 'many' collections use this forum, but this is no social media outlet and they do not use it to announce births/deaths or any other information.

I read this forum bi-daily and I see a lot of zoo get a massive slating on whats going on, the animals are declining and nothings coming into the park, but do you stop and think why? no you don't. You don't see the back ground work and information that goes into a breeding program. The zoo's don't own the animals, they just care for them and hopefully give them an environment in which to breed, and when that doesn't happen EEP wants them to be moved to another park where they can breed. Do you honestly think any park/zoo is going to openly admit that? Nope.

If people can't be bothered to ask questions about the animals when they are at a zoo/park, then you will never find out whats going on.

The problem with censorship is knowing when to use it, and when you 'edit' what is common knowledge. I think because 'other' forum posters have not posted anything about what I said, mainly because they don't know and haven't been to the zoo to ask and thus wouldn't know and they just seem to go off conjecture and hear say.
 
No I mean that most collecting will have to lose some species to create better exhibits for their current stock. Obviously the amount they have lost recently are quite a few but they still maintain a good stock and should hopefully try to add a few more in the near future

London didn't lose its elephants, rhino or many of the other species as a result of some sort of masterplan! London had to get rid of them, as keeping such species would be unacceptable in the 21st century in a zoo of only 36 acres! What is Marwell's excuse? There isn't one! Every time a new series of posts appear on here on the Marwell thread, it's because yet ANOTHER species or 3, or more are leaving. The board must go, starting with the man at the top!
 
What may be common knowledge to one user on this site,might be considered off the record news by another,that they feel should not be posted,but when its news that could be misconstrued by people as to what has happened and more to the point why its happened,then personally I wouldn't post it at all and I certainly wouldn't if it was something that could give CRAPS (Should be CAPS but its sounds and fits them alot better with the R in it) ammunition to get on there all zoo's are bad horse then it should be kept off the forum.
So to end yes I think the Mods should be allowed to edit post's if it is deemed by the Mod team,that what has been posted could cause the user or the site a problem,as I firmly believe at somepoint in the future somebody WILL take issue with something that has been posted and take legal action agains't the site!!
 
Zoogiraffe, I hear what your saying and I do fear that one day someone will take action.
But what I said is common knowledge at the zoo, sadly and clearly no one else seems to know, thats a shame.
 
Zoogiraffe, I hear what your saying and I do fear that one day someone will take action.
But what I said is common knowledge at the zoo, sadly and clearly no one else seems to know, thats a shame.
It may well be common knowledge to those people that visit regularly and staff know,but I am willing to bet not many people that aren't regulars at Marwell even have the faintest idea whats happened,I do as I know a few people at Marwell but I would never dream of posting something like that on here as its the sort of thing that CRAPS likes to have a field day with!!
 
(Black Wildebeest and the soon-to-be Takin both particularly sad losses),

Wait! when did the wildebeest go? I missed that one.....

One of my other great loves in life, other than zoos, is Portsmouth Football Club (for those who do not know English geography, Portsmouth are the only top level football team in the county of Hampshire, home also to Marwell).

A few years ago, Portsmouth's owner - a Russian arms dealer - sold up to a Saudi 'billionaire' who didn't actually exist. From then, until last summer, it was fun and games all the way. Each week brought a new indignity. Another player sold. The St. John's Ambulance not paid. Another player sold. The youth team disbanded. Another player sold. Points deducted. Another player sold. New Baltic owners revealed as crooks and fraudtsers. Another player sold. It was all rather depressing - and now zoo is imitating football club! If a gentleman from the Middle East turns up! announcing that he is going to restore marwell's premier league status, be very afraid!
 
Wait! when did the wildebeest go? I missed that one.....

One of my other great loves in life, other than zoos, is Portsmouth Football Club (for those who do not know English geography, Portsmouth are the only top level football team in the county of Hampshire, home also to Marwell).

A few years ago, Portsmouth's owner - a Russian arms dealer - sold up to a Saudi 'billionaire' who didn't actually exist. From then, until last summer, it was fun and games all the way. Each week brought a new indignity. Another player sold. The St. John's Ambulance not paid. Another player sold. The youth team disbanded. Another player sold. Points deducted. Another player sold. New Baltic owners revealed as crooks and fraudtsers. Another player sold. It was all rather depressing - and now zoo is imitating football club! If a gentleman from the Middle East turns up! announcing that he is going to restore marwell's premier league status, be very afraid!

At least he might sack the management team! Moyes was only given 10 months to mess up Manchester United, the management at Marwell have had years to ruin it, they're still doing it and will keep on doing it if someone doesn't stop them!
As for Marwell's Premier League status, that has long gone. They're just about clinging on in league one & the conference beckons in a few years.
 
a little knowledge goes a long way in the wrong hands, people think they know what they don't know, from the inside people are fire fighting but from the outside all you see is in fighting. Everything is not how you see it, believe me.

Portsmouth FC, longest holders of the FA cup!!
 
Wait! when did the wildebeest go? I missed that one.....

One of my other great loves in life, other than zoos, is Portsmouth Football Club (for those who do not know English geography, Portsmouth are the only top level football team in the county of Hampshire, home also to Marwell).

A few years ago, Portsmouth's owner - a Russian arms dealer - sold up to a Saudi 'billionaire' who didn't actually exist. From then, until last summer, it was fun and games all the way. Each week brought a new indignity. Another player sold. The St. John's Ambulance not paid. Another player sold. The youth team disbanded. Another player sold. Points deducted. Another player sold. New Baltic owners revealed as crooks and fraudtsers. Another player sold. It was all rather depressing - and now zoo is imitating football club! If a gentleman from the Middle East turns up! announcing that he is going to restore marwell's premier league status, be very afraid!

Those of us who regard the 1974 boundary changes as blasphemy would also include Bournemouth. And (ducking for cover) the winners of the 1976 FA Cup are indubitably in Hampshire...;)
 
Wait! when did the wildebeest go? I missed that one.....

Some months ago now, they went to Newquay which had the other imported pair, so both original pairs are now together(presumably) at Newquay.

I know next to nothing about Football, but living in the South you can't very well miss the on-going saga of Portsmouth Football club.:rolleyes:
 
The zoo's don't own the animals, they just care for them and hopefully give them an environment in which to breed, and when that doesn't happen EEP wants them to be moved to another park where they can breed.

That presumably doesn't explain the loss of species that have bred there, like the Black wildebeest and Takin though?
 
That presumably doesn't explain the loss of species that have bred there, like the Black wildebeest and Takin though?

To many animals at Marwell are in no breeding situations,sable sitatunga,Female groups,Roan,nyala pecccary,no they wont breed them,ring tailed lemurs,all male group,cheetah 2 sisters,the same ocelot,camels 2 males,no I agree it wrong just to breed for young animals to show people but at least lets look at why we keep some of these species.
 
Well, I've said it before and I'll say it again-Marwell is set on land which is part of the building extension plan for Hampshire and would be worth a fortune to developers.

My theory-it's deliberately being run down until the point where it's no longer financially viable, the majority of acres are sold off and possibly a 'pocket zoo' remains containing
Ring Tailed Lemurs and Meerkats centred around an 'Activity Centre' for Fat Cats to have corporate jollys at.
 
The relevant pages from it dealing with JMK's departure were posted on a previous Marwell thread on the Forum some while ago.

Have rooted the relevant post out again:

Building work commenced in July 1998 shortly after my retirement from the directorship in April of that year. By that time I was 68 years old and although I did not feel it, and every dawning day was as fresh and exciting as ever, I felt that I had a duty to what I had created to ensure that it would not be imperilled by anything that might happen to me. I moved from being the director to (I always preferred that traditional title for zoo bosses to fancier ones now so often employed) to honorary director, retaining my role in conservation activities outside the park.
My first successor, Dr Miranda Stevenson, resigned after some two years and has since become very successful as Director of BIAZA, formally Federation of Zoological Gardens of Great Britian and Ireland. It was then that I returned to the full time post of Director, until after an extensive number of interviews, Mark Edgerley, until then Vice-chairman of the Marwell Preservation Trust (MPT), assumed the directorship. When he resigned, Lynne Stafford who's career at Marwell has begun in 1986 when she became my secretary and who by her own talents had risen to become deputy director, took the reins as acting director. A post which she managed extremley well until James Cretney was appointed as Chief Executive in July 2005
Looking back at that time I can see that the then board of trustee's was developing a feeling that the Knowles Influence was something to be reduced or eliminated. The new Chief Executive who did not come from the world of zoo's and conservation had been appointed with help of headhunters and I suspect had been lead to believe that Marwell needed major business surgery. Initially I was able to assist him by showing him exacly where the Marwell boundaries were and donating land still in my possession to the trust. I facilitated the merger of the society and the trust, which was a logical step forward by this time with Marwell's improving finances and inaugrated an ethics commitee which had then become a zoo licence requirement.
For many years I had enjoyed a happy and constructive relationship with the two chairman who served throughout my directorship of the trust, beginning with Tim Walker who took that office at the time of the trusts formation and held it until his tragic and premature death in 1988 and then with Nick Jonas who stepped into that unexpected breach and filled it very well. Trustee's served a three year term which were renewable at there expiry date with the provision that they retired at the end of the term that they turned 70 years old. This meant that by 2006 Nick Jonas had retired and although he was made president because of his great support this was a non voting post. Also gone by this time were all of the trustee's who had supported me through good and bad years and blessed me with their faith.
Naively, I still believed that the newer trustee's, many of whom I did not know well would still believe in my judgement and have some respect for my views. Sadly I was very wrong. At the last trustee meeting that I attended, James Cretney made it clear that Lynne Stafford was to be jettisoned and that he intended with a new team in every non-animal department.
At that meeting I realised that to put in plainly, I too was part of a history destined to be swept away "modernity" This feeling was soon reinforced when the board chose to support a man whom I had nurtured from studenthood into the postition of head of Conservation and Wildlife Management, but who had for sometime sought to escape my authority and destroy initiatives that I had espoused. This happend at a meeting I could not attend, but to which I submitted a paper requesting with sound reasons that Marwell should continue to support my Swaziland initiave by sending one more shipment of Roan Antelope to that country. In my absense the board was told that doing so would violate guidelines imposed by the Roan studbook keeper and EAZA, WAZA and Marwell should not discredit itself by doing so. The opputunity to fufill one of the often-stated reasons for zoos breeding endangered species was denied. The board sent me a very clear message by supporting a staff member rather than myself. In November 2006 I wrote to the then Chairman, James Weatherall resigning my own and Margaret's (Knowles) connections from that which was the result of our life endeavours.
 
That presumably doesn't explain the loss of species that have bred there, like the Black wildebeest and Takin though?

a zoo can lose animals in many ways;
the studbook keeper can relocate them to a different collection at any time - notice is given. This does happen more than you think.

The collection can say, this animal doesn't fit in with our yadder yadder, we no longer think it fits in with our yadder yadder.
or some big money sponsor can say that they want an animal species in another collection, bank roll the enclosure etc and it doesn't really matter what the other collection thinks, the studbook says what happens.
 
a zoo can lose animals in many ways;
the studbook keeper can relocate them to a different collection at any time - notice is given. This does happen more than you think.

The collection can say, this animal doesn't fit in with our yadder yadder, we no longer think it fits in with our yadder yadder.
or some big money sponsor can say that they want an animal species in another collection, bank roll the enclosure etc and it doesn't really matter what the other collection thinks, the studbook says what happens.

So, it's all down to the studbook holders that Marwell have lost around 30 mammal species in 5-6 years then!?!
Even if that were true, it doesn't explain why nothing new has been added!
It's quite clear from TLD's quote from John Knowles' book who is to blame. Some of the excuses being made are worse than feeble!
 
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