Most overrated zoo

I'd say that the NY State or NYC government should fund the Bronx Zoo but I guess building a stadium for a family of billionaires using tax money is more important.
It is because the state and the City have scaled their financial support of the zoo Way Way back in recent years that the zoo is as you see it. Historically the zoo received a great deal of financial support and projects like CGF would not have been possible without it. But those times are gone.
 
It is because the state and the City have scaled their financial support of the zoo Way Way back in recent years that the zoo is as you see it. Historically the zoo received a great deal of financial support and projects like CGF would not have been possible without it. But those times are gone.
Which is total bull****
 
I must say that the level of debate on this site has really impressed me. Can't refute logic and powerful arguments. :rolleyes:
Apologies for my crudeness

What I mean is that with how much money the state and city have for other grossly frivolous expenses such as the aforementioned stadium, I find it infuriating that such valuable money shouldn't be given to a institution that has been doing good for the better part of over a century for the people of NY.

Think of how much good the Bronx Zoo provides to the people of NY in terms of education and entertainment. Even just seeing the animals is such a powerful experience for many in such an urban context.

Thus, for the state to not give the WCS parks a handsome stipend is nothing short of completely idiotic in my opinion.
 
Apologies for my crudeness

What I mean is that with how much money the state and city have for other grossly frivolous expenses such as the aforementioned stadium, I find it infuriating that such valuable money shouldn't be given to a institution that has been doing good for the better part of over a century for the people of NY.

Think of how much good the Bronx Zoo provides to the people of NY in terms of education and entertainment. Even just seeing the animals is such a powerful experience for many in such an urban context.

Thus, for the state to not give the WCS parks a handsome stipend is nothing short of completely idiotic in my opinion.
And you have expressed your thoughts to your elected officials?
 
If you guys could help me draft a letter, I'd be happy to write one on behalf of Zoochat.

Please don't do anything on behalf of zoochat, do things for yourself.

I don't think the zoo is overpriced. I just looked up a bunch of the popular museums in NYC and they're all in the $25-30 range for basic admission. Basic admission to Bronx is $27. Everywhere else has upcharges for things too, like imax, rides, and special exhibits. Those other places also aren't having to pay to feed and provide medical care for hundreds of animals. They don't have to keep exhibits updated as much (doing things like fixing fencing and painting walls happens a lot more at a zoo than at an art museum!), and they aren't nearly as bothered by the weather.
 
Basic admission to Bronx is $27. Everywhere else has upcharges for things too, like imax, rides, and special exhibits.

Seems not anymore. As @jayjds2 mentioned last night it does seem that through COVID and given the economic crisis atm the zoo has done away with the reduced admission. Their website lists only one ticket option now as general Bronx Zoo admission and it's the one that includes everything. With inflation it seems it's now jumped up a few dollars to a whopping $41 and change per adult visitor.

I would personally that is pretty steep imo but entirely unsurprising for such a large public recreational attraction in the middle of NYC. Not to mention the cost of animal care as you mentioned. It does make it now akin to the prices seem at some of the country's other major zoos like San Diego, as well as most major aquariums (it's $40 per person at National Aquarium now).

But hey, on the bright side all the outdated arguments about internal paywalls can finally be put to bed right? Right...?

~Thylo
 
Seems not anymore. As @jayjds2 mentioned last night it does seem that through COVID and given the economic crisis atm the zoo has done away with the reduced admission. Their website lists only one ticket option now as general Bronx Zoo admission and it's the one that includes everything. With inflation it seems it's now jumped up a few dollars to a whopping $41 and change per adult visitor.

I would personally that is pretty steep imo but entirely unsurprising for such a large public recreational attraction in the middle of NYC. Not to mention the cost of animal care as you mentioned. It does make it now akin to the prices seem at some of the country's other major zoos like San Diego, as well as most major aquariums (it's $40 per person at National Aquarium now).

But hey, on the bright side all the outdated arguments about internal paywalls can finally be put to bed right? Right...?

~Thylo

No, you can still buy limited admission. Bronx Zoo Limited Admission - Bronx Zoo
 
Which is total bull****

I must say that the level of debate on this site has really impressed me. Can't refute logic and powerful arguments. :rolleyes:

I understand both sides of the argument. On the one end, Tigris is clearly frustrated and this is an understandable show of indignation rather than a tangible argument. On the other hand, I do see why a lack of a tangible argument would elicit such a response. Either way, take it from a guy who loathes sarcasm and take it from a guy who loathes seemingly meaningless indignation, there is a more practical solution to this very problem. Zoos thrive off of direct support/donations along with volunteer work and strong community sypport, and every last bit helps. Maybe I sound naïve. Maybe I'm hopped up on inspiration from volunteering at a zoo myself or reading Gary K. Clarke's autobiography, but drive and a method of actually doing something about an issue rather than sitting in our armchairs and moping will >maybe< eke out a more permanent solution. Even if it's not a brand new elephant complex, something as simple as a row of small aviaries peppered between Dholes, Himalayan Highlands and Tiger Mountain would be exciting.

I hope what I'm saying makes sense.
 
Ah look at that, I didn't see that when I looked at ticket prices last night.

~Thylo

If you click on "buy tickets" at the top of the page, next to donate and membership, it doesn't show up. But if you click on "plan your visit" and scroll down to the admission block, the link is under the orange "view ticket rates" button, above the group prices.
 
Apologies for my crudeness

What I mean is that with how much money the state and city have for other grossly frivolous expenses such as the aforementioned stadium, I find it infuriating that such valuable money shouldn't be given to a institution that has been doing good for the better part of over a century for the people of NY.

Think of how much good the Bronx Zoo provides to the people of NY in terms of education and entertainment. Even just seeing the animals is such a powerful experience for many in such an urban context.

Thus, for the state to not give the WCS parks a handsome stipend is nothing short of completely idiotic in my opinion.


Let me meander a bit off-track for a moment with regard to state funding. I learned a lot more than I wanted to know about public funding of stadiums and sports arenas when I was on the Tiger Stadium Fan Club executive committee.

They have dropped a billion taxpayer dollars on the fabulously wealthy couple who own the Buffalo Bills for a new stadium when the current one is perfectly serviceable. As far as I know, not one distinterested study shows that such public money actually does anything for the public good, although it provides some jobs for a couple of years and as I say makes the owners even richer.

Distributing money to the zoos of the state, Bronx and smaller ones, would actually benefit the public, providing education and enjoyment to perhaps millions of people. But there are no powerful interest groups supporting that and alas, I don't think Zoo Chatters will be able to form such a group.
 
Detroit in its current state, at least in the Midwest.

I wish I could argue. I'm a member and I wind up there probably once a month. I am fully aware that the idea of a modern zoo is something other than jamming as many species in as you can, but they've deccessioned a lot and when I go I sometimes hear people say that there's just not that much to see anymore.
 
Let me meander a bit off-track for a moment with regard to state funding. I learned a lot more than I wanted to know about public funding of stadiums and sports arenas when I was on the Tiger Stadium Fan Club executive committee.

They have dropped a billion taxpayer dollars on the fabulously wealthy couple who own the Buffalo Bills for a new stadium when the current one is perfectly serviceable. As far as I know, not one distinterested study shows that such public money actually does anything for the public good, although it provides some jobs for a couple of years and as I say makes the owners even richer.

Distributing money to the zoos of the state, Bronx and smaller ones, would actually benefit the public, providing education and enjoyment to perhaps millions of people. But there are no powerful interest groups supporting that and alas, I don't think Zoo Chatters will be able to form such a group.
Hasn't the state of New York given some grants to at least a few zoos/Aquariums in recent years? I known at a minimum Aquarium of Niagara and Seneca Park Zoo both received some state funding. And while I agree more funding for zoos would be amazing, state funding is also limited and there are a lot of concerns that are equal or higher importance than zoos (education, roads, police and fire, etc.) Now, a new stadium I would agree is a waste of state funding, but that could just be the fact I'm not a sports fan :).
 
Hasn't the state of New York given some grants to at least a few zoos/Aquariums in recent years? I known at a minimum Aquarium of Niagara and Seneca Park Zoo both received some state funding. And while I agree more funding for zoos would be amazing, state funding is also limited and there are a lot of concerns that are equal or higher importance than zoos (education, roads, police and fire, etc.) Now, a new stadium I would agree is a waste of state funding, but that could just be the fact I'm not a sports fan :).
Well especially funding a stadium that could have easily been privately funded too. This is just pure corruption and greed
 
It has to be San Diego. For a zoo that calls itself "The World Famous San Diego Zoo" and one that is known has "The best zoo in the world", it sure does fail to meet such expectations. The majority of people that haven't even been to the zoo call it the best in the nation due to word of mouth. And the majority that have been to it ignore all of the below average exhibits present in the park. There are two entire sections of the zoo(Urban Jungle and Asian Passage) that need to be bulldozed ASAP. The remaining of part of the horn and hoof mesa displays ungulates in small, dusty paddocks. The Elephant Odyssey has been discussed on this site to death. And parts of the Lost Forest aren't aging quite nicely either, most notably the Tiger River. Even most of the stronger parts of the zoo aren't world class by any means. The only part of the zoo that I would call world class is Africa Rocks(although I haven't seen the new Children's zoo yet and it looks great). The Ituri Forest is solid, but not even close in terms of quality to other African Forest complexes like Congo or the "African Forest" from Columbus. Polar Bear Plunge has a decent polar bear exhibit, but the rest of the exhibits range from average to poor. I think you get my point. The zoo will continue to hold the title of "Best zoo in the world" to many people due to the near perfect collection and beautiful weather, but I have always found the place to be overrated.
 
It has to be San Diego. For a zoo that calls itself "The World Famous San Diego Zoo" and one that is known has "The best zoo in the world", it sure does fail to meet such expectations. The majority of people that haven't even been to the zoo call it the best in the nation due to word of mouth. And the majority that have been to it ignore all of the below average exhibits present in the park. There are two entire sections of the zoo(Urban Jungle and Asian Passage) that need to be bulldozed ASAP. The remaining of part of the horn and hoof mesa displays ungulates in small, dusty paddocks. The Elephant Odyssey has been discussed on this site to death. And parts of the Lost Forest aren't aging quite nicely either, most notably the Tiger River. Even most of the stronger parts of the zoo aren't world class by any means. The only part of the zoo that I would call world class is Africa Rocks(although I haven't seen the new Children's zoo yet and it looks great). The Ituri Forest is solid, but not even close in terms of quality to other African Forest complexes like Congo or the "African Forest" from Columbus. Polar Bear Plunge has a decent polar bear exhibit, but the rest of the exhibits range from average to poor. I think you get my point. The zoo will continue to hold the title of "Best zoo in the world" to many people due to the near perfect collection and beautiful weather, but I have always found the place to be overrated.
After seeing the new Children's Zoo in person last week, it was enough to throw out any previous thoughts that the San Diego Zoo is overrated. I still certainly wouldn't call it the best in the world or even the country - Omaha is still miles better in my eyes, but I won't ever think 'Why do people rate this place so high?'. The Safari Park on the other hand, I couldn't stop thinking that.
 
After seeing the new Children's Zoo in person last week, it was enough to throw out any previous thoughts that the San Diego Zoo is overrated. I still certainly wouldn't call it the best in the world or even the country - Omaha is still miles better in my eyes, but I won't ever think 'Why do people rate this place so high?'. The Safari Park on the other hand, I couldn't stop thinking that.
Well I still think San Diego is a top 5 zoo in the country. I never questioned why it’s rated so high. I just don’t see it being the best zoo in the country. I found Bronx and Omaha to be much better. And I haven’t even visited Columbus or St Louis yet, which may or may not move San Diego down for me.
 
I've been going back and fourth on the San Diego vs Omaha debate for a while now. When I recently posted my rankings of North American zoos I've visited thus far, I put Omaha at number one and San Diego at number two. However, both zoos are so close in my mind that I genuinely cannot say one stands out over the other - although keep in mind I have not seen San Diego's Wildlife Bascamp yet. What I have come to realize however is that these two zoos are great for completely different reasons.

Omaha has a far better standard of exhibitry than San Diego especially when it comes to larger animals. I can say without question that when it comes to elephants, giraffes, rhinos, antelope, zebras, lions, tigers, cheetahs, (sloth) bears, and takin, Omaha absolutely crushes San Diego on all fronts. Omaha has exhibits that could be argued as the best in the country for all of these species. Meanwhile, besides the elephants, San Diego keeps these species in accommodations that are pretty mediocre. Omaha also has an astronomically more diverse array of aquatic life and Madagascan species. I must also add that the attention to detail for both animals and guests is easily the greatest of of any zoo I've been to, as evident by the millions spent in quality of life upgrades. While there are still flaws - there still too many small exhibits in the Lied Jungle and Desert Dome that need more appropriate residents and the Madagascar building is seriously second-rate - for a zoo of this size it's about as close to perfect as you could reasonably ask.

Where San Diego fails in consistent exhibitry, it makes up for in its presentation. Simply put, the atmosphere of San Diego is unparalleled anywhere else in the world. The amazing botanical gardens, dense forest environments, and the cornucopia of canyons and mesas create a maze of fascinating exhibits tucked into every nook and cranny. The collection is still remarkable and it feels like you could stumble upon another interesting species at any moment which is something few zoos are able to pull off nowadays. It's less organized than Omaha, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. While I just criticized many of the enclosures for larger megafauna, it's the small things where the zoo is at its best: the assortment of outdoor reptile habitats, the smaller but beautifully planted bird aviaries, hummingbird habitat, Australian exhibits, etc. Of course, there's also the huge walkthrough aviaries, multi-leveled primate enclosures, Africa Rocks, great ape exhibits, and the new buildings in the Wildlife Explorers Basecamp, so there are more than enough examples of wonderfully designed animal habitats here as well.

While Omaha has my vote for now, let me sleep on it and I'd maybe change my mind. I'm hoping to return to San Diego next year so hopefully then I can settle this internal conflict once and for all after a return visit.
 
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