Mixed species exhibit ideas

Mr Gharial said:
Honestly, I think this one could work. oropendolas lay their eggs in deep, woven nests and if the Toucanets are well-fed enough I don't think they'd go through the trouble of trying to get inside the nest.
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In wildlife toucans (even aracaris) often rob oropendola nests, but Guianan Toucanets are the most peaceful toucan species I would say, why this mix could work.
 
For a side project that may or may not give a hint for my exhibit showcase thread… Would the following species coexist with both each other and Golden Lion Tamarins in a walkthrough, tropical house-type enclosure?
  • Red-Rumped Agouti
  • Red-Footed Tortoise
  • Blue Ground Dove
  • Scarlet Ibis
  • Crested Oropendola
  • Brazilian Bush Anole (Polychrus acutirostris)
  • Geoffroy’s Toadhead Turtle (Phrynops geoffroanus)
[EDIT] the tanagers and grosbeaks were removed, as recommended by member “Paul.Haerle”.
 
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Austin the Sengi said:
For a side project that may or may not give a hint for my exhibit showcase thread… Would the following species coexist with both each other and Golden Lion Tamarins in a walkthrough, tropical house-type enclosure?
  • Red-Rumped Agouti
  • Red-Footed Tortoise
  • Silver-Beaked Tanager
  • Ultramarine Grosbeak
  • Blue Ground Dove
  • Scarlet Ibis
  • Crested Oropendola
  • Brazilian Bush Anole (Polychrus acutirostris)
  • Geoffroy’s Toadhead Turtle (Phrynops geoffroanus)
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Tanagers and grosbeaks are very petite and the Golden Lion Tamarins could hurt them, why I would remove those two species.
 
Noted, thank you Paul for the tip. Although, in their place; what would be some good examples of smaller, yet hardier birds that are both native to the Mata Atlântica and are present in captivity?
 
Austin the Sengi said:
Noted, thank you Paul for the tip. Although, in their place; what would be some good examples of smaller, yet hardier birds that are both native to the Mata Atlântica and are present in captivity?
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I don't believe any small bird could work out with the tamarins, since as Paul pointed out, they could easily maul them. The only birds native to the Atlantic Rainforest on the smaller size that I think could work with the tamarins would be Green-billed toucans and Solitary tinamous, but even with those I believe that there would be risks for the other residents (besides the tortoises and turtles). Also, there's a high risk of the tamarins hunting the anoles as well.
 
@Velas, good to know; if the tamarins were kept in a separate enclosure away from the other species, would that solve the predation issue enough to reincorporate the tanagers and grosbeaks?
 
Austin the Sengi said:
@Velas, good to know; if the tamarins were kept in a separate enclosure away from the other species, would that solve the predation issue enough to reincorporate the tanagers and grosbeaks?
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That would be my suggestion. If you still want them to live alongside other species, I suggest moving the agouti and tortoise alongside them, as they won't be bothered by the tamarins (also rules out the chances of the agouti eating any eggs laid on the ground). With that, I don't see any problem on bringing the tanagers and grosbeaks back.
 
@Velas, in that case, would the following mix work out as a separate walkthrough?
  • Golden Lion Tamarin
  • Red-Rumped Agouti
  • Red-Footed Tortoise
From experience, I know all three could feasibly work, just asking for extra clarification.
 
Paul.Haerle said:
Great Kiskadees, Ruddy Quail Dove and Eared Doves could be possible in combination with the tamarins
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I don't think the kiskadees would be fit alongside the tamarins, since they could possibly attack any offspring. The doves could work, but again there's a risk of the tamarins eating their eggs and/or chicks. But if the birds are given separated areas when they are hatching and raising their chicks, I believe it could work.
 
Velas said:
I don't think the kiskadees would be fit alongside the tamarins, since they could possibly attack any offspring. The doves could work, but again there's a risk of the tamarins eating their eggs and/or chicks. But if the birds are given separated areas when they are hatching and raising their chicks, I believe it could work.
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I think separating the tamarins during the breeding time would be the better option; catching birds from a tropical house isn’t really easy
 
Austin the Sengi said:
@Velas, in that case, would the following mix work out as a separate walkthrough?
  • Golden Lion Tamarin
  • Red-Rumped Agouti
  • Red-Footed Tortoise
From experience, I know all three could feasibly work, just asking for extra clarification.
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I'm particularly very wary towards any primate walktrough, as there's always a risk of bites occuring or even the animals getting stolen, in the case of the tiny tamarins (and even the spreading of diseases, but I don't think you're planning this exhibit on their natural range :p).

But besides that, I think not only it would work, but also opens more possibilities for other residents. Larger birds, like Black-fronted pipping-guans and Alagoas curassows, and even Prehensile-tailed/Paraguayan hairy dwarf porcupines would be fit if they're given enough space.
 
Paul.Haerle said:
I think separating the tamarins during the breeding time would be the better option; catching birds from a tropical house isn’t really easy
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Oh, the tropical house totally slipped out of my head, I thought about the animals living on a separate enclousure lol. In that case, maybe it could work, but I still don't trust the tamarins to be near possible chicks and eggs.
 
Austin the Sengi said:
No, not exactly; the two walkthroughs for this hypothetical tropical house are being designed for a North American / European zoo in mind.
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In that case, the disease risk would be really low if not flat-out 0. The other ones I listed are possible, but if the space given is large enough, be it just for just the three animals or more, like the ones I listed, their chance of happening is quite low as well :)
 
Austin the Sengi said:
  • Golden Lion Tamarin
  • Red-Rumped Agouti
  • Red-Footed Tortoise
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Lastly, if I added a surplus, non-breeding group of Geoffroy’s Toadhead Turtles to the mix I quoted above. Would the inter-species dynamics between them, the agoutis, and tortoises remain unchanged or will I need to keep them back with the birds?
 
Austin the Sengi said:
Lastly, if I added a surplus, non-breeding group of Geoffroy’s Toadhead Turtles to the mix I quoted above. Would the inter-species dynamics between them, the agoutis, and tortoises remain unchanged or will I need to keep them back with the birds?
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Should work, as the turtles wouldn't mind the agoutis (and probably would never interact with the tamarins), and they can live peacefully with the tortoises.
 
Mr Gharial said:
Honestly, I think this one could work. oropendolas lay their eggs in deep, woven nests and if the Toucanets are well-fed enough I don't think they'd go through the trouble of trying to get inside the nest.
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From my small experience of toucans, they’re pretty mischievous, and have long beaks for a reason….
 
Velas said:
I'm particularly very wary towards any primate walktrough, as there's always a risk of bites occuring or even the animals getting stolen, in the case of the tiny tamarins (and even the spreading of diseases, but I don't think you're planning this exhibit on their natural range :p).

But besides that, I think not only it would work, but also opens more possibilities for other residents. Larger birds, like Black-fronted pipping-guans and Alagoas curassows, and even Prehensile-tailed/Paraguayan hairy dwarf porcupines would be fit if they're given enough space.
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Curassows have been known to attack visitors in walkthroughs. I know one place where it works, but it’s not a given
 
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