ZSL London Zoo New Bird House

I didn't realise they kept species this delicate. It's hard to ascertain as they aren't the longest-lived birds if conditions aren't optimal, and Tropical wings does not contribute to ISIS. For similar reasons, I was assuming that Slimbridge may still have some hummingbirds in its tropical house....as they don't list their birds on ISIS either. Then again, unless they bred successfully, the original birds are likely to have died out by now.

Amazon World Zoo appear to have single birds of many sunbird species, but no hummingbirds, according to ISIS. I could be wrong, but I think the owners of Amazon World may be connected to/owned by a major importer of exotic birds in Essex, and may have acquired species this way rather than from other zoos, as I assume was the case for London, hence the difficulty in obtaining mates for all those sunbirds.

Hopefully London will be successful with their hummingbirds, but will several hundred thousand pointing schoolchildren entering the enclosure every year, who knows how long they'll last?!
Slimbridge have not had a Hummingbird in the tropical house their since the early 90`s but the sign for them was still up in 2001.Not sure if the Hummingbird is still alive at Tropicalwings but it was their in march last year.
 
@CZ Jimmy: thanks for posting that link, and I was surprised to read that there will be 50 different species of birds.
 
The tropical bird gardens at Ventnor on the Isle of Wight, which closed in the mid 1990's, had hummingbirds in their tropical house at one time, in fact they had a number of rarities including Great Hornbills and Hyacinthine Macaws. Birdworld also opened a tropical house for hummingbirds in the late 80's.
 
BBC video tour of the new bird house: BBC News Player - Tropical bird exhibit opens

I must sayit appears a very 19th century presentation to me (the house, not the video), An exhibit designed by animal curators I'd say. No one will get excited about the wonder of birds who did not walk in already excited.

Why does LZ keep doing this?
 
BBC video tour of the new bird house: BBC News Player - Tropical bird exhibit opens

I must sayit appears a very 19th century presentation to me (the house, not the video), An exhibit designed by animal curators I'd say. No one will get excited about the wonder of birds who did not walk in already excited.

Why does LZ keep doing this?

what do you mean by that? Only I'm interested in your perspective, especially with how they've landscaped it. I haven't yet seen the house, but from the footage I've seen it does seem slightly underwhelming. I am assuming this is partly becuase of the light, they must be restricted in terms of the original structure, and also the plants need to mature. The exhibit appears to be trying to be both an immersion exhibit and a piece of restored history, without achieving either. However, given the limitations they have had to work with, I think it's a very good refurbishment of a difficult building. Also, it's unfortunate that it has had to follow a split level perspex domed rainforest exhibit, with mammals and free-flying birds in the clore last year.

It seems they have just two hummingbirds. I wonder if they are keeping any in an off-exhibit breeding facility? There is mention of working with the dutch hummingbird foundation via EAZA, does this mean there is a sizeable captive hummingbird population in europe? I wonder if there are any private breeders in the UK still.
 
I suppose what I am saying - based solely on that video - is that it appears to be rather old style concept of rows of cages, a few plants, yet without the panache of a beautifully detailed 19th century aviary. Bare ground, clumsy pools... like the new gorilla exhibit (only seen it in pictures) it wants to be new but ends up as mere a tidy-up of the old. I have always wanted (perhaps not expected?) the London Zoo to be a leader, and yet they are hardly even a follower. I recall when I first saw the Snowdon Aviary I was awed by it. Where's that spirit today?
 
dropped into the zoo this morning, will post properly on 'london zoo notes' thread....

I see what you are saying, especially about the floors. I suppose people will insist on wearing high heels to the zoo :) but yes it also massively alters the acoustics of an enclosed space with that much hard surface. There is a deafening waterfall in the main flight space which can be heard throughout the house. Zoos so often install huge waterfalls in new exhibits, why?!

The worst section of the house is as you enter, this hall has all the individual flights, and there are three large aviaries in a row holding a pair of Toco toucans, a single grey-winged trumpeter, and a pair of keel-billed toucans. The toucans are new pairs. Keeping large birds such as these in entirely indoor flights gives the house an old fashioned feel; you almost feel as if yr seeing footage of a zoo in some old movie, if you get what I mean? The tocos can only move constantly between two upright branches about 3 metres apart. Also, you can see visitors moving through the flight area through the wire of these cages, I don't understand why they didn't make the back walls of these solid to give the birds a little more security. Also in this first hall were small aviaries, (resembling what was there before) in the corners for lorikeets, congo peafowl, madagascar partridge, bali starlings and pekin robins. One of the mount apo lorikeets was severly plucked.

An unfortunate feature of the house is that in the main flight area and some of the smaller aviaries, a wire roof prevents the birds from reaching the apex roof space, or perching on the horizontal supports up there.

The main area is slightly underwhelming but possibly when the vegetation matures this will change. Certainly the doves and waders looked very relaxed, although there was a very sickly looking hooded pitta.

I have to say what none of the videos showed me was how good the nectar-feeder space is. This is a separate space you enter after the main flight, full of epiphytes..bromeliads and 'airplants' etc', mosses and other plants in both the aviaries and the visitor space, and you have two hummingbird aviaries on the right and a row of sunbird aviaries on the left. They have 3 female hummingbirds, bred in germany and the netherlands by private keepers, and are awaiting a male. Once the birds in this area are used to their space and the public, they are going to open the hatches and gradually allow them to use the public area. Given the agressive nature of some sunbirds, I imagine they won't be mixed. The room was misted constantly, and there are rope barriers to prevent the public crowding the birds. Some of the sunbirds appeared to be quite stressed, but most seemed relaxed, as did the hummingbirds.

The outside has the breeding toco toucan pair, buff-necked ibis, frogmouths, green aracaris, and the scarlet ibis have been removed from the african bird safari back to a less spacious home in a flight just before the squirrel monkey exhibit. I'll set up a gallery and post the photos over the weekend.
 
Where are the zoo's Hornbills then?

What lories were there? Still the Blue crowned, Black winged and Mount Apo?

Also, that Mount Apo lorikeet has been plucked for a while, well if it the same one as in Pedro's gallery (photozoo.org)
 
The hornbills may be in the aviary which formerly held the toucans (near the Snowden and the owls).

Just a guess though...
 
Yeah, all the hornbills I saw were on the North Bank. I didn't properly study all the outside flights of the blackburn though, I remember the casqued hornbill at least being in one of these, but I didn't see her. I think all three of those lory species were in the blackburn.
 
The most amazing thing was to hear how ZSL are learning what they can about hummingbird husbandry from private breeders in europe, who do really well breeding them in small 1.5m square cages. In fact the only reason that hummingbirds have continued to be represented in europe is that private breeders have been quietly maintaining populations amongst themselves.

I really hope that private keepers will eventually be able to work on equal terms with EEPs/ ESBs and will, in each country, be classed and recorded as one giant off-exhibit facility by ISIS, etc, as there is so much potential for really good populations to be maintained by private individuals if only there was enough trust to move away from monetary value being placed on their animals once fully integrated into regional programs.
 
dropped into the zoo this morning, will post properly on 'london zoo notes' thread....

I see what you are saying, especially about the floors. I suppose people will insist on wearing high heels to the zoo :) but yes it also massively alters the acoustics of an enclosed space with that much hard surface. There is a deafening waterfall in the main flight space which can be heard throughout the house. Zoos so often install huge waterfalls in new exhibits, why?!

The worst section of the house is as you enter, this hall has all the individual flights, and there are three large aviaries in a row holding a pair of Toco toucans, a single grey-winged trumpeter, and a pair of keel-billed toucans. The toucans are new pairs. Keeping large birds such as these in entirely indoor flights gives the house an old fashioned feel; you almost feel as if yr seeing footage of a zoo in some old movie, if you get what I mean? The tocos can only move constantly between two upright branches about 3 metres apart. Also, you can see visitors moving through the flight area through the wire of these cages, I don't understand why they didn't make the back walls of these solid to give the birds a little more security. Also in this first hall were small aviaries, (resembling what was there before) in the corners for lorikeets, congo peafowl, madagascar partridge, bali starlings and pekin robins. One of the mount apo lorikeets was severly plucked.

An unfortunate feature of the house is that in the main flight area and some of the smaller aviaries, a wire roof prevents the birds from reaching the apex roof space, or perching on the horizontal supports up there.

The main area is slightly underwhelming but possibly when the vegetation matures this will change. Certainly the doves and waders looked very relaxed, although there was a very sickly looking hooded pitta.

I have to say what none of the videos showed me was how good the nectar-feeder space is. This is a separate space you enter after the main flight, full of epiphytes..bromeliads and 'airplants' etc', mosses and other plants in both the aviaries and the visitor space, and you have two hummingbird aviaries on the right and a row of sunbird aviaries on the left. They have 3 female hummingbirds, bred in germany and the netherlands by private keepers, and are awaiting a male. Once the birds in this area are used to their space and the public, they are going to open the hatches and gradually allow them to use the public area. Given the agressive nature of some sunbirds, I imagine they won't be mixed. The room was misted constantly, and there are rope barriers to prevent the public crowding the birds. Some of the sunbirds appeared to be quite stressed, but most seemed relaxed, as did the hummingbirds.

The outside has the breeding toco toucan pair, buff-necked ibis, frogmouths, green aracaris, and the scarlet ibis have been removed from the african bird safari back to a less spacious home in a flight just before the squirrel monkey exhibit. I'll set up a gallery and post the photos over the weekend.

Thanks, sounds interesting. Also visited today, but missed the bird house. Pretty annoying considering that's what I wanted to see most, but I was with mates and so democracy prevailed. (We were limited with time).
 
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I dont know if anyone has said this but amazon world has humming birds in a small aviary and i have actually seen these in person last year, so i guess it is a lie they are the only ones in the U.K
 
Really? Were they definitely hummingbirds and not sunbirds or honeycreepers? Do you remember what species they were? I wonder if they are fairly recent arrivals?
 
Yes, their website says it too

look at the amazon world thread we discussed it there a while back

im not a bird expert and all i remeber was a few pollen feedes in the aviary
 
Yes their website has said that for a number of years now, I don't doubt that they may have imported some at some point, but as you will gather from that thread on Amazon World, the rarer stock is starting to dwindle as we all speculate on the conditions we have seen there being partly to blame..

Amazon World tend to list their bird stock on ISIS (www.isis.org), not always reliable but it does show the remaining nectar-feeders they keep are all (single) sunbirds of various species. I would be very encouraged if they were keeping hummingbirds, or any nectar-feeders at all, in smaller cages with a view to breeding, as without the base to at least return to at night, it is impossible to really monitor the condition or wherabouts of such delicate and small birds in a large planted greenhouse.
 
Yes their website has said that for a number of years now, I don't doubt that they may have imported some at some point, but as you will gather from that thread on Amazon World, the rarer stock is starting to dwindle as we all speculate on the conditions we have seen there being partly to blame..

Amazon World tend to list their bird stock on ISIS (www.isis.org), not always reliable but it does show the remaining nectar-feeders they keep are all (single) sunbirds of various species. I would be very encouraged if they were keeping hummingbirds, or any nectar-feeders at all, in smaller cages with a view to breeding, as without the base to at least return to at night, it is impossible to really monitor the condition or wherabouts of such delicate and small birds in a large planted greenhouse.

Sadly i have not visited the zoo recently but i do know exactly where they are housed (or used to be) we really need someone who visits the collection regulary and after my last trip i dont really plan to re-visit!
 
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The trumpeter is beautiful, I just wish it had more room....its a common trumpeter by the way and not a grey-winged, I got confused as I'd never seen one!

I'm not sure what species you mean by common trumpeter (pale-winged or dark-winged?) but the one in the video is a grey-winged. I think that's the only one kept widely because the founding stock as often is the case originated from Guyanas where that's the only trumpeter.
 
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