Night Parrot

OMG that this comes out while I was wasting my time on searching for some Spanish cat!!!! In my book this is the discouvery of the century!!!! It seems Mr Young convinced the experts present, although taking into account his previous actions I would love to see the evidence and make my own conclusions.
And a conservation plan is ready and approved, only up to know no one has ever bothered to implement it. It would need some updating and I would love to get some community work included into it. All accounts I have read seem to point to a nomadic species so protecting the species will be challenging. I hope Australia has some very ambitious phd candidates and some people crazy enough to start working on the species.
 
OMG that this comes out while I was wasting my time on searching for some Spanish cat!!!! In my book this is the discouvery of the century!!!! It seems Mr Young convinced the experts present, although taking into account his previous actions I would love to see the evidence and make my own conclusions.
I've just been listening to an interview with Sean Dooley who was at the reveal, and it does seem like the evidence was incontrovertible and everybody there was in no doubt it was genuine.

Regarding the non-release of the recorded call discussed earlier in this thread, Sean said that John Young is not going to release the recording to anybody (including conservation bodies) for at least the next few years. Which, as I said, is not an action I agree with at all.
 
I've just been listening to an interview with Sean Dooley who was at the reveal, and it does seem like the evidence was incontrovertible and everybody there was in no doubt it was genuine.

Regarding the non-release of the recorded call discussed earlier in this thread, Sean said that John Young is not going to release the recording to anybody (including conservation bodies) for at least the next few years. Which, as I said, is not an action I agree with at all.

You used the word "genuine", and some articles referred to his evidence of the blue fig parrot being debunked. So what's the deal with this guy? Does he have a reputation for faking 'evidence' of seeing rare birds?
 
You used the word "genuine", and some articles referred to his evidence of the blue fig parrot being debunked. So what's the deal with this guy? Does he have a reputation for faking 'evidence' of seeing rare birds?
google John Young and fig parrot and you'll come up with some interesting stuff. It is a bit convoluted, but basically he claimed that he had discovered a new species of fig parrot in northern Queensland. Apparently (according to John Young) the species was different in every conceivable way from double-eyed fig parrots (which is the species that occurs in Queensland) and he had all the proof but he wasn't going to release any of it. But then he produced a photo he had taken of one in the wild, which photo specialists determined (or at least very heavily suspected) was a retouched photo of a red-browed fig parrot (the red on the face having been overlaid with blue). A scientific paper describing the new species never eventuated.

Wikipedia article outlining it:
Blue-fronted Fig Parrot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Regarding the non-release of the recorded call discussed earlier in this thread, Sean said that John Young is not going to release the recording to anybody (including conservation bodies) for at least the next few years. Which, as I said, is not an action I agree with at all.

That you do not release the call to the general public ok, fine. But at least give it to some experts to make their work a bit easier. If you are serious about caring for the species you facilitate any actions. A population survey is needed asap. Withholding crucial information is selfish and stupid.
 
google John Young and fig parrot and you'll come up with some interesting stuff. It is a bit convoluted, but basically he claimed that he had discovered a new species of fig parrot in northern Queensland. Apparently (according to John Young) the species was different in every conceivable way from double-eyed fig parrots (which is the species that occurs in Queensland) and he had all the proof but he wasn't going to release any of it. But then he produced a photo he had taken of one in the wild, which photo specialists determined (or at least very heavily suspected) was a retouched photo of a red-browed fig parrot (the red on the face having been overlaid with blue). A scientific paper describing the new species never eventuated.

Wikipedia article outlining it:
Blue-fronted Fig Parrot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Fascinating story. So, if his night parrot evidence is accepted as being real, then one does wonder if he was telling the truth about the blue fronted fig parrot. Paradise parrots may be next on his list.
 
Fascinating story. So, if his night parrot evidence is accepted as being real, then one does wonder if he was telling the truth about the blue fronted fig parrot. Paradise parrots may be next on his list.

He has admitted that he made mistakes in the past. The fig parrot still stands as an hoax. And Paradise parrots are not extinct. The claim they are is a governmental conspiracy to prevent Australian citizens of enjoying their most beautiful parrot species :p
 
some interesting observations in this article:
sunshinecoastbirds: John Young and the Night Parrot
It bounces among spinifex clumps in the desert like a wound-up toy, puffs itself up to look like a green-and-gold echidna, and bangs its head on the ground when excited. The night parrot, one of the world’s rarest and most enigmatic animals, has not disappointed.

Bushman and naturalist John Young has generated enormous interest with his discovery of the night parrot at an undisclosed location in south-west Queensland. A conference hall at the Queensland Museum in Brisbane this week was packed as Young revealed to the public the first photographs and video footage ever taken of a bird that has confounded experts for more than a century.

Where to now for this remarkable creature? Amid the excitement surrounding Young’s extraordinary find - which involved him driving 325,000 km and spending 17,000 hours in the desert over several years – debate is emerging about what should be done to seize an opportunity to protect a critically endangered species.

Young is not notifying state or federal authorities of the identity of the private grazing property where he found the birds. He insists that the conservation of the night parrot is his primary concern and he intends to raise at least $2 million so the property can be managed privately. Rights to his photographs and video footage are up for sale. However, bird experts are urging Young to back down and co-operate with government agencies.

Young photographed the bird in the general region where two dead night parrots were found 16 years apart – one near Boulia in 1990, the other in the Diamantina National Park, 200 km away, in 2006. Other than those birds, the last confirmed report was a century ago when a night parrot was collected at Nichol Spring, Western Australia, in 1912.

A handful of sightings are the only other reports. Brisbane naturalist David Stewart saw a night parrot along the Canning Stock Route, Western Australia, in 1967. Scientist Shane Parker and tour operator Rex Ellis flushed four birds from camels in 1979 at Lake Perigundi, South Australia. Environmental consultants Rob Davies and Brenden Metcalf saw three birds at Minga Well, Western Australia, in 2005. Some authorities question one or more of these reports.

The spread of feral cats is a major factor in the demise of the species. It was once common around Alice Springs, for instance; in 1892, it was reported that “numerous” night parrots were killed by cats at the town’s Old Telegraph Station.

Young was able to throw some light this week on how the bird has evaded attention for so long. It calls sporadically and softly. The parrots do not emerge from spinifex clumps in which they hide during the day to forage until well after sunset. They appear to have no need of water, defying expectations that they fly to watering holes at dusk. They do not flush from daytime roosts if disturbed and generally are as cryptic as it is possible to imagine.

Six weeks ago, Young lured a male night parrot into view with a tape recording of its distinctive whistle and captured his magical images. In 2008, he first heard the bird calling on the property near the Queensland-Northern Territory border where he was to later photograph it. Although he knew then that he had cornered the Holy Grail of the birding world, it was five long years before the proof was in the bag. Said Young this week: “I understand why nobody ever found one because it is so secretive. We were over the top of it most nights and it would not call.” His recording of the call is the only one in existence. He does not intend to release the recording, although some in the birding community argue that its use across the parrot’s once vast inland Australian distribution would help locate more parrots.

Young located a parrot’s roosting site as well as a nest; he said he could hear the nestlings calling – proof of successful breeding. He sent parrot feathers he collected for DNA analysis to the Western Australian Museum. Nests are generally full of feathers but Young insists he did not disturb the nest. Young said in one interview this week that the feathers were collected from the roosting site, but in another interview he said they were “at the road side”. Young says on his Facebook page that a female bird was sitting on the nest but he does not explain how he became aware of her presence; historical records show that night parrots build nests deep within large spinifex clumps that are not easily visible or accessible.

WA Museum senior vertebrates curator Ron Johnstone tells Inquirer: “John indicated there were feathers everywhere at the site. He says he’s got a heap of feathers.” Australia’s leading authority on parrots, Joseph Forshaw, says he is puzzled at how Young was able to collect a substantial quantity of feathers from either a road verge or a roosting site.

Young is a controversial figure. He has admitted to colleagues that he collected clutches of eggs from the nests of rare birds over many years but insists that he stopped doing so long ago.
In 1980, Young reported a discovery even more exciting than a night parrot. He claimed to have rediscovered the paradise parrot, the only bird believed to have become extinct on the Australian mainland, but visits by ornithologists failed to find any birds.

In the mid-1990s, Young claimed to have photographed a Coxen’s fig-parrot, a tiny parrot on the verge of extinction, but no conclusive evidence emerged. In 2007, Young claimed another spectacular discovery when he said he had photographed a previously unknown species, the blue-browed fig-parrot. The claim was challenged by revelations in The Australian about doubts by experts concerning a photograph of Young’s parrot published in The Courier Mail.

In her acclaimed book, Glimpses of Paradise- The Quest for the Beautiful Parakeet, zoologist and parrot expert Penny Olsen said Young had on several occasions “claimed a sensational find, shrouded in secrecy, which divided the birding community and ultimately came to nothing”.

This time the evidence is incontestable, but divisions in the birding community have resurfaced. Melbourne photographer Geoff Jones suggested on wildlife online forum birding-aus that Young’s critics would “grovel and eat humble pie”; Tasmanian birder Ian May said doubts about Young had been generated by “slurs” published by The Australian. Others countered that the night parrot find and Young’s previous claimed discoveries should be regarded as unrelated.

When revealing his find exclusively to The Weekend Australian last week, Young addressed his critics publicly for the first time. He said he had lost the negative of the blue-browed fig-parrot photograph. However, the image was digital and one of a series. Young offered a different explanation about the photographs in a later interview: “I lightened them, darkened them, did my own sort of stuff and I was criticised and probably rightly so.”

Young has locked government authorities out of his night parrot discovery, declaring this week: “I’d rather go to jail than tell anyone where I found it... The site is going to stay protected. I want to look after this thing at all cost.” Young believes government agencies would mismanage the property and that its whereabouts cannot be disclosed because it would be invaded by intrusive bird-watchers, threatening the survival of what is probably a tiny remnant population. Another concern may be egg-collectors; avicultural industry sources say a clutch of wild night parrot eggs could fetch as much as $1 million on overseas black markets.

Joe Forshaw says it is essential that Young co-operate with government authorities: “You need a cat reduction program, you’ve maybe got land acquisition, all manner of management issues. John won’t have the resources. What happens if he gets run over by a bus? It all goes down the gurgler.”


This article was published in The Weekend Australian of 6-7 July, 2013
 
some stinky news coming out about the night parrot photos. Apparently many parts of the bird in the photos have been digitally cloned onto other parts. There are various possible reasons for that of course, but all of which make the photos worthless. The obvious reason, given the history of John Young, and as much as I wished and thought this was genuine...the photos are fake.

See the Birdforum thread discussing it (I have linked to the page where the discussion about cloning starts): BirdForum

A quote (post #573) to get things started:
Ok, this is definitely weird. The whole dorsal area of the parrot on the large photo seems to be basically a product of photoshop, with almost individual feathers being cloned all over the place. Further to what Dan has pointed out there are 2 more areas that are obviously cloned (green arrows) and besides that the area inside the blue circle seems to be an amalgamation of feathers, both large and small. It seems the more we search the more cloned areas will be found. So, what is going on here?

EDIT: inside the orange rectangle there's even more cloned feathers, where different layers of different cloned feathers are visible! This must surely be a joke!!?
 
That would be such a shame, but at the same time there are still the feathers itself or are there questions on their origin as well?
 
As I understand the feathers are confirmed as being night parrot feathers but that doesn't mean they came from a living bird. I don't know if anyone has even seen the feathers or if there is only John Young's word of their existence (I'd have to go back through the articles and see if anyone official has actually said "yes, we saw these feathers and determined they are night parrot feathers").

The only photos anybody has seen are of the bird in basically the same pose, always from the same side (hence some commentators saying they will believe it when they see the other side of the bird). Some possibilities for the digital cloning are right-out fake; to "tidy up" a bedraggled bird; or to hide that the bird is actually being held in the hand (i.e. cloning out the hand and smoothing the feathers, etc). Even if not fake, altering the photos makes them worthless as it calls into question his whole story (which is full of holes as it is! See the last article I posted with the bolded bits).

The video is suspiciously short (as Hix commented on at the time, earlier in this thread) and as someone on Birdforum said, it would be easier to fake a hopping bird on video than a running bird. (As people may recall, there was some interest in that the video showed it hopping rather than running as night parrots have been recorded doing in the past).

Then there's all the cloak-and-dagger stuff that John Young endulges in, which doesn't help his case!

Personally, since this news came out I have fallen squarely into the "fake" camp. What is interesting is on the Australian birding forum everybody is very strongly pro-John Young and anyone making dissenting comments is abused and shouted out. Apparently there's no room for opinion there!
 
I was informed that someone in Western Australia recorded the call as well and that this person was willing to share it with the authorities. And I agree with you that John Young is not making it easy for us to believe him. I have similar doubts as you, but I have some wish-full thinking as well. I'm surprised that the Australian birders are defending him. The birders I spoke all told me that they would only believe his story if they showed them a life night parrot.
 
He has admitted that he made mistakes in the past. The fig parrot still stands as an hoax.

I would be instantly suspicious of anyone who was proved to have indulged in any form of ornithological hoax in the past- if that is in fact what it was proven to be? It indicates untruthfulness and a desire or preparedness to mislead- for whatever purpose- and to me, makes any later claims less credible as a result.
 
I have no axe to grind, and I don't know anything about the present episode. But I find it very hard to understand somebody who claims to have rediscovered a species and won't tell all to responsible wildlife conservation professionals.

That line
What happens if he gets run over by a bus? It all goes down the gurgler
could only have come from an Aussie and it tells it exactly like it is. I'd be very pleased to be proved wrong, but it looks as if we've been had.
 
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I watched a programme on sky a while back it concerned some one looking for night parrots if i remember correctly it involved a water trough for cattle/sheep I came in halfway through so didn,t get much of the back story, but the chap was looking for nest sites in tufts of grass. he was convinced the bird was out there I don't recall his name though, i think he was elderly with glasses possibly a mustache , but I may have miss remembered this.
I can understand not releasing the call we have had press coverage lately that complained people using a bird call Ap are having a detrimental effect on breeding birds, either stopping them feeding chicks by looking for the interloper, or coming off eggs for the same reason.
 
eight months on from the news above (about the publicly-released photos of the bird being seriously altered digitally) I have revisited the subject. Apparently the photos which were altered were done so to smooth out feathers and remove a twig across the bird, because these were the photos which were to be published. Other photos do show the unaltered bird (with twig) -- although none of these have been released to viewers at large (but have been seen by numerous individual people).

The video which was initially described as simply showing a bird hopping also apparently shows much more than that. To quote from the Birdforum thread I linked to earlier (written by an Australian birder I would trust to be 100% honest):
I was expecting to be reasonably impressed but not blown away. I was also expecting it to be low-res showing an odd hopping gait as so many of us were led to believe.

What I saw were several seconds of footage filmed with a bright spotlight on the bird as it ran away from the camera. The cameraperson was behind the bird and keeping pace with it as it ran along. The hopping took place for probably less than half a second as the bird appeared to be adjusting its pace just before it climbed rather clumsily up onto a bit of spinifex, spreading its wings briefly to try and balance itself I would say before dropping into a small gap in the spinifex bush and disappearing from sight.

It was pretty astounding to watch ( I watched it three or four times as I recall).

So, for myself, I started out believing (or at least wanting to believe) but then went straight to "almost certainly fake" when the news came out about the photoshopping. Now I am back to being a believer. I still am firmly opposed to all the cloak-and-dagger secrecy and his unwillingness to co-operate with anyone though, with him obviously believing that only he knows anything about safe-guarding the species.
 
I went through a similar process Chlidonias and I am still hoping more information will be released to the wider public. To be fair if it takes a bush expert like Mr Young so long to find the bird then even if we have the call and location of the bird it will be very challenging for most of us (even for those that are bird experts and used to travel in rough terrain) to actually find the species.

Also I hope he will start cooperating with the right people in safe-guarding the species. Does anyone know what happened to the alleged recording of the night parrot in Western Australia, which was reported some months after the event of Mr Young?
 
Two updates:

John Young will be giving a talk very soon in Melbourne and will show new photos and video (the only existing video of a live Night Parrot). To buy tickets and read more, see here: John Young: Rediscovering the Night Parrot ? Chris Watson

Secondly, a feral cat killed a Night Parrot recently from the same population that John Young discovered: Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian

"Night parrot falls prey to feral cat
MARIE HOGG
THE AUSTRALIAN
FEBRUARY 18, 2015 12:00AM
AN Australian night parrot, one of the world’s rarest birds, has been killed in southwest Queensland by a feral cat, prompting calls for government intervention to better manage the tiny population.

There have only been a handful of sightings of the colourful bird over the past century but birdwatcher and naturalist Greg Roberts said last night the death was “a serious development”.

“The Queensland government has a legal obligation to protect endangered wildlife, but they’ve done nothing to try and involve itself in doing something to get a proper management regime in place,” he said.

Mr Roberts said the privately owned land where the bird was killed should be declared a *national park.

Bushman and naturalist John Young discovered the small population of night parrots in 2013, photographing a bird for the first time in a feat revealed by The Australian. Mr Roberts confirmed the dead bird was one of this colony.


“We have confirmed beyond doubt that a night parrot was killed by a feral cat, one of the very small populations discovered by John Young recently,” he said.

“As a result of that, sharpshooters have been hired, and have moved into the property.”

Since his original discovery, Mr Young and scientist Stephen Murphy have continued research in the region, finding the parrot at several other locations.

The enigmatic night parrot bounces along the ground, puffs itself up to display its green and gold plumage and bangs its head on the ground when excited.
 
theres also a possible sighting from a week or two ago from an area in Northern Territorycalled Kiama creek.
 
theres also a possible sighting from a week or two ago from an area in Northern Territorycalled Kiama creek.

Oh yes, I forgot about that one. I had a look on Google Maps and that is the definition of 'the middle of nowhere'.
 
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