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Rosamond Gifford Zoo holds naming competition for baby twin elephants born last month

The Rosamond Gifford Zoo holds a naming competition for the baby twin elephants born last month

Options for Baby 1 are:
Yaad - "Memory"
Anurak - "Angel," "Conserve"
Ranvir - "The Brace," "Winner"
Sohan - "Good Looking"

Options for Baby 2 are:
Tukada -'"Chip"
Viraj – "Resplendent," "Splendor"
Nak su - "Fighter"
Kiaan - "King"

I personally like 'Yaad' for baby one, more so for the meaning; memory which is obviously a tribute to the calves late older siblings (Batu and Ajay).

For the second one, I do like 'Nak Su' which represents the calves miraculous survival as twins (a first in zoological history).
 
Rosamond Gifford Zoo holds naming competition for baby twin elephants born last month

The Rosamond Gifford Zoo holds a naming competition for the baby twin elephants born last month

Options for Baby 1 are:
Yaad - "Memory"
Anurak - "Angel," "Conserve"
Ranvir - "The Brace," "Winner"
Sohan - "Good Looking"

Options for Baby 2 are:
Tukada -'"Chip"
Viraj – "Resplendent," "Splendor"
Nak su - "Fighter"
Kiaan - "King"
I'm not a fan of these name choices, personally. Given that this is a historic occasion, with how rare elephant twins are, I would've liked to see their names have some sort of "connection" to each other, or names with meanings that are often associated with each other. I'm not sure if these specific options would be good or not, but something along the lines of the Hindu (I think that's what the language of those names is) words for "fire" and "ice", or the words for "one" and "two". Highlight the fact they are twins in the naming of them, rather than have two sets of names in a vacuum from one another.
 
I'm not a fan of these name choices, personally. Given that this is a historic occasion, with how rare elephant twins are, I would've liked to see their names have some sort of "connection" to each other, or names with meanings that are often associated with each other. I'm not sure if these specific options would be good or not, but something along the lines of the Hindu (I think that's what the language of those names is) words for "fire" and "ice", or the words for "one" and "two". Highlight the fact they are twins in the naming of them, rather than have two sets of names in a vacuum from one another.
I’m just glad the names are reflecting the species’ origin and range countries, Rosamond Gifford is one of few zoos in the country that gives their elephant calves names that do so. Also, the language you’re thinking of is Hindi (a Hindu is a follower of the religion Hinduism) and the names they’ve chosen are far better names than the words for one and two in Hindi (“ek” and “do”) :p
 
I’m just glad the names are reflecting the species’ origin and range countries, Rosamond Gifford is one of few zoos in the country that gives their elephant calves names that do so. Also, the language you’re thinking of is Hindi (a Hindu is a follower of the religion Hinduism) and the names they’ve chosen are far better names than the words for one and two in Hindi (“ek” and “do”) :p
Heck, even the fire & ice names don't sound all that appealing. "Aag" for fire & "barph" for ice (don't think about the pronunciation of the last one too much).
I think the names the keepers chose are all good.
 
I’m just glad the names are reflecting the species’ origin and range countries, Rosamond Gifford is one of few zoos in the country that gives their elephant calves names that do so. Also, the language you’re thinking of is Hindi (a Hindu is a follower of the religion Hinduism) and the names they’ve chosen are far better names than the words for one and two in Hindi (“ek” and “do”) :p
I certainly can agree with using names that reflect country of origin, I just didn't know the suggestions to make as I don't know any Hindi. Sure, naming the elephants "ek" and "do" is a bad idea, but there should be some way to find two names that are connected to one another for the elephant twins, even within the context of choosing Hindi names. I'd just like to see this, as it reflects the historic nature of twin elephant births- these births didn't happen in a vacuum from each other, so their names should be determined together, not in two different lists of seemingly unrelated names.
 

Some info on the twins:

The first calf (Yaad) was welcomed at 2.00 am on 24/10/2022 and weighed in at 220 pounds (100 kgs).

The second calf (Tukada) was born ten hours later at 11.50 am weighing in at 237 pounds (108 kgs).

The second calf was noted as being much weaker at birth, so I’m very glad to see the calf seems to be doing much better now and has caught up to his older brother health wise.
 
It looks like LA is wanting to move Billy.


Editorial: Free Billy! L.A. Zoo's longtime elephant has earned retirement


it would make better sense to me to move the three older cows to a sanctuary and move in breedable females. Billy is much to valuable to waste at a sanctuary at his prime age and being unrepresented genetically.

The article hasn’t ruled out sending him to another zoo (that would of course have the space and resources to accomodate him).

Hopefully he isn’t sent to a sanctuary. As the article mentions, some aren’t even open to the public.
 
The only sanctuary I'd feel it's acceptable for Billy to move to is White Oak Conservation. That way Billy would be contributing to the breeding population still, while going to a non-public facility with enough space to appease ARAs.
Alternatively, I'd be fine with Billy going to any AZA zoo.
This is Los Angeles we are talking about, it makes sense that if somewhere in the US has public pressure to remove elephants even from a good exhibit, that it'd be Los Angeles, so in a way this doesn't surprise me- even though it upsets me. Honestly, I hope LA Zoo preemptively arranges a new home for Billy now before the City Council decides for them. That way it's on the zoo's terms and they can determine a suitable home for the elephants.
 
Speaking of White Oak, does anyone know if they are trying to breed their elephants and/or if they plan to? It'd be very beneficial to the population if White Oak can start producing some calves, especially with how many elephants they have that are presumably (I think?) unrelated from the rest of the population, since they came from outside the AZA.
 
White Oak does plan to breed their elephants but last I heard, they’re planning on keeping their program on the down low. Nonetheless, they have the potential to become the breeding powerhouse the population desperately needs so let’s hope it happens!

And re. Billy, im really hoping he gets sent where the AZA/SSP wants him rather than a sanctuary (White Oak would be a really good new home for him, giving him the opportunity to breed with numerous younger cows) but we’ll see what ends up happening.
 
For the reasons mentioned earlier I would rather not for Billy to go to White Oak. They are too secretive. I understand though.

I would think Houston is ideal as Thai is getting older and all of the younger bulls are related because they are sired by Thai. Billy would have two maternal lines until or unless they split it.
 
It looks like LA is wanting to move Billy.


Editorial: Free Billy! L.A. Zoo's longtime elephant has earned retirement


it would make better sense to me to move the three older cows to a sanctuary and move in breedable females. Billy is much to valuable to waste at a sanctuary at his prime age and being unrepresented genetically.
So after all this time and energy, with the elephants literally in the center of the zoo... oof. Apparently Verret is "open" to moving Billy, but honestly, this fight is really moot. These armchair activists don't care about Billy's well-being in the slightest. I mentioned this before in the case of Happy/Bette and Kallie as well, but when Friends of the Philly Zoo Elephants were pushing for Bette and Kallie to be sent to a sanctuary, they at least donated toys to the Philadelphia Zoo. What have these armchair activists done for Billy?
 
yes hence my standing on moving the older cows instead of Billy and move in the breeding cow(s).

A/R targeting Billy instead of the cows is odd. Like Happy at Bronyx and ignoring Patty and Maxine (in the past, now only one other elephant now).
Tina, Jewel, Shaunzi and Patty are chopped liver to these ARAs, essentially. What else can I say that hasn't been said already? Selective outrage isn't justifiable in this instance - either you care about all the elephants in these zoos or you don't care about any of them because you want to act and feel self-righteous. They don't care. None of these egomaniacs care.
 
Tina, Jewel, Shaunzi and Patty are chopped liver to these ARAs, essentially. What else can I say that hasn't been said already? Selective outrage isn't justifiable in this instance - either you care about all the elephants in these zoos or you don't care about any of them because you want to act and feel self-righteous. They don't care. None of these egomaniacs care.


Yes. I agree. I saw Tina and Jewel when they were performing just a couple years before they went to San Diego prior to LA. They are definitely a bonded pair or at least it seems to me from their behavior in during that time period of observation. I am sure they built a friendly relationship with Billy as he has interacted with them. What would A/R care about that?
 
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Tina, Jewel, Shaunzi and Patty are chopped liver to these ARAs, essentially. What else can I say that hasn't been said already? Selective outrage isn't justifiable in this instance - either you care about all the elephants in these zoos or you don't care about any of them because you want to act and feel self-righteous. They don't care. None of these egomaniacs care.
I would not say that none of them care. Sure, some of the leaders may feel this way, but I do think a lot of them truly care about animals, but are misinformed or ignorant, basing their opinion on emotional perceptions or anthropomorphizing animals, and being manipulated/persuaded by the PETAs of the world. As zoo people, it is important in my opinion to not blast these people as not caring/self-righteous/egomaniacs/etc., as it's impossible to have legitimate discourse with someone if you refuse to listen and blow them off. This applies to Animal Rights Activists as well, just in reverse. Keep in mind that in essence, while the two groups may differ in opinions or approaches, both reputable zoos and ARAs both have some of the same ideals, wanting to make the lives of animals better. If these two groups could actually debate these issues, utilize scientific knowledge to truly understand what's best for these animals, and allow for the free-flow of ideas, there's a good chance that we'd make more progress, both in changing the minds of some followers of these groups and in improving the lives of animals. Think about how much money has been spent in court fees, etc. over Happy the Elephant, from both sides. How much good could be done if, instead of having costly battles over the elephants, WCS and ALDF were willing to discuss how to best help improve the welfare of their elephants. This would require ALDF to accept some facts so far they've been unwilling to (especially about Happy's personal history, unwillingness to get along with other elephants), but this would also require the zoo to acknowledge that ALDF may have legitimate concerns as well, that can best be addressed by working together for a mutually agreeable solution. Perhaps this could've meant, like @StoppableSan mentioned an enrichment drive, or it could mean money for exhibit improvements, or looking into the feasibility of finding a companion for Patty after Maxine's death. If we treat ARAs as the enemy, we are not going to win, as it'd be a constant stream of court cases and deflecting the worst of whatever they try to throw next hoping it sticks. The way to win is to actually get our point across to the people, and allow for legitimate discourse, part of which requires zoos to acknowledge what we can be doing better, and working to find ways to create mutually agreeable solutions. Love it or hate it, the Big Cat Public Safety Act was an example of this, a bill that was able to be passed attempting to improve the lives of animals when both groups worked together. I'm certain there are other places that, working together, the AZA and ARAs could find common ground. Perhaps for starters increasing the welfare standards under the AWA. Under the AWA it's technically considered legal/decent enough husbandry for me to keep six gorillas in my college dorm room. Obviously, my room is not big enough for one gorilla, let alone six. If AZA and ARA groups wanted to work together, rather than fighting between each other, we could see some genuine improvement on the legal standards for animal welfare.
 
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