Monkey World Ape Rescue Centre Monkey World Ape Rescue Centre 2009 #1

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Jacobea said:
By "breeding" I meant, "if they were to start a breeding programme" :) It doesn't make much sense (to me at least) to deliberately breed from animals that don't really have a clue about how to bring up baby.

I think woolies are notorious for being difficult to breed (or breed and then keep the offspring alive)-at least, that's what I've picked up from Monkey Life. As for the orangs, they seem to be a pretty good example of what happens if you breed from animals with no or little experiance; valuable individuals, but all but Kai have ended up hand reared and in the orang nursery.

Than again, like I mentioned, the Golden Cheeks have fared quite well for being orphans. Odd :confused:
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Rehabiliation means providing and catering for the environments conducive to normal primate behaviours, and that includes *** natural reproduction and sex. To deny that is to deny animal integrity. And a Wildlife Sanctuary worth its salt would make use of all the genetic material in its care. This is exactly how most great ape collections started (e.g. Burgers Chimps and Chimp Politics) ..... To claim anything other is a crime - allthough I am realistic enough to acknowledge some chimps will never resocialise - but not tried is not won ...! OUCH (lol)!!!! :eek:
 
Bele said:
I do not believe that their woolly monkeys are of a pure sub-species so not certain of their value in conservation terms .

The capuchins that came from Chile are very varied in appearance ( some almost black , others very pale , some with golden bellies ) and could well include some rare sub-species , though wild-caught animals are probably now quite old and have spent many years in lab. cages .
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Im planning to visit soon, would you like me to get some close up shots of the capuchins for you?
 
Tigerlemurguy said:
Im planning to visit soon, would you like me to get some close up shots of the capuchins for you?
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Would be interesting to see what you think about the variety in the capuchins , Tigerlemurguy , and yes photos would be great , thanks .
 
in reply to some previous posts
wendys still in vietnam
they only breed chimps once every 5 yrs in paddys
baby raoul the wooly died 2 months ago
no orangs pregnant atm
 
Do they know what Raoul died of? It sounded like he was doing fine in the last series of Monkey Life. Also, is there anything on the other baby woolly born at the end of the same series (Kuna's)?
 
I caught a bit of Monkey Life this evening and they were looking at sheet with details of the capuchins - some were marked as "hibrido" and others were marked as "paraguayanus" which is now regarded as a subspecies of Cebus libidinosus (Black-striped Capuchin). This was only a handful out of a hundred animals so there are likely to be other taxa represented.
 
Jacobea said:
Do they know what Raoul died of? It sounded like he was doing fine in the last series of Monkey Life. Also, is there anything on the other baby woolly born at the end of the same series (Kuna's)?
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they came in one morning and he was very ill,and died soon after.Kuna's baby diego is doinng really well and i dont think it'll be long before he moves into one of the groups
 
robmv said:
I caught a bit of Monkey Life this evening and they were looking at sheet with details of the capuchins - some were marked as "hibrido" and others were marked as "paraguayanus" which is now regarded as a subspecies of Cebus libidinosus (Black-striped Capuchin). This was only a handful out of a hundred animals so there are likely to be other taxa represented.
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I would love to see the final count. I have this suspicion that in this case we are dealing with several different ssp./taxa currently unrepresented in the captive population.

Lest, I still think it is sad that Monkey World did not assist the Chilean rescue center in creating better primate environments in Santiago, Chile or in some ex situ conservation project for these capuchin monkeys.
 
Kifaru Bwana said:
Lest, I still think it is sad that Monkey World did not assist the Chilean rescue center in creating better primate environments in Santiago, Chile or in some ex situ conservation project for these capuchin monkeys.
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i have to agree- it seems pointless removing such a large number of monkeys from their country of origin. They will obviously never go back again. Rather different than the smaller numbers of other primates they have.
 
Keeping in mind that this was in the series before last, and that my memory's not perfect, but I *believe" that the Chilean uni (or maybe the Government?) didn't want to rehome the monkeys (or all of them, anyway) in Chile, and that's why they contacted Monkey World. If that's true, then i would guess that it's because of the scandal surrounding animal testing.

However, I could well be wrong on both counts, so feel free to correct me :)
 
Jacobea said:
Keeping in mind that this was in the series before last, and that my memory's not perfect, but I *believe" that the Chilean uni (or maybe the Government?) didn't want to rehome the monkeys (or all of them, anyway) in Chile, and that's why they contacted Monkey World. If that's true, then i would guess that it's because of the scandal surrounding animal testing.

However, I could well be wrong on both counts, so feel free to correct me :)
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I think the company were planning to euthanize all of them and thats when they offered monkey world to take them away, im sure they could have found a rescue centre nearer to chile.
 
Jacobea said:
Keeping in mind that this was in the series before last, and that my memory's not perfect, but I *believe" that the Chilean uni (or maybe the Government?) didn't want to rehome the monkeys (or all of them, anyway) in Chile, and that's why they contacted Monkey World. If that's true, then i would guess that it's because of the scandal surrounding animal testing.

However, I could well be wrong on both counts, so feel free to correct me :)
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I will provide the historical perspective tonight. It is not what people might think ... (hence my continuous commenting in this section).

K.B. :eek: :cool:
 
Pertinax said:
i have to agree- it seems pointless removing such a large number of monkeys from their country of origin. They will obviously never go back again. Rather different than the smaller numbers of other primates they have.
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I know their origin was South America , but I do no think that Chile has any native capuchin monkeys .

I look forward to what Kifaru Bwana has to tell us . I suspected there was more to the story , and that money must have come from somewhere to pay for the new housing and transfer costs .

However rare and unusual in captivity some of these capuchins may be , I very much doubt that they will ever be given the chance to breed . To me this is a real shame and lost opportunity . It would be better than breeding hybrid woolly monkeys .
 
Bele said:
I know their origin was South America , but I do no think that Chile has any native capuchin monkeys .

I look forward to what Kifaru Bwana has to tell us . I suspected there was more to the story , and that money must have come from somewhere to pay for the new housing and transfer costs .
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I should have said Continent, not Country, as I'm sure there aren't Capuchins wild in Chile.

I'm hoping Kifaru Bwana will provide some background to this intruging story...
 
Bele said:
However rare and unusual in captivity some of these capuchins may be , I very much doubt that they will ever be given the chance to breed . To me this is a real shame and lost opportunity . It would be better than breeding hybrid woolly monkeys .
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They are currently split into gender groups so the chance of breeding is pretty low, im not even sure if Monkeyworld have looked into what species they are, i could be wrong!
 
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I have been to this establishment two times. There are so many reasons why although I am basically in agreement with the work they do, I just don't like the place.

On Monkey Life it showed a family bringing in a marmoset. A family pet, it was let out of its cage every day and caused havoc. Alison Cronin had to have her say. She was extremely rude to the owner and kept on and on moaning and making sarcastic remarks. For two programmes she went on and on and on......... Why she couldn't just say thanks for the animal and leave it there, heaven knows.

I knew their Head Keeper, Jeremy Keeling when he was with Gordon Mills. I had hoped to see him again at his Father's funeral but alas, he didn't attend.

They had a small group of capuchins before the laboratory ones arrived. Was it good policy to mix (or attempt to mix) these old monkeys with the new arrivals. Not in my book.

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alison wasnt being rude,she was explaining about how marmosets dont make good pets.I am agreing sortof about the caps.The old boy tom died not long after he'ds been mixed in,but he was happy in the new group
 
reptile1517 said:
On Monkey Life it showed a family bringing in a marmoset. A family pet, it was let out of its cage every day and caused havoc. Alison Cronin had to have her say. She was extremely rude to the owner and kept on and on moaning and making sarcastic remarks. For two programmes she went on and on and on......... Why she couldn't just say thanks for the animal and leave it there, heaven knows.
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Sounds like Alison was maybe being a little over passionate with her love for animals?
 
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