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I'd argue more of the issue is with the zoo management not the AZA management for having misplaced priorities in collection planning, and I wish more Zoos would look at how common species are nationwide to choose species most in need of additional holders, such as going with a different callicthrid species that's AZA managed instead of the Golden Lion or Cottontop Tamarins so many zoos have, or going with a different Spheniscus species instead of African Penguins. Those are decisions that the zoos make, however, not the AZA. If anything, I'd argue the TAGs need more power to enforce which of similar species zoos can keep- in an effort to more evenly distribute holding space amongst species with similar requirements.

I have heard many curators are only going by the SSPs and avoiding anything that isn't a program species. Many of the odd decisions are made at curator level, and frequently have more to do with curator preferences than AZA recommendations. It is not at all uncommon to see major collection shift with curator shifts.
 
I have heard many curators are only going by the SSPs and avoiding anything that isn't a program species. Many of the odd decisions are made at curator level, and frequently have more to do with curator preferences than AZA recommendations. It is not at all uncommon to see major collection shift with curator shifts.
Agreed. I was talking with one curator during a zoo visit who was very much to the book about SSPs and wanting as many of the SSP species as possible and as few non-SSP species... very interesting for a reptile curator. I don't want to reveal what zoo for the sake of their anonymity, but I will say its a zoo with a reasonable, but not huge reptile house, and the reptile house certainly reflects this management philosophy (barring a select few species). Granted, that's not the worst management philosophy- and it is a more interesting reptile house than if it held pet shop variety reptiles, etc., and I'm all for a good crotalid collection (something well-represented by the SSPs), but I can certainly see where it can be problematic when, not just one, but many, curators blindly follow SSP recommendations. However, the opposite is also not ideal- a complete disregard for SSP recommendations would not be a good course of action either. But I agree overall that I'd place more blame for the current state of collection planning in AZA Zoos with zoo management, not AZA management- as the AZA decisions basically just reflect the decisions made by the zoos themselves. One beneficial change that's slowly starting to occur, however, is merging some SSPs so that they're managed by one program leader- giving more authority for them to work with zoos about reconsidering which of similar species should be managed. This has been done with the three Gibbon SSPs- merged into one Gibbon SSP with a single leader, who could say to a zoo that "hey, can you keep white-cheeked gibbons instead of siamangs?" and balance out some of that popularity. Same thing has occurred with the two Orangutan populations and the two red panda populations. I'd love to see this as a model further followed- especially when the popularity of one species is causing detrimental effects to a similar species or subspecies with identical care requirements (such as the various callichtrid species, or some ungulate programs).
 
Yeah, the fact is that some species just "work" - they're easy to care for, readily available, and popular with guests - so that's what many zoos gravitate towards... especially if it's a taxa that management isn't too interested in. Consider waterfowl. Most zoos have one of three exotic duck species - ringed teal, mandarin duck, and white-faced whistling duck. None are managed by Anseriformes TAG. In fact, if the numbers of these three super-common (both in wild and in private sector) birds were reduced, it could greatly benefit populations of species that AZA (and by AZA I really mean the TAG) does want to manage, such as Madagascar teal, Orinoco goose, and Baer's pochard. But only the zoo or aquarium itself has power over its own collection. So yeah, we'd probably see more species diversity and sustainable populations if there was a central planning authority, but there's not, so we don't.
 
So I found a complete species list of Animal Kingdom on the WDW Entertainment website, and the Eld’s deer is not on there. Did the Elds deer die recently? If so, she was very old, around 20 years old.
 
That site looks like one of the many Disney bloggers that are out there. The multi-billion dollar company is not going to have a website that looks like it is hosted on an early 2000 web host server. Just one look at the homepage shows the Twitter account for that site is run by a person playing Wordle everyday.
 
So there was recently an article about some of the opening day animals at DAK for its 25th anniversary. 45 animals that have been there since the park opened are still there today. The ones mentioned were Mac the elephant, Gino the gorilla, Johnny the white stork, Jack and Jill the donkeys, Tuma the hippo and Sid the rhino iguana. Many of the original animals are old now because the park has been around for 25 years. The article said Sid is in his mid-40s and rhino iguanas normally only live 16-17 years, so is he the oldest rhino iguana in the world? I didn’t know he was actually that old. Some of the animals at DAK are very very old, such as Emma the Elds deer, the collared brown lemurs, and the Alpine Pygmy goats.
 
Some updates...
-Emma (Elds deer) and Sebastian (Bontebok) have both passed away
-Maharajah Jungle Trek is now home to four Swan Geese
-Gorillas Corey and Flint are both in the process of moving from the family troop to the bachelor troop

Was he their only bontebok?
 
I posted that inspection. It's a year and a half ago, so I don't know if they gained any others in that time.
When you posted that inspection, was Sebastian their lone bontebok at that time or it was a different one back then?
 
Some updates...
-Emma (Elds deer) and Sebastian (Bontebok) have both passed away
-Maharajah Jungle Trek is now home to four Swan Geese
-Gorillas Corey and Flint are both in the process of moving from the family troop to the bachelor troop
Sad to hear about Emma! As I mentioned back in March, according to the WDW Entertainment website she was not at the park anymore but various people on here have said not to trust it so I was optimistic about her. She lived a long life though, she was in her early 20s which is double the lifespan for Elds deer. When did Emma pass away? If it was either in March or before that the website was actually correct.

As with the gorillas, I really think Corey and Flint moving to the bachelor troop is a bad choice. All three boys in the bachelor troop are elderly by now, all in their 30s or 40s. They have been together since the park opened in 1998 and the ruckus of two young males would be a big change to their lifestyle. It would be much better for Corey and Flint to have their own bachelor troop for now and they would rotate in and out with the other gorillas. After a while in a bachelor troop, males will find a family to take care of, which then would require Corey and Flint to move to other zoos.
 
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