Corangurilla
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Detroit has pulled off Bison/Peccary and Camel/Przewalski’s Horse, but I don’t know if all 4 would work.
Mixed species exhibit ideas
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What if the infrastructure to make four adjoining yards into one big yard was there, but animals could be separated at any time depending on temperament?
There should not be any specific problem
Platypusboy
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This is a bit of a different idea, but could species like toucans, macaws and other parrots be added to large free roaming halls like Burger's Bush and Gondwanaland or would they just destroy everything?
I think a scalloped hammerhead in with manta rays and whale sharks would be a cool mix. AFAIK they aren't large enought to attack and kill mantas. Monterey Bay has done something similar, with pelagic stingrays (a smaller species) mixed in with the hammerheads.
There is a guy in Siberia who is trying to recreate the old mammoth steppe habitat with a mix of these species and so far it seems to be working - search for Pleistocene Park
would any of these work? (I know some of these are impractical due to some of the species rarity of shortened lifespan in captivity)
1. Marine Iguana, Inca Tern & Great Cormorant
2. Smooth Stingray, Cownose Ray, Eastern Banjo-Shark, Green Sea-Turtle, Luderick, Sea Mullet, Flounder, Purple Sea-Urchin, Southern Rock-Lobster, Biscuit Star & Spotted Wobbegong
3. Mangrove Jack, Spotted Scat, Banded Archerfish, Long-Spine Porcupinefish, Schooling Bannerfish, Dusky Flathead, Silver Moony, Yellowfin Bream & Pinnate Batfish
4. Crab-Eating Macaque, Proboscis Monkey, Great Hornbill & Plum-Headed Parakeet
5. Striped Eel-Catfish & Black-Saddled Toby
6. Wrasses (Blue-Streak Cleaner-, Humphead), Sharks (Grey Reef-, Zebra), Hawksbill Sea-Turtle, Queensland Grouper, Needlefish, Rays (Spotted Eagle-, Common Shovelnose-, Porcupine), Green Moray-Eel, Great Barracuda, Red Emperor, Coral Trout & Giant Clam
7. Mandrill & Black-and-White Colobus-Monkey
8. Okapi & Shoebill Stork
9. Northern White-Cheeked Gibbon, Sumatran Orangutan & False Gharial
10. Babirusa & Celebes Crested-Macaque
11. Dusky Leaf-Monkey & Visayan Spotted-Deer
12. Himalayan Monal, Japanese Macaque & Indian Hog-Deer
13. North Island Brown-Kiwi & Little Owl
14. Przewalski's Horse, Dromedary Camel & Domestic Yak
15. Greater Flamingo, Mute Swan & Canada Goose
sorry about the long list I just wanted to find out.
1. Marine Iguana, Inca Tern & Great Cormorant
2. Smooth Stingray, Cownose Ray, Eastern Banjo-Shark, Green Sea-Turtle, Luderick, Sea Mullet, Flounder, Purple Sea-Urchin, Southern Rock-Lobster, Biscuit Star & Spotted Wobbegong
3. Mangrove Jack, Spotted Scat, Banded Archerfish, Long-Spine Porcupinefish, Schooling Bannerfish, Dusky Flathead, Silver Moony, Yellowfin Bream & Pinnate Batfish
4. Crab-Eating Macaque, Proboscis Monkey, Great Hornbill & Plum-Headed Parakeet
5. Striped Eel-Catfish & Black-Saddled Toby
6. Wrasses (Blue-Streak Cleaner-, Humphead), Sharks (Grey Reef-, Zebra), Hawksbill Sea-Turtle, Queensland Grouper, Needlefish, Rays (Spotted Eagle-, Common Shovelnose-, Porcupine), Green Moray-Eel, Great Barracuda, Red Emperor, Coral Trout & Giant Clam
7. Mandrill & Black-and-White Colobus-Monkey
8. Okapi & Shoebill Stork
9. Northern White-Cheeked Gibbon, Sumatran Orangutan & False Gharial
10. Babirusa & Celebes Crested-Macaque
11. Dusky Leaf-Monkey & Visayan Spotted-Deer
12. Himalayan Monal, Japanese Macaque & Indian Hog-Deer
13. North Island Brown-Kiwi & Little Owl
14. Przewalski's Horse, Dromedary Camel & Domestic Yak
15. Greater Flamingo, Mute Swan & Canada Goose
sorry about the long list I just wanted to find out.
sry I also forgot to add the last few
1. Northern Palm-Squirrel, Goodfellow's Tree-Kangaroo, Cotton-Top Tamarin, Kirk's Dik-Dik, Pigeons (Victoria Crowned-, Nicobar), Toco Toucan, Bali Mynah, Raggiana Bird-of-Paradise, Greater Roadrunner, Grey-Winged Trumpeter, Scarlet Ibis, Roseate Spoonbill, Red-Footed Tortoise, Red-Crowned Parakeet, Mandarin Duck, New Zealand Scaup, Paradise Shelduck, Great Argus, Sun Conure, Grey-Headed Flying-Fox, Green Iguana, Hoffmann's Two-Toed Sloth, Common Tree-Shrew & Lesser Mouse-Deer
2. Cantil & Emerald Tree-Boa
3. Tokay Gecko & Long-Nosed Horned-Frog
4. Asian Vine-Snake & Blue Malaysian Coral-Snake
5. White-Lipped Pit-Viper & Wagler's Pit-Viper
6. Eastern Box-Turtle, Corn Snake & California Kingsnake
7. Mozambique Spitting-Cobra & Leopard Tortoise
8. Rainbow Agama & Jackson's Chameleon
9. D'Albertis Python & Beauty Rat-Snake
10. Dugong & Tawny Nurse-Shark or Bull Shark & Tawny Nurse-Shark
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1. Northern Palm-Squirrel, Goodfellow's Tree-Kangaroo, Cotton-Top Tamarin, Kirk's Dik-Dik, Pigeons (Victoria Crowned-, Nicobar), Toco Toucan, Bali Mynah, Raggiana Bird-of-Paradise, Greater Roadrunner, Grey-Winged Trumpeter, Scarlet Ibis, Roseate Spoonbill, Red-Footed Tortoise, Red-Crowned Parakeet, Mandarin Duck, New Zealand Scaup, Paradise Shelduck, Great Argus, Sun Conure, Grey-Headed Flying-Fox, Green Iguana, Hoffmann's Two-Toed Sloth, Common Tree-Shrew & Lesser Mouse-Deer
2. Cantil & Emerald Tree-Boa
3. Tokay Gecko & Long-Nosed Horned-Frog
4. Asian Vine-Snake & Blue Malaysian Coral-Snake
5. White-Lipped Pit-Viper & Wagler's Pit-Viper
6. Eastern Box-Turtle, Corn Snake & California Kingsnake
7. Mozambique Spitting-Cobra & Leopard Tortoise
8. Rainbow Agama & Jackson's Chameleon
9. D'Albertis Python & Beauty Rat-Snake
10. Dugong & Tawny Nurse-Shark or Bull Shark & Tawny Nurse-Shark
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The first mix would absolutely not work. The stingrays would devour all the marine invertebrates.
The second mix would only work if there was a large enough tank for all these species.
Everything else works fine though.
Either of these would work.
Aardwolf
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I think you'd have issues with a fair number of these. Mixing macaques with pheasants is not something I see having a happy ending. Even if you don't wind up with direct mortality, I suspect the birds are going to be placed under a tremendous amount of stress. Another example, I would not mix tomistoma with gibbons or orangs. Sure, they are *mostly* piscivores, but they have been known to prey on mammals, including at least one report of a human. Again, you might not have injuries, but I can imagine animals refusing to use the lower parts of the enclosure from fear of the crocs. Those primates are mostly arboreal, but they do come to the floor sometimes and they'd be at risk if they do in this case. It becomes especially risky if infants are involved.
Thanks for the help.
What about Giant Cuttlefish or Pineapple-Fish with Southern Rock-Lobster?
Thanks for helping with that info.
I lumped them together due to seeing a similar mix at Singapore Zoo with Siamang & False Gharial.
Those wouldn't work. Pineapplefish afaik need pressurized tanks while the other two do not. You'd have to pick between one of those three.
Platypusboy
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Would this mix work?
European pond turtle, European green toad, Alpine newt, European tree frog.
European pond turtle, European green toad, Alpine newt, European tree frog.
Toucans will eat small birds and hatchlings, otherwise they can be workable in some situations. Parrots are destructive and if flighted pose a risk of biting guests, which in a macaw's case is not good. It has been done, but not usually a great option.
This just sounds like disaster for too many reasons...
I wouldn't trust the kingsnakes to not eat the Corn Snakes sooner or later.
They do not require pressurized tanks, normal pressure is fine. While they are known to live as deep as 800 feet, both species are found as shallow as 65-70 feet down. Thus most specimens entering aquaria are from shallower areas and do not require special pressure.
I was trying to go for something similar to the Fragile Forest bio-dome @ the Singapore Zoo
they've got similar species in that exhibit including:
flying-fox, mouse-deer, two species of squirrel, lemur & turtle, white-faced saki, two-toed sloth, iguana, lion-Tamarin & marmoset as well as parrots, pheasants, ducks, toucans, pigeons, doves, Bali mynah & a ton of other birds & butterflies. & up until recently they also had tree-kangaroo, dik-dik & tree-shrew.
That was the main reason I asked about that one, I was wondering wether it was possible or not with the kingsnake being a snake-eater.
& that's what I thought because I thought I'd seen them mixed with other species @ an aquarium.
I think it highly depends on the structure and design of the hall. Macaws have been kept free-roaming (Pairi Daiza sometimes let them free roam) but I think you need specific plants and especially designed decorations. A hall like BZ wouldn't be possible because of the plant types used
Alright, I'm going to try to break this down in pieces
In a large enough aviary this might work, but there would have to be a lot of areas where the birds can come and the primates can't. I would either take out the Proboscis monkey so you're left with the mostly ground dwelling Macaque (and be able to keep them mostly on the ground while the birds can go in the trees), or take out the Macaque and be left with the vegetarian Proboscis monkeys. If you mix them both then the P-monkeys will need climbing structures that the Macaques can use to get to the birds.
Mandrill mixes with other monkeys are rare, but not unheard of. It should probably be fine, but Drills instead of Mandrills would be the safer option.
Okapi and bird mixes have been fine before. Though I do suggest giving the Shoebills plenty of space to get away from the Okapis.
I wouldn't mix Pheasants with Macaques, I suggest keeping the Pheasants separate as, even with deer, there might be risk of trampling.
Both of these should be fine.
Unless these are all free-roamers in a very large greenhouse, I would certainly separate some species. Toco toucans should definitely be taken out of the equation, as they'll eat any and all eggs or chicks. The same goes for the Greater roadrunners.
Some other problematic species are the Tree kangaroos, Palm squirrels, Kirk's dikdiks, Two-toed sloth, Common tree shrew and Lesser mouse deer.
If in a greenhouse, half of these should be kept in enclosures, as I feel like they would butt heads.
Tree kangaroos and Two-toed sloths both belong to the same arboreal, slow-moving animal group, so they could get in fights for who gets the branch.
Palm squirrels and Common tree shrew have a similar problem of fighting for the branch, to a lesser extent also with the tamarins.
Again for the Kirk's dikdik and Lesser mouse deer, both miniature ungulates that roam the same area, though in this case I feel like the Dikdik would easily dominate over the Mouse deer.
If I were you, I would make two separate enclosures, one for Tree kangaroo and Mouse deer, and one for Common tree shrew. The rest should be fine free-roaming. Though I would also take out the Sun conures, as they're loud and could cause stress for the Sloths, Iguanas and Tortoises.
Both of these are very bad ideas, and Tree boas and Horned frogs are opportunistic predators and the Mouse deer and Gecko would definitely end up as feeder animals.
I would advice against mixing snake species, even though snakes have been mixed before, it's better to not take the risk.
Agama and Chameleon would be fine. But the Pythons will probably end up eating the rat snake, and the Spitting cobra would be a risk to the tortoise. You could add the tortoise to the lizard mix though.
Could be fine, but I fear for the water toxicity levels with two sea birds. Cormorants are also quite voracious and I wouldn't put it past them to at least try to swallow the Iguanas.
In a large enough aviary this might work, but there would have to be a lot of areas where the birds can come and the primates can't. I would either take out the Proboscis monkey so you're left with the mostly ground dwelling Macaque (and be able to keep them mostly on the ground while the birds can go in the trees), or take out the Macaque and be left with the vegetarian Proboscis monkeys. If you mix them both then the P-monkeys will need climbing structures that the Macaques can use to get to the birds.
Mandrill mixes with other monkeys are rare, but not unheard of. It should probably be fine, but Drills instead of Mandrills would be the safer option.
Okapi and bird mixes have been fine before. Though I do suggest giving the Shoebills plenty of space to get away from the Okapis.
Definitely a bad idea, False gharials are a common predator for mid-sized monkeys. And the Orangutans are smart enough to stay away from crocodiles and might even attempt to kill it. Gibbon and Gharial would be a safer option, but still not really recommended. Indian gharials have very thin snouts that are unable to catch anything other than fish, so they can be mixed with others, but False gharials don't have that problem.
Both of these should be fine, though I would switch the Monkeys, as Pigs can be a little more aggressive so it would be safer to have them with a fully arboreal species. Deer and ground-dwelling Monkeys have been proven safe before. (Keep in mind, to have Dusky leaf monkey you need fresh jungle leaves, only a zoo with a greenhouse can hold these animals).
I wouldn't mix Pheasants with Macaques, I suggest keeping the Pheasants separate as, even with deer, there might be risk of trampling.
Kiwi have been safely kept with Boobook and Barn owl, this should be fine.
Both of these should be fine.
Unless these are all free-roamers in a very large greenhouse, I would certainly separate some species. Toco toucans should definitely be taken out of the equation, as they'll eat any and all eggs or chicks. The same goes for the Greater roadrunners.
Some other problematic species are the Tree kangaroos, Palm squirrels, Kirk's dikdiks, Two-toed sloth, Common tree shrew and Lesser mouse deer.
If in a greenhouse, half of these should be kept in enclosures, as I feel like they would butt heads.
Tree kangaroos and Two-toed sloths both belong to the same arboreal, slow-moving animal group, so they could get in fights for who gets the branch.
Palm squirrels and Common tree shrew have a similar problem of fighting for the branch, to a lesser extent also with the tamarins.
Again for the Kirk's dikdik and Lesser mouse deer, both miniature ungulates that roam the same area, though in this case I feel like the Dikdik would easily dominate over the Mouse deer.
If I were you, I would make two separate enclosures, one for Tree kangaroo and Mouse deer, and one for Common tree shrew. The rest should be fine free-roaming. Though I would also take out the Sun conures, as they're loud and could cause stress for the Sloths, Iguanas and Tortoises.
Both of these are very bad ideas, and Tree boas and Horned frogs are opportunistic predators and the Mouse deer and Gecko would definitely end up as feeder animals.
I would advice against mixing snake species, even though snakes have been mixed before, it's better to not take the risk.
Agama and Chameleon would be fine. But the Pythons will probably end up eating the rat snake, and the Spitting cobra would be a risk to the tortoise. You could add the tortoise to the lizard mix though.