San Diego Zoo New Map!!!

Ok, I responded to reduakari without looking at your post. The turtles aren't a bad example of what is being complained about imo, and I didn't even realize it was a part of Tiger River.

No they aren't a problem geographically speaking really. It's a big improvement over the Australian freshwater crocs that they housed there at one point. (although if I wanted to nitpick a couple of the turtle species are from east of Wallace's Line)
 
My take on the new map:

I have just visited the San Diego Zoo for the first time since the new map was created with 9 zones. As a long time visitor, it is certainly a new way of looking at the geography of the facility! It is true that several of the older area names were becoming less relevant, and there was certainly a need to more clearly direct first time visitors to their destinations (especially after Monkey Trails and Forest Tales was completed, an excellent exhibit complex and a cruel maze to connect to other complexes). However, the variety of new zone names and trail names and street names seem to lead to an equal amount of confusion. In addition, several of the zones have exhibit complexes which still feature their own entry signs (please do not get rid of these!) with different names than the zones in which they are located, which can only further disorient the uninitiated! For instance, Lost Forest visitors will encounter signs for Monkey Trails and Forest Tales, Gorilla Tropics, Australasia, and Tiger River.

One troubling trend is that 4 of the zones have been named with geographic references that do not accurately describe all the inhabitants actual native homes. Asian Passage has about 11 exhibits, 2 of which are not Asian. Africa Rocks has about 24 exhibits, 12 of which are not African. Outback suggests an Australian theme, yet it must have about 24 of the 40 or so that have nothing to do with the region. Polar Rim has about 15 exhibits, at least 10 of which are not polar!

Another downfall is that 2 of the zones have names which do not suggest what lies within, Discovery Outpost and Urban Jungle. Will future developments in these areas clarify the names? By the way, Urban Jungle is neither urban nor a jungle. Discuss.

Yet another problem is that two of the zones cover areas which do not feel like they are the same areas. Asian Passage is the lower half of one canyon as well as the hillside climbing up to a mesa. Outback is a level area of another mesa as well as an upper half of a canyon. Both have exhibits that are worlds apart in style and feeling.

The names of several of the zones do seem to make sense for describing the major exhibit draws or complexes. Only one is entirely composed of one exhibit complex, Elephant Odyssey, which is large enough by itself to fill one zone. Panda Canyon is nearly as logical, since it features the Giant Panda Research Station to which nearly everyone is headed, and only has 3 other small exhibits, 1 of which is for red pandas. Polar Rim is named after its Polar Bear Plunge complex, a much more popular destination than the hoofstock exhibits which share its zone. Africa Rocks is named after the Kopje complex, the only immersive exhibit in the zone, which is also the beginning of this zones path down the canyon. Outback seems to take its name from the koala exhibits within, another huge draw at the zoo, but could have also been named differently for the numerous bear exhibits which are also fairly popular. Asian Passage has a fairly logical name, since it acts as a shortcut from one mesa to another and features the immersive Sun Bear Forest. It is also adjacent to Panda Canyon, so its name further describes the link there. However, I'm not convinced that many visitors associate sun bears with Asia (even though they should) so it may not be successful for clarity.

Here is a rundown of the 9 zones:

Entry: This is not a named zone. It includes the entry buildings, Rondavel Room, Warner Administration Center, and Bus Tour loading and unloading areas.

Discovery Outpost: This includes the Skyfari East station, Otto Center, Childrens Zoo, Hummingbird Aviary, and Wegeforth Bowl. It also contains the Reptile House and outdoor reptile exhibit area, together formerly known as Reptile Mesa. I can see the challenge in naming such a diverse area.

Lost Forest: This zone is almost entirely composed of immersive exhibit complexes devoted to African and Asian forest animals. Monkey Trails and Forest Tales, Absolutely Apes (including the Parker and Owens Aviaries), Gorilla Tropics (including Scripps Aviary), Wings of Australasia, and the Treetops dining complex all occupy the mesa formerly known as Heart of the Zoo or Bird and Primate Mesa. Fern Canyon Trail is included. Tiger River and Ituri Forest occupy the area known long ago as Hippo Canyon. Oddly, the Birds of Prey Aviaries are the last part of this zone and do not match the rest. Disregarding this last discrepancy, the zoning makes sense due to the common thread of lush botanical jungle and exhibit style and era in which the complexes were built; even most of the benches and walkways and railings match from one complex to the next, easily forming what might seem to the first time visitor as a single massive complex. This is my favorite zone and if considered as one complex would be my number 1 exhibit complex anywhere! If this zone was spun off into orbit and settled in another city with similar climate, it would make my top 10 zoo list all by itself! The only complex missing in this zone is Sun Bear Forest, which has the same style as these others.

Asian Passage: This zone is composed of Sun Bear Forest, which is the lower half of the former Bear Canyon, the Canyon Cafe and moving walkways at the junction of the canyons, and the lowest few exhibits of the former Dog and Cat Canyon.

Panda Canyon: Features the Giant Panda Research Station and a few other exhibits in the area known long ago as Deer Canyon?

Outback: A strange area, this one includes the bear grottoes in the upper half of the former Bear Canyon, the various yards around the koalas, and the kiwi and anoa and monkey exhibits on Kiwi Trail.

Urban Jungle: This was formerly Elephant Mesa. The elephants have moved, replaced by rhinos which have been replaced by giraffes and gazelles and burros and flamingos. Whatever! First time visitors should save this area for last, currently it is aesthetically bland and spread out and there is little activity here.

Africa Rocks: Kopje exhibit and the various small grottoes and cages that were part of the former Dog and Cat Canyon (except the lowest ones included in Asian Passage), plus the Hunte Amphitheater.

Elephant Odyssey: Like it or hate it, its huge and here to stay with its own zone taking up about three-fourths of the former Horn and Hoof Mesa.

Polar Rim: This is composed of Polar Bear Plunge and the surviving area of Horn and Hoof Mesa.

I recently visited the Saint Louis Zoo for the first time, and it is also organized by zones composed of multiple exhibit complexes. I found their system more successful, does anyone know if it was the inspiration for this attempt?
 
So wait... you're saying there are flamingos and burros on Elephant Mesa (no, I WILL not refer to it as Urban Jungle, thank you very much)? So are the flamingos in the former tapir yard, and the burros in the former rhinoceros yard?:confused:
 
First, let me say that I am one who believes this IS the USA's #1 best zoo -- perhaps the best zoo in the world.

That being said, I don't like this map! The "Zones" are fine, but they need to KEEP the specific exhibit names (Tiger River, Polar Bear Plunge, Sun Bear Forest, Gorilla Tropics, etc.) Longtime visitors know these exhibits by these names and are emotionally attached to these names. Secondly, looking at the new map, a first-time visitor would have very little idea where to find his/her favorite animals or the famous exhibits he/she has heard of. Thirdly, Reptile Mesa definitely needs to be a "zone" by itself. Strip it (and the Reptile House) out of "Discovery Outpost" and give it a zone named "Reptile Kingdom" or something like that.

Personally, I hope this map goes the way as the infamous "New Coke".
 
Much of San Diego Zoo's planning efforts are now being done by "branding" firms that more typically do work for theme parks, restaurant chains etc.

20 years ago, zoo-focused designers (Jones and Jones from Seattle) were involved in developing an overall plan for the zoo based on creating zoogeographic and bioclimatic zones (Tiger River, Gorilla Tropics etc). Clearly, SDZS has decided to move on from that purist zoo approach and "embrace their inner theme park," which is now evident in everything from the admission pricing to the map being discussed here.

I, for one, really dislike the direction the zoo and Wild Animal Park have taken.
 
Ituri, the former rhino yard at the bend of the old bus road is divided in two for flamingos and burros. The former tapir yard was empty, I also remember the Sumatran rhino in that yard in 1990 or so. The society must have the largest flamingo collection in the world when the zoo and WAP exhibits are combined, and the WAP is currently building another new exhibit for them along the Journey Into Africa route!!!
 
Ituri, the former rhino yard at the bend of the old bus road is divided in two for flamingos and burros. The former tapir yard was empty, I also remember the Sumatran rhino in that yard in 1990 or so. The society must have the largest flamingo collection in the world when the zoo and WAP exhibits are combined, and the WAP is currently building another new exhibit for them along the Journey Into Africa route!!!


Burros???!!??
WTF??!!
 
the creation of EO and the hybrid africa/asia monkey trails was the end of geographic theming for san diego.

personally, i love zones based on regions as i find they send out a stronger conservation message that is more relevant to that particular zone.

so whilst sand diego may always hold the best collection in the world - its going to be debatable as to wether or not its actually the best zoo. especially as other zoos around the world are starting to come closer to being entirely redeveloped.
 
its going to be debatable as to whether or not its actually the best zoo. especially as other zoos around the world are starting to come closer to being entirely redeveloped.

It may be debatable as to whether they are the world's best zoo, but it will be a long time before it's really debatable as to whether or not they are the USA's best zoo. For that status, it's still easily #1 in America!
 
the creation of EO and the hybrid africa/asia monkey trails was the end of geographic theming for san diego.

personally, i love zones based on regions as i find they send out a stronger conservation message that is more relevant to that particular zone.

so whilst sand diego may always hold the best collection in the world - its going to be debatable as to wether or not its actually the best zoo. especially as other zoos around the world are starting to come closer to being entirely redeveloped.

Actually, I think the Pallas Cat/Red Panda replacing Arctic Foxes in the Polar Bear Plunge zone set the tone for the disintegration of any thematic consistency at San Diego. And as far as the quality of the collection--I'd say the loss of most of the former ungulate diversity is a sad trend, underscored by "new" exhibits of domestic horses in EO and now BURROS on the former Elephant Mesa!
 
I'd say the loss of most of the former ungulate diversity is a sad trend, underscored by "new" exhibits of domestic horses in EO and now BURROS on the former Elephant Mesa!

are the horses there as a stand-in for pleistocene horses? if thats the case they could have at least used mongolian horses, or even orangers or zebras.
 
I'm really uncomfortable with the direction San Diego is moving in. Growing up it was the place I always dreamed of visiting but the more I see and hear I'd be more excited about going to other zoos, Woodland Park Zoo being top of my wish list at the moment. More and more I'm feeling that bigger isn't better.
 
@Shirokuma: you'd surely love the Woodland Park Zoo in Seattle, as it has numerous brilliant exhibits and relies on a geographical layout. Some of the most popular zoo animals have fantastic enclosures, and you'd be hard-pressed to find better exhibits for jaguars, penguins, grizzly bears or orangutans at any other zoo in all of North America.

As far as San Diego is concerned, the new map is atrocious and one of the more confusing zoo maps in existence. The geographical layout of the zoo is basically non-existent, Elephant Odyssey has been bashed by just about everyone on this forum, and some of the exhibits are definitely outdated...BUT there are still many top-notch enclosures and the collection is amazing. It is #1 for me, but the gap is being closed by many other great North American zoos.
 
This whole ungulate thing is getting confusing. I do not remember the burro exhibit in Urban Jungle having a sign, so it may have been a temporary home.

In Elephant Odyssey, the horse (I only saw one) shares a yard with burros, alpacas, and dromedary camels. This yard is very barnyard-esque and has a supervised contact area where a keeper can bring out the animals in a small low-fenced pen for guests to pet. The day I was there they brought out the two dromedary camels who were very patient, being swarmed on three sides by visitors. This would have horrified my father, who witnessed a dromedary camel go haywire at a parking lot carnival in the 1950's and trample a kid to death. Anyway, another curious thing I noticed was an interpretive sign in front of this exhibit that talked about zebras being an example of a living descendant of extinct horse species, as if there were zebras in the yard. The only zebras on exhibit at the zoo are Grevys zebras in the first enclosure of Polar Rim (I know, I know), do they intend to have zebras in this yard eventually? If so, will they be paraded out into the petting enclosure? Yet more confusion comes from the exhibit website, which only pictures Przewalskis horses, photos obviously taken at the WAP.
 
Commercialisation and maps for the lowest common dominator... Beginning of the end for this institution...
 
Commercialisation and maps for the lowest common dominator... Beginning of the end for this institution...

The "end" began several years ago--it's just now really kicking into place.
There was a time when the London Zoo was considered the best on earth too....
 
Clearly, SDZS has decided to move on from that purist zoo approach and "embrace their inner theme park," which is now evident in everything from the admission pricing to the map being discussed here.

It is #1 for me, but the gap is being closed by many other great North American zoos.

Commercialisation and maps for the lowest common dominator... Beginning of the end for this institution...

Gosh, folks, it's a bad map -- that's all!! This is still EASILY the best zoo in the USA, and if the "gap is being closed", it's not closing by much! It's like New York City is the USA's biggest city, with 7.5 million people, with Los Angeles being #2 with 3.5 million. But the "gap is being closed" because LA gained 10,000 on NYC in the last decade. That's about how much the gap is being closed! Bronx, Omaha, Columbus, Disney, Woodland Park -- none of them are even close to the great San Diego Zoo! Sorry, but it's true.

Suggesting it's going the way of theme parks only stirs up those who hate Disney and Busch Gardens. San Diego never ever had a "purist zoo approach" -- thankfully so! It has long had a Disneyland-like Skyfari aerial sky ride, Sea World quality (and style) animal shows, and a unique doubledecker bus tour that would fit well in any great theme park. But this is not a problem for SDZ, it's part of what makes it so popular, and so great! Because of it's location, this zoo has long known that they have to compete with Disneyland, Knotts Berry Farm, and Sea World for attention, and for tourist dollars.

There is nothing to panic about with the San Diego Zoo -- it has a new map that many of us don't like. Fix that map and this problem goes away. But either way, this zoo remains #1 in the USA, and perhaps in the world.
 
There is nothing to panic about with the San Diego Zoo -- it has a new map that many of us don't like. Fix that map and this problem goes away. But either way, this zoo remains #1 in the USA, and perhaps in the world.

Um, I think they will need to "fix" the utter disaster that is "Elephant Odyssey" --for starters--before I will concede they are not on a fast downhill course to pure commercial banality.
 
Um, I think they will need to "fix" the utter disaster that is "Elephant Odyssey" --for starters--before I will concede they are not on a fast downhill course to pure commercial banality.

A "slight disappointment" is not an "utter disaster". Personally, I think Elephant Odyssey will look fine in a few years.

What's "commercial banality"? Does Disney's Animal Kingdom, with its 9 million visitors per year, fit that description?
 
What's "commercial banality"? Does Disney's Animal Kingdom, with its 9 million visitors per year, fit that description?

No, Disney's AK is brilliantly designed and masterfully operated. San Diego is looking like and being operated at the much lower level of a Six Flags, Knotts Berry Farm etc.

The operative term is "cheesy"
 
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