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I'm sure they're all familiar but there quite a few that aren't on the museum site, although there are some wonderful ones on that site that as far as I can tell don't appear on the web anywhere.


You're picture in the middle on the bottom row on the first page of the animal curled up looking at the camera, isn't a thylacine. Check some topics on the forum and you'll find out the story behind the picture :).
 
You're picture in the middle on the bottom row on the first page of the animal curled up looking at the camera, isn't a thylacine. Check some topics on the forum and you'll find out the story behind the picture :).
oh snap! It's funny seeing that directly next to photos of actual thylacines isn't it?
 
It is :). Although if you know what you're looking at the differences are quite obvious. Of course I had the advantage of being on Zoochat :p.
 
I'm left wondering has there ever been an appeal of any sort, especially in Tasmania and Australia for people to submit any home photos they may have?

Thanks for posting your photographic list. I think there are at least half a dozen of Thylacines at London on there. There is one new photo I haven't seen before- a Thylacine in one of the Hobart Zoos(with the familiar large chickenwire netting background) which seems to be holding something in its mouth.

The topleft photo on the 2nd page is the 1930 Wilf Batty Thylacine after he shot it, but before it actually died. It is apparently dead in the other one.

Regarding more recent public requests for new photos within Australia/Tasmania, I think there may have been.
 
It arrived at the zoo on 26th January 1926 and died in the North Mammal House on 9th August 1931.

Unfortunately there is no reliable trace of this animal(or pair's) origin within Tasmania- a number of those that reached Zoos are well-documented regarding their place/date of capture and subsequent history. But not this one.

Do you know what (or some of them) other species were exhibited in the North Mammal House(s) at ZSL during the last Thylacine's tenure?
 
You're picture in the middle on the bottom row on the first page of the animal curled up looking at the camera, isn't a thylacine. picture :).

No! damn and it was the only colour one I had.


Seriously though it's pretty well known photo these days, as is its background. In the past I've linked to it and asked people to idetify it, after attaching the clues that it's the top predator on a large island in the Southern Hemisphere, is critically endangered and is often cited as an example of convergent evolution. I sometimes put in an extra clue about how you can't see how ferocious it is because it's facing the wrong way.
 
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Thanks for posting your photographic list. I think there are at least half a dozen of Thylacines at London on there. There is one new photo I haven't seen before- a Thylacine in one of the Hobart Zoos(with the familiar large chickenwire netting background) which seems to be holding something in its mouth.

Which number is that? Do you have any I don't by the way.

Incidentally as I'm sure you know, the photo of the dead animal curled up with its head on its hind legs isn't to be confused with this more commonly seen photo;

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No! damn and it was the only colour one I had.


Seriously though it's pretty well known photo these days, as is its background. In the past I've linked to it and asked people to idetify it, after attaching the clues that it's the top predator on a large island in the Southern Hemisphere, is critically endangered and is often cited as an example of convergent evolution. I sometimes put in an extra clue about how you can't see how ferocious it is because it's facing the wrong way.

I didn't realise it was known outside zoochat :), but it is a good one to test if people pay attention although I would use actually the original which would trick many people anyway.
 
At the risk of sounding like a prat I did actually spot what it was straight away, but it is a really nice and well done photo.

It's a funny thing but elsewhere on the web there almost seems to be an entire artistic sub genre of photo shopping fossas to look like thylacines.
 
I don't normally approve of hoaxes, but it was cleverly done and revealed for what it was pretty quickly.
 
Which number is that? Do you have any I don't by the way.

Incidentally as I'm sure you know, the photo of the dead animal curled up with its head on its hind legs isn't to be confused with this more commonly seen photo;

1. Page 1. Righthand column. Third photo down.

2. There are several others- one in Robert Paddle's book shows a juvenile at London Zoo with 'raised' tail. There are also the two Mary Roberts Hobart family group photos and the several other photos of 'Burrell's' staged Thylacine. Thylacine Museum has photos of individuals in Berlin and Sydney as well as the famous very good Washington photo.

3. The two photos of the posed dead Thylacine seem interchangeable- the fiercer-looking open mouthed one seems more popular.

4. I counted eleven photos on your list that are all (Ithink) of individuals at London Zoo.
 
Yes there's a few on the Museum website that I've never seen anywhere else.

I'm not sure whether this should have a separate thread or not but I came across this on another website this morning;

The Last Tiger in the Zoo - ABC Tasmania - Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC)

Well worth a listen, not everything he says is correct according to the literature.

One thing that got my attention though was his talk of the animal sent to Westbury Zoo during the time that Benjamin* was in captivity. I've never really followed which zoos they were sent to, but this animal doesn't seem to be covered on the Museum site. Seems unlikely but not impossible.

*Used as an abbreviation.
 
Well worth a listen, not everything he says is correct according to the literature.

One thing that got my attention though was his talk of the animal sent to Westbury Zoo during the time that Benjamin* was in captivity. I've never really followed which zoos they were sent to, but this animal doesn't seem to be covered on the Museum site. Seems unlikely but not impossible.

Definately worth listening too. As you say, factually there are some errors-the Thylacines at Washington didn't breed there, the mother had pouch young on arrival. The only Zoo that may have bred them- from mating onwards, was one instance at Melbourne Zoo.

He seems to have good recollections of Hobart Zoo so sounds perfectly genuine- unlike 'Frank Darby' (from whom 'Benjamin' got its name). I have seen no other references to a Thylacine at Westbury Zoo though either.

There are recent threads specifically for the Thylacine in both the General and Wildlife Conservation Forums if you want to discuss the subject further rather than on this thread.
 
Couldn't find the other threads I'm afraid so...

It's a great interview but it raises a few questions, such as the way he keeps referring to the thylacine, as well as saying it was originally paired up with a female. Could this be the same female bought in 1930? Or could it be the result of the last animal being mistaken for one of the earlier pair made up by the above mentioned female and her male companion which died shortly after capture. After all if he visited the zoo between 1930 and 36, a period in which he should have seen at least one thylacine die and another be introduced, it's strange that as I say he just refers to the thylacine. I think this wants clearing up whilst we've potentially got a first hand witness.
 
Do you know what (or some of them) other species were exhibited in the North Mammal House(s) at ZSL during the last Thylacine's tenure?

I don’t have a definitive list detailing every species that was kept in the North Mammal House during the five-and-a-half years the last ZSL thylacine was in residence.

However, checking contemporary guides, animals also kept in the North Mammal House during this period include:- tree kangaroos, lemurs, baboons, cheetahs, dhole....
 
After all if he visited the zoo between 1930 and 36, a period in which he should have seen at least one thylacine die and another be introduced, it's strange that as I say he just refers to the thylacine. I think this wants clearing up whilst we've potentially got a first hand witness.

I suspect that;

1. His memories are a little clouded, given his advanced age, and so some tendency for muddling.

2. For the purposes of the interview, he was referring to the 'last one' though his memories may have been drawn from more than one during his time there. It seems pretty certain now that the last one was the male captured in 1933 and when brought to the Zoo, was the the only one there, until his death in 1936.

3. He also referred at the end to the far-carrying 'yodelling call' which is also described in Paddle's book as an 'undulating cry' and apparently a contact call used by solitary animals to locate others.

4. I haven't forgotton your Bounty Scheme map from Guiler's book- just haven't got around to it yet.;)
 
I haven't forgotton your Bounty Scheme map from Guiler's book- just haven't got around to it yet.

Thanks Pertinax whenever is convenient is great.

Incidentally do you have a date of death for the female purchased around 1930?
 
oldrover;692486 Incidentally do you have a date of death for the female purchased around 1930?[/QUOTE said:
No. It presumably died during the period between June 1932 and whenever the 'last' one (snared by Churchill) arrived at the Zoo in 1933. Both events come within the period 1932-4 where the Reserves Comittee records which recorded such events haven't been preserved- hence the arrival of the last animal isn't exact either.
 
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