Noah's Ark Zoo Farm Noah opens "Big Cat Sanctuary"

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Noah's has obtained a litter of 3 eight month old african lion cubs from another UK zoo named in article below. The Tiger Territory has been renamed in honour of this. It will now be known as Big Cat Sanctuary. Khan and the remaining female tiger are being returned to Martin Lacey in exchange for a non breeding female as company for Tanvir (he's staying at Noah's Ark)

Lion cubs to join controversial zoo in Wraxall | Bristol News
 
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Well from that article I cannot see them re-joining BIAZA any time soon,pity Linton are sending animals to them ,I know of a couple of places that have not sent animals to the place because they have been removed from BIAZA.
 
Weird, I've never heard about the "acts of animal cruelty" that the CAPS person supposedly witnessed?
 
I seem to recall some controversy about them feeding rabbits from the pet's corner to the carnivores? Certainly that wasn't anything I could see a problem with if that's what they're referring to.

However, I likewise do not expect them to rejoin BIAZA any time soon. Partly because I don't think they'll necessarily want to, partly because their relationship with the Great British Circus was part of the controversy that led to them being ejected in the first place (even if it wasn't the final straw).
 
Up until recently Belfast held elephants and tigers that belonged to circuses, I am sure there are others. as long as the animals are not going back to the circus I dont think there would be a problem. Thats not to say they will rejoin.
 
Vulpes said:
Up until recently Belfast held elephants and tigers that belonged to circuses, I am sure there are others. as long as the animals are not going back to the circus I dont think there would be a problem. Thats not to say they will rejoin.
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Yes but they were open about where the animals came from.But thats not the only reason I say they won`t be back in BIAZA in a hurry,but I`m not commenting on the others on here.
 
Vulpes said:
Up until recently Belfast held elephants and tigers that belonged to circuses, I am sure there are others. as long as the animals are not going back to the circus I dont think there would be a problem. Thats not to say they will rejoin.
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The elephants refered to: Johti & Vishesh, were purchased from the Chipperfield Organisation (who incidentally, advertised their services openly in such laudable publications as IZN) around 10 years ago. I'm sure there were few indeed the number of British Zoos that had had elephants (and other animals?) from the Chipperfield Organisation around or before this period. It should be remembered too, that the calf: Vishesh, was concieved and born at Belfast before being purchased from the Chipperfields (the calf's father, Luka, who was also owned by Chipperfields and kept for a period at Belfast, was purchased by John Aspinall for Port Lympne). Re the tigers; again this is going back to 1998 when they arrived - initially as a short-term agreement until their new housing was built, and Belfast agreed to look after them temporarily; ths was to last for 11 years when the white tiger 'Jack' was euthanised.
 
The point I was making was that other zoos have not been kicked out for housing circus stock, Belfast was just an example. I think the main trouble would be animals going back to the circus rather than still holding the camels and tigers from LinTrek.
 
Vulpes said:
The point I was making was that other zoos have not been kicked out for housing circus stock, Belfast was just an example. I think the main trouble would be animals going back to the circus rather than still holding the camels and tigers from LinTrek.
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The thing is the Circus link is not the only reason why they have had there BIAZA membership suspended.
 
what is the actual point of them getting three male lions, dont they want to breed lions? Or is this just because linton dosent have anywhere else to give them to and noahs ark always want more animals.
 
Dartboy said:
what is the actual point of them getting three male lions, dont they want to breed lions? Or is this just because linton dosent have anywhere else to give them to and noahs ark always want more animals.
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These cubs are surplus. The article has the sexes wrong as well. They are 2:1 according to Linton's website.
 
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i thought all the lion cubs born at Linton where supposed to go to Africa for their reintroduction programme??

As for Noah's Ark holding lions, then they should only hold males, there are plenty of them floating around in various zoo's and safari's.
 
Paulkarli08 said:
i thought all the lion cubs born at Linton where supposed to go to Africa for their reintroduction programme??

As for Noah's Ark holding lions, then they should only hold males, there are plenty of them floating around in various zoo's and safari's.
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Only one cub born at Linton has gone back to Africa. She was called Zara and was handreared at Linton Zoo before going to Paradise Wildlife Park and eventually being sent to Uganda with a lioness from Paradise.

Linton sent 3:0 to Coombe Martin in Devon not long ago as well.
 
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Bele said:
I would hope that Linton do not breed any more lions .
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Agreed!! 8 months old is nowhere near a natural dispersal age for lions, I can only assume that these cubs were bred for the peak summer season cute factor and are being off loaded to allow lintons lioness to concieve and give birth ready for the '10 summer season.

If this is the case rather then jumping up and down condemning noahs ark for taking in these animals we should be condemning Linton for continuing this practise.
 
The cub sent to Uganda was named Zara.
I myself think 8 months is a tad too early to be moved, Basically all the cubs born at Linton have either been born in October or May so either way it hits the summer. These cubs would not of been born if the Cubs born October 2008 had survived but unfortunately they all died at Birth.
Im pretty sure that only 1 more litter will take place in which they intend to keep them at the Zoo as a family group.
Basically Noahs Ark have a reasonable sized big cat complex which is not really being used so it frees up more space.
I have been told that the cubs will be monitered whilst they are at Noahs Ark so everything goes A ok.
It is not Breeding animals for the Summer just for the visitors as to be honest during the Summer they were too young to go out exploring and didnt really make very many visits outside, it is just how the breeding pattern lies.
Lion Cubs born at Linton can be chosen for the Uganda project but as Noahs Ark had the space they are being sent there instead.
I have heard that the female may be moved on shortly so the Zoo will just have 2 lions both of which will be males. I would not be suprised if they do not breed them.
 
Riziki said:
The cub sent to Uganda was named Zara.
I myself think 8 months is a tad too early to be moved, Basically all the cubs born at Linton have either been born in October or May so either way it hits the summer. These cubs would not of been born if the Cubs born October 2008 had survived but unfortunately they all died at Birth.
Im pretty sure that only 1 more litter will take place in which they intend to keep them at the Zoo as a family group.
Basically Noahs Ark have a reasonable sized big cat complex which is not really being used so it frees up more space.
I have been told that the cubs will be monitered whilst they are at Noahs Ark so everything goes A ok.
It is not Breeding animals for the Summer just for the visitors as to be honest during the Summer they were too young to go out exploring and didnt really make very many visits outside, it is just how the breeding pattern lies.
Lion Cubs born at Linton can be chosen for the Uganda project but as Noahs Ark had the space they are being sent there instead.
I have heard that the female may be moved on shortly so the Zoo will just have 2 lions both of which will be males. I would not be suprised if they do not breed them.
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Thank you for this information Riziki, I will take that on board. That said I stand by the fact that 8 months is way to young for these cats to be moved from their parents, they should be together for at least another 12 months if not longer.

It might just be convienient that this enclosure is available due to unforseen circumstances, but there are other options available once a cub reaches its natural dispersal age. So I'm still dubious over the collections desire to move these cubs on so early, especially if they plan to keep the next litter as a family group, why not just keep this litter as a family group?!
 
Paulkarli08 said:
i thought all the lion cubs born at Linton where supposed to go to Africa for their reintroduction programme??
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For what reason does Africa need captive-born lions from the UK? Yes, lions are a threatened species across their range, but it is more to do with available space then actual numbers of animals. As we all know lions breed like rabbits when given the opportunity.

What is the lineage of Linton's lions? Again taxonomically there may well be little difference between Southern African lions and those from East Africa, but I dare say that Linton's are of mixed 'African'/typical captive lion blood.

Not sure I understand the logic of this. Nor Linton sending lion cubs to Noah's...
 
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