New equine collection in the making?

tizer said:
If you two are going to argue about animals being killed in zoos, please start your own thread! and to all of you whom have wished me well, thank you so much for all your support. I am very grateful and very happy. :)
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Well said and good luck with your collection hope everything keeps going well for you with it.
 
This is a forum for zoo discussion, we are discussing zoos, not arguing. I hate these negative comments on this forum, it really lowers the tone. This is both relevant to this thread and in many ways credits this new collection. May I remind you of the name of the forum "Zoochat" not "go elsewhere to discuss what you want to discuss, cause I dont like it". And until I am barred off this forum I will continue to discuss relevant zoo matters (regardless of what other people think) when and where I feel it is relevant!
 
taun said:
Off course am not in the industry, am entitled to my opinion. I have not turned around and said it should not happen, so why attack me?

Am just trying to find evidence of it actually happening because am sorry but I fail to except that the animals cannot be moved somewhere in the world? Or is the cost too great and therefore keeper to kill the animals?

It would also prove me wrong when I have argued against members on here that it was rife in zoos, so why would I still want to get evidence for it? Am interested in knowing, but no one is prepared to actually tell me anything? If it’s such an important form of captive management what’s the big secret?
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At no point did I infer you had no rights to an opinion (do people never tire of using this statement?). You do however falsely presume you have a right to know the ins and outs of the industry.

What puzzles me is why you arguing with anyone if you have no first hand experience in the industry?

If you STILL fail to see why these procedures are not widely publicised then you are beyond help.
 
tizer said:
:) May I firstly put in a correction that I actually have 3.1 zebras here at present. I am an acredited associate member of BIAZA and have support from 2 zoos and work with most of the collections in the UK with Plains zebras, as they are my speciality.
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Hi Tizer and welcome to Zoochat. Can I ask a few questions;

1. Which zoos/parks did your existing Zebras come from?

2. Are Zebras held by you likely to be moved back into zoo herds at any time?

3. Whipsnade have(or had last year and he's still listed) a single 'bachelor' Chapman's stallion. Any chance he might come to you?
 
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Hi Tizer,



good luck with your plans and I also have a small question: which species are you planning to acquire in the near future?
 
Hi,

2 of my zebs came from Dublin, 1 from Folly Farm and 1 from Africa Alive.

Yes my lot are available to go other collections if needed

The aim for my collection is to have a bachelor herd and when the animals reach sexual maturity and are required in other collections they will move. I cannot comment on the Whipsnade boy I have no idea what their plans are.

The plans for the next species will depend what I am asked to have and what I can fit in. I am licenced to have Plains, Grevys, Hartmanns, Kiang, Kulan, Onager, Somali and Prezwalski's. If a collection has a injured or sick animal or hand rear it is possible for me to take it.

I am very lucky. :)
 
It is great to hear that an individual is taking such a strong interest in these often overlooked species in zoos.
So the plan is to be a holding facility, rather than a breeding facility?
Will the collection be open to the general public?
 
Nutmeg is groovy, He is actually my favourite and he is target training really well.

My collection is a private one and will not be open to the public! I am working with public collections and will do what ever I can for the Plains zebras in particular.
 
tizer said:
:)Hello all, thank you for showing such interest in my goings on! May I firstly put in a correction that I actually have 3.1 zebras here at present. I am an acredited associate member of BIAZA and have support from 2 zoos and work with most of the collections in the UK with Plains zebras, as they are my speciality. I also obviously have a DWA and I comply with all the standards required by all the governing bodies. Now rather than spout on here I will let you ask what you want and try to answer you, if you wish to ask. Oh and Przewalski's are not next on my list although I have been offered 5 over the past few months. :)
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As I observed before, I am glad there is more private involvement with public zoo breeding programmes. On the Ark we need all the help we can get to assure species in need receive any captive holding spaces available.

I cannot predict the future ..., but certainly your facility may come to play a very important role in securing both surplus (and perhaps - well I am not sure if that is the intention eventually - to breed) and breeding groups of rare and endangered equids. Obviously, where surplus stallions is concerned most EEPs' are clamouring for more holding spaces. Your contribution is both important and timely. :cool:
 
I would just like to say thankyou for all your lovely comments, it is so nice to have nice things said. :)
 
I'd like to add that I have personally watched this project develop over the past couple of years and seen how much effort and attention to detail has gone into it.

"The Housing looks okay."

We should all be reminded that what you see on television is very rarely the whole truth and can be quite misleading. The Hill Livery facility includes a secure stable block of six stalls to house animals individually or in pairs. Anyone with experience managing zebra species will appreciate the benefits of this system. Each stall has an ajoining hardstanding with a larger communal yard for use in inclement weather. Additionally there is a large grassy paddock with a second one under construction.

One has to remember that this is not a public facility and as such is not constructed as an "exhibit". The set up is functional and spot-on for performing the role it plays.

Though the UK herd of Plains Zebras has not been mismanaged, there are currently no formal studbook or population management plans. Thus a facility such as this and an individual prepared to voluntarily coordinate the species within the UK are both very welcome additions to the UK zoo community. The whole project is timely, far-sighted and will continue to receive my full support.

Good luck with it all Tizer.
 
Paradoxurus said:
"The Housing looks okay."

We should all be reminded that what you see on television is very rarely the whole truth and can be quite misleading.
Though the UK herd of Plains Zebras has not been mismanaged, there are currently no formal studbook or population management plans.
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What I meant was that I approved it, so I should perhaps have said 'good' or 'excellent' rather than merely 'okay' -though I haven't seen anything about this on TV and made that judgement just from the photo on the printed news item.

I also made a suggestion to Terri about another Zebra which might benefit from her care, and obviously I wouldn't have done that if I didn't think the facilities were of a good standard.
 
Zebra! There are now 3 theories of why stripes help zebra survive. The original was camouflage (what bs that was!), #2 is a dynamic camouflage (which only works when they are in a herd), and #3 is that the tetsie fly which has a compound eye can 'find' large dark wildebeests easily but has a very hard time finding our stripped friend!
 
[#3 is that the tetsie fly which has a compound eye can 'find' large dark wildebeests easily but has a very hard time finding our stripped friend![/QUOTE]

If you 'stripped' a zebra, would it be black or white?:)
 
I've been told, but I don't know, that their skin is the color of the stripes and that there are two spieces of zebra: one with thick stripes and one with thin stripes, so you could say that one spieces is black on white and the other is the opposite :-)
 
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