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I was at the zoo yesterday evening, and the bats were still there.

There was a sign in the Dhole yurt that they had moved the coyotes (or at least one of them) there. This seems to have been a very recent move according to the volunteers who stopped into the yurt. Anyone who was there last night (or will be there somewhat soon), feel free to corroborate and/or correct me.

It is a bit sad if they decide to not try to acquire any Dhole and have all of the interpretive material go away. At least the coyotes will enjoy the space so it will not sit empty for over a decade, and who knows, depending on how long-term and complete of a move this is, the wolves at the Minnesota Trail could make use of the coyote's space.
Since you were at the zoo recently, do you remember how many takins, langurs, red river hogs, colobuses, and radiated tortoises you saw? When I was there, there were no colobuses on-exihibit and only two each of the radiated tortoises, langurs, and takins viewable.

I hope they still have all of the education displays in storage and that the coyotes aren't a permanent replacement. Dholes were one of the highlights of the zoo and coyotes are not only already in another enclosure but are not an appropriate replacement when maned wolves and anteaters could be a possibility or even more dholes. Unfortunately, the director seems to have no sense in what makes the Minnesota Zoo a zoo and has more interest in making natural experiences that supporting the zoo's collection.


In other very exciting news, the female Eurasian wolverine gave birth to two kits. While I continue to have a negative opinion of the zoo as of late for its current trajectory, I can not deny that this gives me a renewed sense of admiration for the work that is done at the zoo.

From Facebook:
"Earlier this year, Zola, a Eurasian wolverine, gave birth to two kits. Nolan Schlichter, a Zoo leader in wolverine care, says, “With seven kits born at three AZA zoos, this is the most successful year in a very long time.” Get a peek at the kits’ two-month vet checkup and learn how the Minnesota Zoo is involved in the care and conservation of this species: Tenacious Two: Wolverine Kits Thriving at the Minnesota Zoo - Minnesota Zoo"
 
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Since you were at the zoo recently, do you remember how many takins, langurs, red river hogs, colobuses, and radiated tortoises you saw? When I was there, there were no colobuses on-exihibit and only two each of the radiated tortoises, langurs, and takins viewable.

I hope they still have all of the education displays in storage and that the coyotes aren't a permanent replacement. Dholes were one of the highlights of the zoo and coyotes are not only already in another enclosure but are not an appropriate replacement when maned wolves and anteaters could be a possibility or even more dholes. Unfortunately, the director seems to have no sense in what makes the Minnesota Zoo a zoo and has more interest in making natural experiences that supporting the zoo's collection.

Be warned since last evening was quite crowded and on a tight timetable (5:30PM-8:30PM) since it was an adult evening, and I was with a friend so my pace was not a slow as usual. Also some animals may have moved to holding given how late it was.
  • Langur: Off-display, but this is by animal choice. Signage indicates that they have the choice to venture on exhibit due to recovery from recent health-issues.
  • Takin: At least two adults out on exhibit.
  • Red River Hogs: Not seen on exhibit
  • Colobus: Two adults who were on exhibit briefly before deciding to go backstage
  • Radiate Tortoise: No exact count (typically do not spend much time looking at them), but all of the tortoise exhibits were populated by at least one tortoise. I did see a Bali Mynah in their aviary, which was the first time I had seen one in a while
  • Prairie Dogs: Two traps. Since they're working on the boardwalk, they decided to move all of the prairie dogs off exhibit for the time being. Apparently they left a couple traps to catch any prairie dogs they missed. I hadn't thought about it, but it makes sense that they could only really use traps to move them all out.
  • Wild boar: signage indicates that they were off exhibit, but didn't seem to indicate they were out of the collection. Maybe they changed signage since the last update made its way here, or maybe I am just a terrible reader.
Yeah, I don't quite know how to feel about the zoo. Latest decisions and the revealed master plan make it seem like leadership doesn't want to run a zoo. It seems weird that their latest masterplan wanted to move towards more a of park when Lebanon Hills, a very large regional park is essentially next door and doesn't require $20 tickets and a parking fee to enter.

This de facto reduction in scope seems especially at-odds with how the zoo is funded by the state. If even after funding a state zoo, people still have to go to Wisconsin, Chicago, or Omaha to see zoos with both a large amount of land and ABCs, and people in the Twin Cites have access to a zoo that is unsupported by the state which has many more ABCs as well as much more expansive income and transit access and also wants to be a zoo, why would legislators, donors, and constituents want to advocate for more funds to a zoo that doesn't indicate its plans to improve its collection or access to it, has failed to uphold promises when it receives money from the legislature to maintain its collection (dolphins, even if it was the right decision for animal welfare), and instead signals that it doesn't want to be what taxpayers are funding it to be?
 
I was at the zoo yesterday evening, and the bats were still there.

There was a sign in the Dhole yurt that they had moved the coyotes (or at least one of them) there. This seems to have been a very recent move according to the volunteers who stopped into the yurt. Anyone who was there last night (or will be there somewhat soon), feel free to corroborate and/or correct me.

It is a bit sad if they decide to not try to acquire any Dhole and have all of the interpretive material go away. At least the coyotes will enjoy the space so it will not sit empty for over a decade, and who knows, depending on how long-term and complete of a move this is, the wolves at the Minnesota Trail could make use of the coyote's space.
Are there still Coyotes on the Minnesota Trail? I think that's a really good exhibit for them so it's sad that would sit empty.
 
Be warned since last evening was quite crowded and on a tight timetable (5:30PM-8:30PM) since it was an adult evening, and I was with a friend so my pace was not a slow as usual. Also some animals may have moved to holding given how late it was.
  • Langur: Off-display, but this is by animal choice. Signage indicates that they have the choice to venture on exhibit due to recovery from recent health-issues.
  • Takin: At least two adults out on exhibit.
  • Red River Hogs: Not seen on exhibit
  • Colobus: Two adults who were on exhibit briefly before deciding to go backstage
  • Radiate Tortoise: No exact count (typically do not spend much time looking at them), but all of the tortoise exhibits were populated by at least one tortoise. I did see a Bali Mynah in their aviary, which was the first time I had seen one in a while
  • Prairie Dogs: Two traps. Since they're working on the boardwalk, they decided to move all of the prairie dogs off exhibit for the time being. Apparently they left a couple traps to catch any prairie dogs they missed. I hadn't thought about it, but it makes sense that they could only really use traps to move them all out.
  • Wild boar: signage indicates that they were off exhibit, but didn't seem to indicate they were out of the collection. Maybe they changed signage since the last update made its way here, or maybe I am just a terrible reader.
Yeah, I don't quite know how to feel about the zoo. Latest decisions and the revealed master plan make it seem like leadership doesn't want to run a zoo. It seems weird that their latest masterplan wanted to move towards more a of park when Lebanon Hills, a very large regional park is essentially next door and doesn't require $20 tickets and a parking fee to enter.

This de facto reduction in scope seems especially at-odds with how the zoo is funded by the state. If even after funding a state zoo, people still have to go to Wisconsin, Chicago, or Omaha to see zoos with both a large amount of land and ABCs, and people in the Twin Cites have access to a zoo that is unsupported by the state which has many more ABCs as well as much more expansive income and transit access and also wants to be a zoo, why would legislators, donors, and constituents want to advocate for more funds to a zoo that doesn't indicate its plans to improve its collection or access to it, has failed to uphold promises when it receives money from the legislature to maintain its collection (dolphins, even if it was the right decision for animal welfare), and instead signals that it doesn't want to be what taxpayers are funding it to be?
I wholeheartedly agree with you on this. The exodus of species in the past few years is on par with similar instances at Detroit and Marwell seen in the past decade. Musk Ox, Dholes, Goitered Gazelles, Egyptian Fruit Bats, Grey-Winged Trumpeters, Red-Throated Barbets, Small-Clawed Otters, Warty Pigs, Red Pandas, and Transcaspian Urials are just a few of the many species phased out within just the last three years, with many other species down to just 1-2 individuals (Takin, Red River Hog, Silvery Langur, Colobus, Wild Boar, Monk Seal, Tamandua).

The Treetops Trail looks like a nice replacement for the old monorail, but I don't really see how an elevated walkway over the forest is going to attract a lot of visitors. If anything, people will most likely be annoyed by the extra walking required to do the trail. The Dino Hideout could have been successful, but it opened without any announcement and had zero marketing to back it up. I bet most visitors don't even know it's there. And was all of this really more important that the multiple empty and repeat exhibits scattered around the zoo, not to mention the unstable infrastructure around the Main Building.

I understand the zoo is going through some hard times financially, but this just seems like complete overkill. I really want the zoo to succeed, It's been like a second home for me my whole life, but I don't think the current management is doing a good job at turning the zoo around. After all, people go to the zoo to see animals, not to go rock climbing or go on an elevated walkway. I get that things like these are necessary for a zoo to function nowadays, but you shouldn't base your entire future plans on just these extra amenities. If the zoo continually disappoints with its major projects/decisions & continues to rapidly downsize the collection, I struggle to see why the state would be keen on funding the zoo at all.
 
I can't help but wonder if this will continue with a future director. The one thing I want from the Minnesota Zoo right now is a new director because the current leader doesn't seem to understand what a zoo is. I find myself imagining what could be done to the Minnesota Zoo to amend the recent decline and also improve it beyond what it once was. The Llama Trek gets more and more tedious every year, and while interesting and somewhat attractive for the first year or two, with many experiences no longer offered, it is really quite awful. Bringing back giraffes, zebras, ostriches, wildebeest, and antelope for a year would be a great change of pace. When an animal passes, I wish the zoo would immediately find a replacement for it. I don't care if it is an ambassador animal (as long as the arrangement isn't permanent) but they shouldn't leave the enclosure empty for literally years or replace it with an animal already at the zoo. I will likely not walk on the Treetops Trail for the first few years that its open because my grandparents enjoy going with me but could never walk however many miles that is in addition to the paths that already exist.

I cannot understand why they would ever renovate the monorail track without adding a showstopper that can't be seen from anywhere else. So what, they talk about adding a wild goat species and some deer (and never even fallow through with it, anyway)? What is that going to do? No one goes to the zoo and says "I'd like to see some deer and wild goats." For a cheaper cost, the zoo could have converted the bison field for multiple Indian rhinoceroses with a huge indoor holding and viewing pavilion. While the rhinoceroses couldn't be outside for five to six months of the year, really large dayrooms (which the zoo most certainly has room for) that allow guests to get really close to the rhinoceroses would mitigate the problem.

Every year, the zoo has a challenge for elementary school classes to try and design better enclosures for the animals, but I would guess most of the expansions and renovations aren't even considered to be anything other than a challenge for little kids. I suppose, if all of the coyotes have been moved to the former dhole enclosure, some of the wolves could have access to the coyote enclosure on the Minnesota Trail when they so frequently publicize the current wolf enclosure as being too small, but that will probably never happen.

Simple enclosures for Steller's sea eagles in the Russia's Grizzly Coast area and meerkats near the Mussel Cabin would be nice improvements and the meerkats could be huge draws. Hardly anybody goes to the Mussel Cabin because they either never follow that path or just don't care about it. Adding a meerkat enclosure there isn't to far away for it to be out of the way, and it also attracts people to the Mussel Cabin.

Maned wolves could have been a great replacement for the dholes, although there would never be a comparison for us ZooChatters. This of course didn't happen.

One thing that really infuriated me was sending one of the black bears to the Lake Superior Zoo when the three had been together for more than a decade. While they now have a male takin after being without one for a few years, it seems as if there is now only one female. I'm assuming that they are on a breeding recommendation and am hopeful for a kid but the trade off of losing a few adults for a single kid is awful. Another thing about sending animals out is that I'm not sure there is a pair of tapirs anymore but just the one. While this could be argued as good from an animal welfare perspective, tapir calves have been a big part of the zoo for a long time. I am not at all sure there is only one now, but wouldn't be surprised.

There is the small chance that animals have been sent out or not replaced as a way to save money while the Treetops Trail is being constructed, but I'm not going to hold my breath.
 
I don’t really mind them moving stuff out of the Minnesota Trail to the Northern Trail if it lets them expand the current Minnesota exhibits. They’re much smaller than their Northern counterparts and there’s already a fair bit of precedent for having Minnesota native species there (bison, moose). There are still a few cold weather species they could add, too, rather than diluting the zoo’s identity by cramming in tropical and subtropical ABCs. Rheas, snow leopards, outdoor penguins, getting red pandas back, another goat or sheep, deer / cranes, etc. Some of those would mean officially abandoning the Asian highlands but who really cares at this point. That wasn’t happening anyway.

I thought llama trek was solid for what it is. Just wish it had condors or rheas or something that isn’t a domestic.
 
I can't help but wonder if this will continue with a future director. The one thing I want from the Minnesota Zoo right now is a new director because the current leader doesn't seem to understand what a zoo is. I find myself imagining what could be done to the Minnesota Zoo to amend the recent decline and also improve it beyond what it once was.
I would also have to agree about our current director. I don’t know to much about him, and he doesn’t make very many public appearances, but from what I can gather he doesn’t really understand why people go to the zoo in the first place. What is the point of building a replacement for the monorail when there is literally no incentive to go up there? if there aren't any species exclusive to the trail, why bother walking the extra mile? In fact, you would be seeing less species by going up there than you would regularly, as most of Russia's Grizzly Coast wouldn't be viewable from the trail. I might go up there a few times for pictures, but overall, I don't see the point of going up there if there is nothing new. It would be a huge bummer if all of these species were phased out to fund the Treetops Trail, which in all honesty, will likley end up being a waste of money.
The Llama Trek gets more and more tedious every year, and while interesting and somewhat attractive for the first year or two, with many experiences no longer offered, it is really quite awful. Bringing back giraffes, zebras, ostriches, wildebeest, and antelope for a year would be a great change of pace. When an animal passes, I wish the zoo would immediately find a replacement for it. I don't care if it is an ambassador animal (as long as the arrangement isn't permanent) but they shouldn't leave the enclosure empty for literally years or replace it with an animal already at the zoo. I will likely not walk on the Treetops Trail for the first few years that its open because my grandparents enjoy going with me but could never walk however many miles that is in addition to the paths that already exist.


I agree with you about the Llama Trek, it's a complete waste of space now that the Rheas are gone and would be much better if used for wild animals instead of domestics. Llamas could be replaced with Guanacos and Rheas could be brought back along with species like Condors and Pudu, or, If they could move the bison to the old Musk Ox exhibit, they could add a pretty large mixed exhibit for cold-weather Asian Ungulates (Przewalski's Horse, Bactrian Camel, Pere Davids Deer, and Onager come to mind).

I cannot understand why they would ever renovate the monorail track without adding a showstopper that can't be seen from anywhere else. So what, they talk about adding a wild goat species and some deer (and never even fallow through with it, anyway)? What is that going to do? No one goes to the zoo and says "I'd like to see some deer and wild goats." For a cheaper cost, the zoo could have converted the bison field for multiple Indian rhinoceroses with a huge indoor holding and viewing pavilion. While the rhinoceroses couldn't be outside for five to six months of the year, really large dayrooms (which the zoo most certainly has room for) that allow guests to get really close to the rhinoceroses would mitigate the problem.

I think adding more species along the Treetops Trail (Elk, Bighorn Sheep, Markhor, Snow Leopard, Red Panda, etc.) would definitely be an improvement, as I already stated, there isn't really any reason to go up there if there aren't any exclusive species. Indian Rhino could work, but that would be a huge investment I'm not sure the zoo has the funding for.

Simple enclosures for Steller's sea eagles in the Russia's Grizzly Coast area and meerkats near the Mussel Cabin would be nice improvements and the meerkats could be huge draws. Hardly anybody goes to the Mussel Cabin because they either never follow that path or just don't care about it. Adding a meerkat enclosure there isn't to far away for it to be out of the way, and it also attracts people to the Mussel Cabin.
I would agree that little improvements like these would be a welcome addition. Seller's Sea Eagles were supposed to be added to RGC in the 2015 Master Plan, but were cut once Lee Emke went to Houston. Bringing back this idea would be quite the welcome addition, and it would at least be a breath of fresh air to have even something this small be built. I like the idea of adding meerkats, but I don't think there is any room for a new exhibit by the Mussel Cabin, and I kind of like how quiet that part of the zoo is. I think Meerkats would be a good addition to a renovation of the Main Building/Snow Monkey Exhibit, which is definitely showing its age with concrete on the verge of crumbling. This part of the zoos should be the top priority for renovations, as it could become a genuine safety hazard in the coming decades. Although Maned Wolves would have been a nice addition, they would mess with the Cold-Weather theme of Minnesota's outdoor exhibits and I'd rather they stick with that than add Tropical species that would only be on-display half of the year.

I don’t really mind them moving stuff out of the Minnesota Trail to the Northern Trail if it lets them expand the current Minnesota exhibits. They’re much smaller than their Northern counterparts and there’s already a fair bit of precedent for having Minnesota native species there (bison, moose). There are still a few cold weather species they could add, too, rather than diluting the zoo’s identity by cramming in tropical and subtropical ABCs. Rheas, snow leopards, outdoor penguins, getting red pandas back, another goat or sheep, deer / cranes, etc. Some of those would mean officially abandoning the Asian highlands but who really cares at this point. That wasn’t happening anyway.

I thought llama trek was solid for what it is. Just wish it had condors or rheas or something that isn’t a domestic.
I would definitely agree that the zoo should stick with the cold-weather theme, as that is what makes the zoo zo unique compared to other American zoos. I would have to disagree on the Llama Trek, though, as it replaced the fantastic and Massive Bactrian Camel/Przewalski's Horse Exhibit that existed before it with a walk-through exhibit for domestics. There was the Kangaroo Krossing for a few years a while back, which at least gave the Roos a massive amount of space and had side exhibits for Emu and Black Swan, despite not quite fitting with the Northern Trail's cold-weather theme.

Another thing I could see helping the zoo would be a re-vamp or expansion of the tropics trail, which is full of empty exhibits and aging infrastructure. bringing back Clouded Leopards, Chevrotains, Binturongs, Fishing Cats, Lorises, & Otters, while adding species like Capybara, Babirusa, Coati, more reptiles, and possibly larger expansions for tropical megafauna like Bongos, Pygmy Hippos or Bonobos would be a nice breath of freash air, although not all of these would be possible considering the zoos budget.

Overall, there is so much potential for greatness with the Minnesota Zoo, but the zoo has continuously fumbled the ball over the past decade, with almost no major process since John Frawley took charge in 2016. only around 6 new species (mostly birds and fish that are either impossible to find or never on exhibit) have been added in the past decade, with countless amounts of species phased out, and the zoo having consistent financial problems. Sorry if I de-railed this thread with speculation, but I thought it was necessary to prove how much the zoo is missing out on and what it could do better.
 
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I have copied over what I would like to see for the large hoofstock enclosures currently existing, except for the American bison enclosure, which is a part of a different idea that I have. The tropical species and the goitered gazelles would be a very expensive endeavor, but still what I want out of the Northern Trail. The "WINTER: A LOOK BACK" has a few purposes, mostly to appease what would be by nostalgic feelings.

gazelle field:
  1. summer: Persian onager, goitered gazelle
  2. fall: goitered gazelle
  3. winter: goitered gazelle — joined during WINTER: A LOOK BACK Persian onager
  4. spring: goitered gazelle
Asian wild horse field:
  1. summer: African savannah or walk-through Australia
  2. fall: Asian wild horse
  3. winter: musk ox — interrupted by WINTER: A LOOK BACK Asian wild horses
  4. March-April: musk ox
  5. May: Asian wild horses
domestic Bactrian camel field:
  1. summer: Asian wild horse (Thursday-Monday), domestic Bactrian camel (Tuesday and Wednesday)
  2. fall: Persian onager (Thursday-Monday), domestic Bactrian camel (Tuesday and Wednesday)
  3. winter: Asian wild horse (Thursday-Monday) — interrupted by WINTER: A LOOK BACK domestic Bactrian camel, domestic Bactrian camel (Tuesday and Wednesday)
  4. March-April: Asian wild horse (Thursday-Monday), domestic Bactrian camel (Tuesday and Wednesday)
  5. May: Persian onager (Thursday-Monday), domestic Bactrian camel (Tuesday and Wednesday)
musk ox lake
  1. summer: Indian gaur, Indian sambar
  2. September: Indian gaur, Indian sambar
  3. October-November: other
  4. winter: Persian onager — interrupted by WINTER: A LOOK BACK musk ox
  5. March-April: Persian onager
  6. May: Indian gaur, Indian sambar

These are some of my ideas for the main entrance, partially inspired by the 2012 master plan.

renovate the Japanese macaque enclosure
- the ground plane of the yard will be raised gradually from the left up, viewing from the main building so that the primates are just behind glass at the end if the hallway
- a model hotspring for the macaques is right along the glass with steamy air ejected during the winter, allowing guests to see the macaques' lower body submerged
- additional climbing structures out of both real and fake downed trees and logs will be added right up near the viewing jetty areas for better interaction with guests and the primates

erect a butterfly pavilion near Margarita Island like the 2012 master plan called for

develop the unutilized land around the IMAX theater for a Great Plains-themed exhibit called Edge of the Prairie
- one huge field is at the center as the main attraction with the zoo's pure American bison and pronghorn, also welcoming mountain goats, greater prairie-chickens, Sandhill cranes (rescued), and Rocky Mountain elk
- several satellite enclosures around the field with unobstructed views into the field for prairie dogs, black-footed ferrets, and swift foxes
 
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I disagree on the premise that the zoo should maintain its current level of focus on cold-continental (essentially pale- and nearctic) species for three reasons. The first is being that it is hard to find enough species that are feasible, varied, and interesting enough to the general public to maintain high attention on two disjoint outdoor sections with exhibits featuring entirely all-season animals. Although the Minnesota Trail is great, it prevents the Northern Trail from being denser since the animals that would do best in Minnesota's climate while being relatively far from central infrastructure are instead using space that may make it feasible for exotic animals that could do well outdoors for the majority of the year but potentially need to use central infrastructure more often than native species or could benefit from having an indoor exhibit for the hardest months (or days) of the year. This weird gray area is where animals like red pandas and polar bears (although less feasible) exist to me (thanks continental climate combined with climate change). The zoo in the not-too-distant past had more permanent seasonal outdoor exhibits, so it doesn't seem like this a central principle that shouldn't be reconsidered (the zoo had meerkats in the 2000's and lions earlier than that if I remember discussions from the prior thread correctly).

The second is that the zoo also does not have (or advertise the existence of) enough guest-supporting infrastructure that could make winter excursions on the Northern trail more accessible. I enjoyed going to Como Zoo in the winter despite having to travel between buildings since they were relatively short walks outside. However, at the Minnesota Zoo there is nowhere between the leopard cabin and the yurt to stop and warm up in the winter that I know of. You would need to be make a rather long walk along the back half of the Northern Trail. Although the avoided costs of building and maintaining additional infrastructure matter immensely, it doesn't matter as a guest if the animals are all-season but the path to reach them seemingly isn't.

The third reason is that ABC animals, which primarily come from subtropical climates (if only the end-Pleistocene extinction had spared more species in North America), drive interest to visit for most of the public. (Or at least that's how I perceive it, so I'd be happy to see data to prove me wrong.) It doesn't matter that the zoo differentiates itself in its vision and scope if it cannot drive enough visitation to support itself. The zoo has no great apes, mega-herbivores, any African savannah hoof-stock, or dolphins (aside from the current temporary return). What it does have it also intersects a fair amount with the Como Zoo. It doesn't help that the Como zoo has the majority of the remaining feasible ABCs. Even just bringing back the summer Africa exhibit would help since it would be able to differentiate itself from Como's African hoof stock exhibit, like it always does, in its presentation. The zoo doesn't need every animal from The Lion King, but it would help if there was at least one.

Although we may disagree on the details of what animals the zoo should acquire, I think it's fair to say that all of us here want the zoo to have more animals and to have leadership that communicates that it actually wants to be a zoo.

There is a lot of potential for the zoo, but there are major headwinds. The largest of them being outside of the zoo's control. What I believe the main challenge the zoo faces is that it's funded by the state since roughly half of the decision makers do not see enough of a benefit to the zoo existence to fund it enough to grow. I do not blame them for that, because it'd be a pretty tough sell for representatives outside of the Twin Cities metropolitan area to spend any of their time or political capital on it aside from following the vote along party lines. The fact that 2022 is the first time since 2014 that the government has been been united under a party that is more focused on the Twin Cities metro area hasn't helped the zoo either.

This may be my naive self, but I think handing the zoo to the hands to the Metropolitan Council, if they could handle it, would act more favorably towards the zoo than the MN state legislature. There's probably a very simple reason why it hasn't been done, so I'd be happy to learn why.

Phew, that was a lot more than I had anticipated to write, but this has been on my mind for a good while. I'd be happy to hear arguments and facts to the contrary
 
Not having animals from warmer climates outdoors is a primary reason for why I love the Minnesota Zoo, too. However, there are very few species that are both able live in the Minnesota climate year-round and popular with most visitors. The Treetops Trail will need animals that draw crowds for it to ever be a viable investment. There isn't really much that can be done to attract crowds in this area, if an approach only featuring cold-tolerant animals is followed, except for maybe snow leopards and red pandas. I would love for the zoo to continue only displaying animals from colder regions of the world but just don't think that it is what's best. New exhibits are always engaging for visitors and maintaining a limited collection like this has few possibilities for new developments that add to the zoo; other than possibly expanding the Tropics Trail, nothing can major can be done.

The second is that the zoo also does not have (or advertise the existence of) enough guest-supporting infrastructure that could make winter excursions on the Northern trail more accessible.
However, at the Minnesota Zoo there is nowhere between the leopard cabin and the yurt to stop and warm up in the winter that I know of.
it doesn't matter as a guest if the animals are all-season but the path to reach them seemingly isn't.
If I had to guess, nearly every person who goes to the Minnesota Zoo, at any time of year, goes on all of the trails, indoor and out. The temperature will never be a problem in winter because most people (I'm not one of them) aren't going to venture out to the zoo when it is extremely cold. Typical Minnesota winters are not a problem for many visitors if they where gloves, hats, warm pants, coats, and maybe boots. Of course, winters aren't the peak attendance season, either, so weather conditions are even less of an issue. Very rarely are paths inaccessible due to snow as the staff are good about shoveling and plowing when its necessary and when paths are blocked off, it is likely only going to be until around late-morning. Part of the charm to the Minnesota Zoo, as I said above, is the charming winter experience (as long as its not too cold), and multiple buildings dotted along the Northern Trail would damper that.

Animals from warmer climates like rhinoceroses, gaurs, and Asian deer wouldn't be outside in winter anyway, so the temperature-controlled buildings and purported grounds conditions have not affect would have no affect on them.

The Dino Hideout could have been successful, but it opened without any announcement and had zero marketing to back it up. I bet most visitors don't even know it's there.
This was a serious failure on the administration staff's fault.

not to mention the unstable infrastructure around the Main Building.
What are some of the things that would need modifications or an overhaul?

If the zoo continually disappoints with its major projects/decisions & continues to rapidly downsize the collection, I struggle to see why the state would be keen on funding the zoo at all.
I am really concerned that this will happen.

It's been like a second home for me my whole life
It has been for me, as well.

I agree with you about the Llama Trek, it's a complete waste of space now that the Rheas are gone and would be much better if used for wild animals instead of domestics. Llamas could be replaced with Guanacos and Rheas could be brought back along with species like Condors and Pudu
With rheas, the Llama Trek was almost tolerable. There was no problem with the kangaroos and initially the llamas as well, but now that there are a couple of more permanent buildings and features, the beautiful field for Asian wild horses has been ruined. Amending would be a priority if I were in charge :)

I like the idea of adding meerkats, but I don't think there is any room for a new exhibit by the Mussel Cabin, and I kind of like how quiet that part of the zoo is.
I hadn't thought about how it would disrupt the peacefulness of that area. My thinking was that nobody ever goes to Mussel Cabin when it is an underappreciated exhibit that could be exposed by a meerkat exhibit. There is some space for a decent indoor/outdoor meerkat exhibit over there but perhaps something for meerkats could be built near Margarita Island, across from where I would want a new butterfly building.

Although Maned Wolves would have been a nice addition, they would mess with the Cold-Weather theme of Minnesota's outdoor exhibits
Aren't maned wolves pretty tolerant of different temperatures?
 
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I have copied over what I would like to see for the large hoofstock enclosures currently existing, except for the American bison enclosure, which is a part of a different idea that I have. The tropical species and the goitered gazelles would be a very expensive endeavor, but still what I want out of the Northern Trail. The "WINTER: A LOOK BACK" has a few purposes, mostly to appease what would be by nostalgic feelings.

gazelle field:
  1. summer: Persian onager, goitered gazelle
  2. fall: goitered gazelle
  3. winter: goitered gazelle — joined during WINTER: A LOOK BACK Persian onager
  4. spring: goitered gazelle
Asian wild horse field:
  1. summer: African savannah or walk-through Australia
  2. fall: Asian wild horse
  3. winter: musk ox — interrupted by WINTER: A LOOK BACK Asian wild horses
  4. March-April: musk ox
  5. May: Asian wild horses
domestic Bactrian camel field:
  1. summer: Asian wild horse (Thursday-Monday), domestic Bactrian camel (Tuesday and Wednesday)
  2. fall: Persian onager (Thursday-Monday), domestic Bactrian camel (Tuesday and Wednesday)
  3. winter: Asian wild horse (Thursday-Monday) — interrupted by WINTER: A LOOK BACK domestic Bactrian camel, domestic Bactrian camel (Tuesday and Wednesday)
  4. March-April: Asian wild horse (Thursday-Monday), domestic Bactrian camel (Tuesday and Wednesday)
  5. May: Persian onager (Thursday-Monday), domestic Bactrian camel (Tuesday and Wednesday)
musk ox lake
  1. summer: Indian gaur, Indian sambar
  2. September: Indian gaur, Indian sambar
  3. October-November: other
  4. winter: Persian onager — interrupted by WINTER: A LOOK BACK musk ox
  5. March-April: Persian onager
  6. May: Indian gaur, Indian sambar

These are some of my ideas for the main entrance, partially inspired by the 2012 master plan.

renovate the Japanese macaque enclosure
- the ground plane of the yard will be raised gradually from the left up, viewing from the main building so that the primates are just behind glass at the end if the hallway
- a model hotspring for the macaques is right along the glass with steamy air ejected during the winter, allowing guests to see the macaques' lower body submerged
- additional climbing structures out of both real and fake downed trees and logs will be added right up near the viewing jetty areas for better interaction with guests and the primates

erect a butterfly pavilion near Margarita Island like the 2012 master plan called for

develop the unutilized land around the IMAX theater for a Great Plains-themed exhibit called Edge of the Prairie
- one huge field is at the center as the main attraction with the zoo's pure American bison and pronghorn, also welcoming mountain goats, greater prairie-chickens, Sandhill cranes (rescued), and Rocky Mountain elk
- several satellite enclosures around the field with unobstructed views into the field for prairie dogs, black-footed ferrets, and swift foxes

This doesn't belong in here. Posting things like this in a news thread is confusing.


Species don't always leave because of a director's wishes. Some animals/species can become difficult to manage, they can be hard to replace, there can be a number of other issues that aren't obvious.
 
Species don't always leave because of a director's wishes. Some animals/species can become difficult to manage, they can be hard to replace, there can be a number of other issues that aren't obvious.
This is true, it isn't all John Frawley's fault that this is happening, but the level of phase-outs is a bit suspicious. I can understand a little bit of phase-outs here and there, but they have been over a dozen major species phased out in only three years, and the fact that nothing other than one or two ambassador animals have replaced them (leaving numerous repeat and/or empty enclosures), and I'm finding it harder and harder to give the zoo the benefit of the doubt. And it's not just species, the amount of individual animals has gone down rapidly. I can understand having smaller groups of some of the species in the tropics trail, but seeing only two takin, four Bactrian camels, and one Wild Boar seems baffling giving the size of some of their enclosures. I think the main reason this is happening is the lack of funding from the state and subsequent financial issues, as has been stated numerous times before on this site.
 
If I had to guess, nearly every person who goes to the Minnesota Zoo, at any time of year, goes on all of the trails, indoor and out. The temperature will never be a problem in winter because most people (I'm not one of them) aren't going to venture out to the zoo when it is extremely cold. Typical Minnesota winters are not a problem for many visitors if they were gloves, hats, warm pants, coats, and maybe boots.

I guess my family and I went to the Minnesota Zoo wrong ever since I was a kid. We spent the the entire time in the main building aside from the Minnesota Trail during winter visits. Even today I haven't gone on the Northern Trail between a wintry December and late March. Perhaps next winter will be the time to change that. I wasn't thinking of any big structures out there. I was thinking of a permanent structure around the Prairie Dog area (perhaps make it a sod house for theming or blending into the landscape) and increasing the number of lockers and moving them to a better location than the entry of the Tropics Trail would help communicate that the Northern Trail is a desirable path to take during the winter for people who are visiting the zoo outside of winter.

Animals from warmer climates like rhinoceroses, gaurs, and Asian deer wouldn't be outside in winter anyway, so the temperature-controlled buildings and purported grounds conditions have not affect would have no affect on them.

Of course. My thought on the first point about the Minnesota Trail's location was cost-focused. The Minnesota Trail, the Macaque Exhibit, the former butterfly garden/dino-land, and the Woodland playground just after the splash-fountain look like, from my less-informed opinion, the lowest-hanging fruit for any animals that would be seasonally-outdoors but housed on campus year round. If the holding areas that was used for the African animals could hold them year round, then that would be great for the zoo since that lowers the upfront costs of many potential developments back there (like asian subtropical hoof stock as others suggested). It's straying into depths I have little business delving to, but it's been a recurrent thought whenever I think about what the zoo can do.
 
There is a new young debrazza monkey with the others. The docent I spoke to today phrased her explanation in a way that leads me to think the juvenile was adopted from another zoo, but I could be interpreting her wrong. I also don't recall primates on the Tropics Trail ever giving birth, which supports the idea that the new monkey is from somewhere else.
 
I’m a boy scout and I’m trying to do my eagle project at the Minnesota Zoo specifically on one of their incoming “glamping” (fancy camping for those who don’t know) sites. I was just there at a meeting to discuss my project and the master plan and future of the zoo came up. As everyone has already discussed the zoo is focusing on guest experiences rather than new animals/exhibits. The zoo is specifically creating outdoor experiences like camping and various hiking/ski trails (which is exactly what Lebanon Hills park does).This seems to be what the zoo is focusing on for a while and even these expansions seem to be underfunded and delayed. Another interesting thing to note is that a lot of the staff is brand new to the zoo which sounded like it was slowing things down as well. I hope the zoo can improve itself and at least do something to get the public interested.
 
I’m a boy scout and I’m trying to do my eagle project at the Minnesota Zoo specifically on one of their incoming “glamping” (fancy camping for those who don’t know) sites. I was just there at a meeting to discuss my project and the master plan and future of the zoo came up. As everyone has already discussed the zoo is focusing on guest experiences rather than new animals/exhibits. The zoo is specifically creating outdoor experiences like camping and various hiking/ski trails (which is exactly what Lebanon Hills park does).This seems to be what the zoo is focusing on for a while and even these expansions seem to be underfunded and delayed. Another interesting thing to note is that a lot of the staff is brand new to the zoo which sounded like it was slowing things down as well. I hope the zoo can improve itself and at least do something to get the public interested.
Thank you for the information @Binturong_Lover149! It’s disheartening to hear that most of the new projects, however underwhelming they are, are still a long ways away. Although I wouldn’t have really expected much more from the zoo at this point, unfortunately. I wonder why most of the staff is new, Did they lay off a large amount of employees during the pandemic?
 
Thank you for the information @Binturong_Lover149! It’s disheartening to hear that most of the new projects, however underwhelming they are, are still a long ways away. Although I wouldn’t have really expected much more from the zoo at this point, unfortunately. I wonder why most of the staff is new, Did they lay off a large amount of employees during the pandemic?

Yeah, I’m pretty sure it was due to the pandemic :(
 
Wild Boars have been removed from the zoo's website, all but confirming the species being phased-out. I wonder what they'll do with the old enclosure, if they'll leave it empty, add an animal ambassador, expand the nearby play area, or, most unlikely, replace the Boars with a new species. Yet another species to add to the growing list of phase-outs post pandemic.
 
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