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I hasten to add that although this could spell the end of Miami seaquarium, it’s also a massive opportunity, if they’re willing and able to take it. I guess we have to wait and see.
If any collection is to take after this concept, I don't really think it will be Miami.... it hasn't been architectually altered in a significant way in years now. And I'm not sure if there's room to expand...
So now 5 days until ground zero. We shall have to wait and see what comes out on the 15th!
 
Unfortunately, the Seaquarium has a plethora of issues even if they were to fix everything with their cetaceans. Infrastructure, overcrowded holding for non-cetaceans, and several more USDA violations. From what I understand, new ownership had AZA aspirations at the start. However, their inability to adhere to the bare minimum guidelines is telling.
 
From what I understand, new ownership had AZA aspirations at the start. However, their inability to adhere to the bare minimum guidelines is telling.

I can only imagine how much money and effort it would take to get the facility to AZA standards from the photos and USDA reports. Judging from the way things have gone, it sadly seems the idea of striving for the high standards fell off quite quickly. I can't say I'm holding out on everything going well on the 15th...
 
Looking back through this thread, I don't see a discussion about the USDA report from July 2022. This report made me so sick and so upset for the animals at this "zoo." The director of animal training instructed the trainers, without consultation from the (very limited) vet staff, to cut the diets of their dolphins by as much as 60% in order to get them to participate more in the interactions and swims they sell by the dozens each day. Some dolphins when from eating 12 pounds of fish each day to just 4. They were observed losing weight with bones showing, and were eating/biting forgien objects and demonstrating aggressive/abnormal behavior.

One of the main arguments that people use against cetacean captivity is "they starve the animals so they'll perform." In the civilized zoological world, that has always been such a misreprsentation of the truth without any understanding of operant conditioning. But Miami Seaquarium, in their unending quest to be as problematic and half-baked as possible, went above and beyond to make that hyperbole a reality at their park. Any respecatble facility at the very minumum feeds their animals an appropriate diet.

Beyond the direct cruelty this hands down to their individual animals, this is also a devastating show of carelessness and disrespect towards proper zoological facilities that are fighting for their social license to operate and are so desperately trying to educate the public that the animals are indeed well cared for and loved. It shows that this facility cares nothing about their own animals' welfare, the greater good of conservation, or the livlihoods of real people across dozens of facilities around the world. This is one of the most disturbing things I have read about any major facility in North America, and I'm stunned and saddened that MSQ is still American Humane and AMMPA certified. This place is far from humane.
 

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I'm stunned and saddened that MSQ is still American Humane and AMMPA certified. This place is far from humane.
When that report came out, I completely lost my respect for American Humane, the Alliance of Marine Mammal Parks and Aquariums, and the International Marine Animal Trainers Association. I maintained a small zoology-themed blog on Tumblr then, and I tried to rally some of my followers to send emails to AH, AMMPA, and IMATA about why they hadn't revoked their accreditation from a facility that has failed inspections so many times and treats its animals extremely cruelly, but I never heard back from any of those groups. I can't find mention of MSQ being a member on IMATA's website anymore, but they're still listed as members on the websites of AH's Humane Conservation program and AMMPA :(
 
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Looking back through this thread, I don't see a discussion about the USDA report from July 2022. This report made me so sick and so upset for the animals at this "zoo." The director of animal training instructed the trainers, without consultation from the (very limited) vet staff, to cut the diets of their dolphins by as much as 60% in order to get them to participate more in the interactions and swims they sell by the dozens each day. Some dolphins when from eating 12 pounds of fish each day to just 4. They were observed losing weight with bones showing, and were eating/biting forgien objects and demonstrating aggressive/abnormal behavior.

One of the main arguments that people use against cetacean captivity is "they starve the animals so they'll perform." In the civilized zoological world, that has always been such a misreprsentation of the truth without any understanding of operant conditioning. But Miami Seaquarium, in their unending quest to be as problematic and half-baked as possible, went above and beyond to make that hyperbole a reality at their park. Any respecatble facility at the very minumum feeds their animals an appropriate diet.

Beyond the direct cruelty this hands down to their individual animals, this is also a devastating show of carelessness and disrespect towards proper zoological facilities that are fighting for their social license to operate and are so desperately trying to educate the public that the animals are indeed well cared for and loved. It shows that this facility cares nothing about their own animals' welfare, the greater good of conservation, or the livlihoods of real people across dozens of facilities around the world. This is one of the most disturbing things I have read about any major facility in North America, and I'm stunned and saddened that MSQ is still American Humane and AMMPA certified. This place is far from humane.
I must admit that I had never seen this report before. But by gracious, there is a first for everything...
It's one thing to retaliate common myths with no respect to their causes... and another thing to carry out the myth behind the scenes.
Almost makes one skeptical about what was happening with Lolita even...
 
Miami-Dade to issue Miami Seaquarium new Notice of Default after shortage of ‘trained employees’
The 15th has passed... and the Seaquarium is still behind in several regards.

Can't say I'm surprised unfortunately... wonder what happens now. Thumbed around looking at Seaquarium jobs and found 15 listings, including multiple keeper positions, animal manager, a curator, trainers, and the associate vet, besides non animal related ones.

the Alliance of Marine Mammal Parks and Aquariums

Having read their accreditation standards, the Seaquarium would fail pretty easily. Why they haven't yet I've no idea. I do know the AMMPA manages Bottlenose Dolphins so maybe there'ssomething there.

Almost makes one skeptical about what was happening with Lolita even...

According to USDA reports, what the facility released to the press was not necessarily accurate concerning her. The health issues are documented by USDA starting in 2021 and they received multiple citations over her care and facilities, ending up resulting in the ultimatum of stop shows and put Lolita off exhibit or lose their exhibitor's license. The previous owners chose the former, and as more recent reports showed, the facilities did not improve. The new company has done just as badly handling the Seaquarium to the point animals are now being removed and they are being given notice by the city. I'm not sure what's next for the Seaquarium, but I don't think the current owners are doing the facility any good.
 
Almost makes one skeptical about what was happening with Lolita even...

There was also the (I believe) 2021 report in which it was shown she was being fed rotten fish in conjunction with a reduced diet. Truly deplorable by the management. I really don't know how their actions haven't gotten them shut down in the past (perhaps the conundrum of what will happen to Tokitae is what kept anyone from really dropping the hammer on the Seaquarium). Now that it's reached the 15th and reports of a default notice are coming out, the end of the Seaquarium is seemingly near.

In the scenario that the Seaquarium really does bite the dust, what will happen to the remaining animals? I assume the fish, reptiles, and birds would be transferred to other zoos and facilities. For the dolphins (and maybe seals and sea lions?) I would think they'd try to transfer them to other Dolphin Company owned facilities.
 
I assume the fish, reptiles, and birds would be transferred to other zoos and facilities.

Yeah most likely, assuming another company isn't brought in to manage the facility instead.

For the dolphins (and maybe seals and sea lions?) I would think they'd try to transfer them to other Dolphin Company owned facilities.

I feel they'd get a lot of heat for moving them to another facility owned by them at this point. We'll have to wait and see.
 
I feel they'd get a lot of heat for moving them to another facility owned by them at this point. We'll have to wait and see.

Perhaps, but their other facilities don't seem to garner much controversy and seem to have much better standards of care. Notably, Gulf World is trusted with the rescue and care of rarer dolphin species, such as their rough-toothed dolphins, so I wouldn't count a transfer to one of their other facilities out.
 
USDA somewhat disagrees - GulfWorld has recurring non-criticals for facilities in disrepair since 2016 and the occasional inappropriate husbandry observed. The glaring food and training issues at the Seaquarium are indeed absent however.
My bad. I wasn’t aware of these issues though as you said they seem to be to a much lesser degree than MSQ. I guess if the dolphins do end up being relocated SeaWorld is the obvious choice.
 
Sundance, a 30 year old male bottlenose dolphin died after showing signs of illness the day prior. This is the same dolphin that attacked a trainer during a show last year. It’s well known by now that the veterinary staff is stretched thin and has stopped doing routine check ups at the Seaquarium. I wonder if they’d be able to catch his illness sooner and give him a better chance if they had a proper amount of veterinary staff.

https://amp.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article283592308.html
 
Oh very likely - they've had multiple reports now of being nearly too late or too late with veterinary care. This needs to end...
What I find sad is that as a result of misdirected anger now SeaWorld has been the one forced to change the greatest.
And I will not claim the way SW does things is perfect, and they should've known that Tilikum wasn't the kind of orca suited for performances... but it is still far from the worst place for marine mammals.
There are people, myself included, dissatisfied with the way that the Seaquarium does things. But unfortunately SeaWorld is the larger name with the larger shadow... regardless of which one is worse-off.
In my ideals, all zoological facilities ought to have a set of full-time veterinarians. And if it can't be done in house, then there always has to be the possibility of it being done at a third-party facility. And the fact they very visibly failed this dolphin's life in such an absence disgusts me...
[note: I speak as someone who is broadly pro-cap]
 
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