Chester Zoo Natural Vision Plans

As a matter of interest Chester has just lost 40 million toward this project. I would have thought that investing in the current site would have been more cost effective rather than spending huge amounts of money on a 'show piece' that never get funded or built.

- Huge funding boost blow for city projects

This is a blow to the project, but I also agree that Chester should continue to develop and invest in the current site.
 
As a matter of interest Chester has just lost 40 million toward this project. I would have thought that investing in the current site would have been more cost effective rather than spending huge amounts of money on a 'show piece' that never get funded or built.
The zoo's investment in Natural Vision has so far been primarily time and planning resources, the majority of the actual cost of creating the plans - surveys, architect fees, feasibility studies - has been covered by the £3.8M development grant.
 
It is unfortunate, but irrelevant to pursueing the project Natural Vision further. That remains on track as it is a long term vision. It is however sad that a development authority chooses to hit the jewels in the crown first over less deserving goals and visions.
 
It is unfortunate, but irrelevant to pursueing the project Natural Vision further. That remains on track as it is a long term vision.
But where do you think the funds are coming from for that? One of the purposes of Heart of Africa was to generate a seasonally more stable income stream to fund later phases.
 
Are there any plans/diagrams of the savannah area or any lists of proposed species for the area available online to view?

I am sure I have seen something like it but I can't seem to find it anymore.
 
Are there any plans/diagrams of the savannah area or any lists of proposed species for the area available online to view?

I am sure I have seen something like it but I can't seem to find it anymore.

You want Design and Access Statement Parts 9.1-9.50, page 1 for proposed species list, and Design and Access statement Parts 9.51-9.64 page 9 onwards for proposed design of the savannah zone.


Case File
 
Chester Zoo has now written to all its members asking them to "express your support" for the Natural Vision planning application, which will go before the planning committee on 16th September 2010.

The letter gives the planning reference number and a brief overview of what is involved:

"If the plans are permitted, the scheme will involve the creation of a new Heart of Africa biodome. As part of the first phase, new visitor and guest services buildings and an extended car park with a new access point are planned. The outline masterplan sets a framework for a new conservation college, hotel and a range of new covered exhibits within the Zoo [sic], ensuring that Chester Zoo becomes an all-weather experience. Natural Vision would see mixed herd exhibits introduced, creating a more naturalistic experience and new animal species would be introduced."

Firstly, I think it's fairly clear that Heart of Africa is not going to go ahead any time soon so that passage is somewhat misleading, and secondly given that 99% of members won't have any clue about the true scope of Natural Vision, I thought the letter was particularly remiss in not providing any details on how to find additional information or the planning application documents themselves.

As an aside, I'm growing to hate the term "more naturalistic", and new animal species are introduced all the time.
 
Cheshire West & Cheshire have approved the zoo's Natural Vision project it will now be referred to the Secetary of State. :)
 
Cheshire West & Cheshire have approved the zoo's Natural Vision project it will now be referred to the Secetary of State. :)

Excellent news :D. Does this SofS have to approve them aswell, or does he have another role?

(As you can tell, I don't know how all this works :p)
 
Excellent news :D. Does this SofS have to approve them aswell, or does he have another role?

(As you can tell, I don't know how all this works :p)

Im not sure if im honest as i heard the news via SMR's twitter so hopefully SMR won't mind me stealing his thunder :P
 
Hopefully some work can start in the not too distant future then, as funding will be hard to get, but the money from the NWDA was never a set amount, and so wouldn't have been a key part of the financial strategy, well that what i read into everything anyway.
 
Hopefully some work can start in the not too distant future then, as funding will be hard to get, but the money from the NWDA was never a set amount, and so wouldn't have been a key part of the financial strategy, well that what i read into everything anyway.

I'm wondering whether they will move cheaper phases forward, such as the African Savannah (since most of this is already done) and the Cheshire Experience. Can't be sure though :p
 
true, but if they got the biome sorted it would bring in more revenue for the zoo and enable the other work to be carried out, also free up some other parts of the zoo, such as the chimp house
 
@LeeMac13: Hehe, it probably would ;p

@jde7582: It's true, the biodome would bring in more revenue, but they need the money to build it in the first place. If the cheaper things can bring in revenue, then they can save for the biodome at a later stage (in my opinion).
 
Cheshire West and Cheshire approved the application by nine votes to two. Its approval had been recommended by the planning inspectorate, who produced a long document weighing up the pros and cons of all aspects of the development, but it was the committee itself - made up of local counsellors - who had the final say.

One of the key points was whether the plans satisfied "very special circumstances" requirements that allow for developments on green belt land, and while one hotel and an education centre could, the planning inspectors thought that two hotels and a garden centre was "egging the pudding", hence their removal from the application (as mentioned on my Tweet this afternoon).

Because the development is on the green belt, it now has to be approved by the Secretary of State under the 2009 directive. It could be rubber stamped, but if it is not, then the next step would be a public enquiry.

It's important to differentiate between the different phases of the application. It's a "hybrid" application, which means that some elements are approved in detail while some are "outlined". The detailed elements include the Heart of Africa biodome and new traffic infrastructure and entrance, for which the zoo submitted detailed plans.

The outline application covers the remainder of what we know as Natural Vision (including the hotel) and are approved in principal. This means that individual elements within the project, such as outlying buildings, still have to be submitted for approval and still have to meet "very special circumstances" criteria.

Work on both phases must begin within the next five years.

It was a long meeting and I don't think anyone wants to be bored by all the finer points, but most of the issues raised were as one would expect. Local representatives mentioned the native wildlife, one stated that the zoo needed to foster a better relationship with its neighbours, there were questions about the dome's height (apparently visible from Liverpool airport), the light pollution, and that the outlying plans were too vague and commercial. The most vehement objections came from Anne Jones of the Campaign to Protect Rural England, who was disappointed in the lack of detail in regards to the green belt within the planning inspectorate's assessment, and from a Mr. Hobbs representing (some) local residents, who said that the zoo had treated the public with "contempt" and manipulated opinion by asking NEZS members to write letters of endorsement.

Most of the objections related to the outline portion of the plans and their potential commercialism, whereas most, even Upton residents, approved of Heart of Africa due to its zoological nature. The chosen location for the hotel was the subject of some debate, with its visibility from the A41 being cited as a negative aspect. A number of people asked why it couldn't be built "inside the zoo itself" (on the elephant paddock perhaps?).

A number of local counsellors spoke and it was noticeable that some began their addresses with "these aren't my opinions", explaining that that they were duty bound to relay the concerns of those the represent. A number worded their submissions carefully as to relay objections and yet still appear in favour of the project.

There was also a lot of support for the plans, including from Philip Martin of the Green Bough Hotel and president of the Chester hotels association. He explained that every single one of his members, from the Grosvenor Hotel down, were in favour of the plans (thereby nullifying objections based on the grounds of the zoo hotel taking business away from existing establishments). Professor Gordon McGregor Reid spoke on behalf of the zoo. A number of the planning committee also voiced their support, one rightly saying that the advantages both from commercial and conservation standpoints of such a significant development vastly outweighed the issues local residents may have, and that it was unrealistic of those who had moved to Upton in the period since the 1930s when the zoo first opened, not to expect it to develop over time.

There were a few minor issues, such as continuing access to Flag Lane, and it was requested that the zoo's opening hours be extended to allow for a more staggered "going home time", something I doubt many regular visitors will complain about.

Questions; fire away.
 
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