Norwegian hunters shoot endangered birds in NZ

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Norwegians may face court over kereru slaughter - Yahoo!Xtra News
kereru is the endemic NZ pigeon. Hopefully these stupid ****** get a nice long jail term and hefty fine but I can't see it happening in reality :(
Five Norwegian men who who shot New Zealand wildlife were today ducking for cover as a row continuedover their YouTube video of protected kereru being slaughtered.

The men last night stripped the clips from the internet as the controversy spread to their homeland.

But other copies of the clip are still attracting a torrent of condemnation, and now authorities in the men's home country are talking about the potential for them to be prosecuted for killing endangered wildlife while overseas.

The Norwegians spent the New Zealand summer travelling round trout streams and hunting, then returned home to post a video compilation of their trip's highlights, apparently with hopes to return and make a longer video on fly fishing in the South Island.

But after three days their clip of a rifleman shooting at a kereru, the bird falling from a tree, and film of one of the tourists holding two dead, bloody birds had attracted over 400 scathing comments, with significant criticism from other Norwegians shamed by their behaviour.

Department of Conservation spokesman Reuben Williams said the kereru was an absolutely protected species under the Wildlife Act.

The maximum penalty for killing such protected wildlife is a $100,000 fine and up to a year in jail.

Conservation Minister Kate Wilkinson said she was "absolutely outraged" by the clip, which also showed the tourists shooting a paradise shelduck. Paradise ducks can only legally be hunted with licence and a shotgun during the shooting season starting in May. Illegal hunting can bring a fine of up to $5000.

The YouTube video also had footage of a Fox Glacier helicopter pilot carrying the men on a West Coast hunting trip, where they shot tahr.

Wildlife enforcement officials are understood to have sought from the helicopter company and the pilot information to identify the men.

On the east coast of the South Island they shot wallabies and a hare.

Hans Tore Hoviskeland, a senior public prosecutor at the Norwegian National Authority for Investigation and Prosecution of Economic and Environmental Crime (Okokrim) told the nation's biggest newspaper, Aftenposten, that if the men had shot protected animals in New Zealand, "it is very regrettable".

"The way I see it, they can also be prosecuted in criminal proceedings in Norway," he said. "We will do further research to see what has happened in the case".

Mr Hoviskeland said Norwegians convicted of hunting protected endangered wildlife may be liable under the Norwegian penal code to up to six years in jail.
 
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Well lets hope they see a judge in one of the two countries. Would be nice if NZ could extradite them, but that's most probably not gonna happen.
 
apparently its all over the news in Norway. A lot of Norwegians are outraged and the legitimate hunters there are furious as it potentially gives all Norwegian hunters going abroad a bad name. If the Norwegian government doesn't produce some serious repercussions for these guys then they're going to look pretty darn foolish.

Its not going to be hard to find out who they are, as in the video there's a shot of the helicopter (with logo on the door) which took them up into the mountains to hunt tahr. All that needs to be done is to check the company records for five Norwegian hunters who chartered it. Simple.

What's ironic is that they face harsher penalties in Norway than they would in NZ!
 
I noticed that!

But that's just the maximum penalty; the judicial system in Norway may be harsher, or more lenient than NZ. I don't know.

I'm surprised they didn't shoot the kea for fun.

:(

Hix
 
I just had a look at a NZ hunting site forum who are usually prety quick on any suspected illegal U-Tube videos. Looks like they found it almost imediatly, made copies of the video, in case it was removed, and notified The Department of Conservation. Here is one reply from last week.

The next level of DOC rang me back very quickly (on my mobile) to tell me they had veiwed and copied the footage themselves. They said it was compelling evidence and has been now passed on up the ranks with recomendations to go for a prosecution if they can be tracked down.
They informed me of a recent prosecution in Haast with a whole lot less evidence. They will keep me informed.

The discussion of this video goes for 26 pages.
 
these Norwegian hunters have all now been identified, and NZ police are working with Norwegian authorities to apprehend them
 
I could only watch a portion of the video, partly because I don't like the animal slaughter, partly because those blokes are clearly jackasses who shouldn't be carrying air riffles, much less hunting rifles. Smart to film the crime; wish more crooks would, makes the police work easier.

But are foreign hunters in New Zealand not required to have a local guide?

Here in Iceland, while foreign hunters could hunt goose and ptarmigan without a local guide, both they and Icelanders are required by law to have a licensed guide for reindeer hunting. The licensed guide is in full control of the hunting trip and can stop it and return the group at any time if his clients (which pay him out of their own pocket, not cheap) do anything improper, such as use alcohol during the hunt or shot animals that may not be shot (say if the client has paid the cheaper price for a cow but then shoots a buck) or don't follow his instructions.
 
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Norwegian kereru shooters identified | Stuff.co.nz
Wildlife enforcement officials have identified all the Norwegians suspected of having been involved in slaughtering protected native kereru in New Zealand.

"Our inquiries are well advanced," Department of Conservation (DOC) senior communications adviser Reuben Williams said today.

"We have the full names and return travel details of all five persons related to the video clips," he told NZPA.

DOC is pursuing the five through an international treaty, but has not said what action it might attempt to take against them.

The five, who are understood to all have lived or worked at some point in the Arctic Norwegian town of Tromso, posted a clip on YouTube last week of them shooting a wide range of New Zealand wildlife over five weeks during summer.

But after three days, their clip of a rifleman shooting at a kereru, the bird falling from a tree, and film of one of the tourists holding two dead, bloody birds had attracted over 400 scathing comments.

The kereru is an absolutely protected species under the Wildlife Act and Mr Williams said today the department was "outraged at the content of the video".

The maximum penalty for killing such protected wildlife is a $100,000 fine and up to a year in jail.

The video also showed the tourists shooting a paradise shelduck with a rifle. Paradise ducks can only legally be hunted with licence and a shotgun during the shooting season starting in May. Illegal hunting can bring a fine of up to $5000.

However, the Norwegian penal code is harsher. It provides for up to six years jail for people convicted of having wilfully or through gross negligence reduced a natural population of protected wildlife, in Norway or overseas.

DOC will be initially pursuing the Norwegians through an international treaty Cites (the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora) to which both countries are signatories.

"We will be in contact with the Norwegian authorities," said Mr Williams.

"No formal decisions have been made at this time as to what form the impending legal action will take".

Hans Tore Hoviskeland, a senior public prosecutor at the Norwegian National Authority for Investigation and Prosecution of Economic and Environmental Crime (Okokrim) told the nation's biggest newspaper, Aftenposten, that if the men had shot protected animals in New Zealand, "it is very regrettable".

"The way I see it, they can also be prosecuted in criminal proceedings in Norway," he said. "We will do further research to see what has happened in the case".

But another prosecutor at Okokrim, Aud Slettemoen, said the agency had not yet received any request from the authorities in New Zealand, or any advice that the kereru were an endangered or protected species.

An angling website, Fluefiske.net, reported the group of fly fishermen visited both the North and South Islands and said one them told it: "I have been completely bitten by this country".

It did not name the man, who said he and four "crazy" friends spent five weeks hunting and fishing.

They were planning to return for another, longer trip.

"The goal is to create a motivational film about fly fishing in the South Island of New Zealand," the man said.

Another member of the group told the Dagbladet newspaper that the five arrived in New Zealand before Christmas, but claimed they had stayed within the law.

In New Zealand, the investigation has been managed by DOC's West Coast conservancy in conjunction with the department's national compliance team and the Auckland-based wildlife enforcement group, which includes Customs officials expert in the Cites rules.
 
Baldur said:
I could only watch a portion of the video, partly because I don't like the animal slaughter, partly because those blokes are clearly jackasses who shouldn't be carrying air rifles, much less hunting rifles. Smart to film the crime; wish more crooks would, makes the police work easier.
absolutely these guys are jackasses. I don't have any problem with hunting per se, especially in NZ where hunting does help control invasive species to a degree. [I'll qualify that by saying I don't hunt at all, and I certainly don't condone hunting threatened species, but hunting in itself is not evil]. Almost all the species these guys were shooting were introduced pest/game species (wallabies, hares, rabbits, tahr, chamois, etc). However they were clearly not "proper" hunters, just a bunch of halfwits who were having fun blasting animals into oblivion (especially noticeable in the wallaby shoot clips). With regards to filming the crime, the supposition here is that they only included in the film those species they thought were acceptable kills -- that is, they may well have shot all sorts of protected species but didn't put them in the video. Of course they will protest innocence by way of 'not knowing the pigeons are protected species' but any hunter going to pursue his hobby overseas knows damn well that he or she needs to review the laws of the country as to which animals they can and can't shoot.

Baldur said:
but are foreign hunters in New Zealand not required to have a local guide?

Here in Iceland, while foreign hunters could hunt goose and ptarmigan without a local guide, both they and Icelanders are required by law to have a licensed guide for reindeer hunting. The licensed guide is in full control of the hunting trip and can stop it and return the group at any time if his clients (which pay him out of their own pocket, not cheap) do anything improper, such as use alcohol during the hunt or shot animals that may not be shot (say if the client has paid the cheaper price for a cow but then shoots a buck) or don't follow his instructions.
Foreign hunters shooting in NZ only require a hunting licence and a firearms licence. If hunting on private land they do not require a hunting licence at all. If under close supervision by a NZ Firearms Licence holder and they are hunting on private land then they don't even need a firearms licence. They can hire guides if they want, and can charter helicopters for getting up in the mountains, but they do not require legally guides.
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absolutely these guys are jackasses. I don't have any problem with hunting per se, especially in NZ where hunting does help control invasive species to a degree. [I'll qualify that by saying I don't hunt at all, and I certainly don't condone hunting threatened species, but hunting in itself is not evil]. Almost all the species these guys were shooting were introduced pest/game species (wallabies, hares, rabbits, tahr, chamois, etc). However they were clearly not "proper" hunters, just a bunch of halfwits who were having fun blasting animals into oblivion (especially noticeable in the wallaby shoot clips).

I have no problem with hunting either, although I have never really hunted, apart from taking down some sea gulls many years ago (pest control, was working on a fish farm at the time). But the minimum for a hunter is to show respect for his prey, which those jackasses didn't do at all.
 
DOC closer to taking on alleged Kereru shooters | Stuff.co.nz
The Department of Conservation (DOC) hopes to complete a report today on the Norwegians suspected of having been involved in slaughtering protected native kereru in New Zealand.

The report, prepared by DOC's national compliance team, will go to Conservation Minister Kate Wilkinson's office and also to Norwegian authorities with a number of recommendations, said DOC senior communications adviser Reuben Williams.

DOC has identified the five Norwegian men who posted a clip on YouTube last month of them shooting a wide range of New Zealand wildlife over five weeks during summer.

The clip showed a hunter shooting at a kereru, the bird falling from a tree and one of the tourists holding two dead, bloody birds.

The video also showed the tourists shooting a paradise shelduck with a rifle. Paradise ducks can only legally be hunted with licence and a shotgun during the shooting season starting in May. Illegal hunting can bring a fine of up to $5000.

DOC initially looked at pursuing the men, who have since returned to Norway, through an international treaty Cites (the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora) to which both countries are signatories.

However, that treaty was more to do with trade and it was likely the five would be pursued under New Zealand's Wildlife Act, Mr Williams said.

The kereru is an absolutely protected species and under the Act the maximum penalty for killing such protected wildlife is a $100,000 fine and up to a year in jail.

It would be up to the Norwegian National Authority for Investigation and Prosecution of Economic and Environmental Crime (Okokrim) to decide what action it would take against the men, Mr Williams said.
 
In one of the quotes above;

'They were planning to return for another, longer trip'

Maybe not now though...;)
 
In one of the quotes above;

'They were planning to return for another, longer trip'

Maybe not now though...;)

Ideally they should serve any possible sentence in NZ rather than Norway. I know as a Nordic person (from media reports, never been in prison myself! :D) that Scandinavian prisons are in general comfy and nice, you get your own television and private cell etc. Icelandic prisons are like that at least.

So if you Kiwis have got any 'hell holes' in need of occupants, maybe a couple of cocky Norwegians will do! :)
 
Norwegian hunters charged with killing protected birds - Story - Environment/Sci - 3 News
The Norwegian hunters who shot and killed protected kereru are to be charged under the Wildlife Act.

It has become clear they knew even before coming to New Zealand that hunting the birds here would be illegal.

What's not clear is whether the Norwegian authorities will also take action against them. But if they ever set foot in New Zealand again, they'll be arrested.

It was a video of the men boasting about their exploits and clearly killing one of New Zealand's endangered and protected birds that prompted the investigation.

"We have decided to lay charges under the Wildlife and Conservation Act against the five idiots," says Conservation Minister Kate Wilkinson.

While here the "idiots" shot and killed numerous species, the worst being the kereru.

If any of the five come back to New Zealand they'll be arrested immediately.

"The Norwegian authorities have been kept informed throughout the process, and it's really up to them to decide on the report and the information that they have whether they will lay charges under their own laws," says Ms Wilkinson.

In fact, part of the reason they were charged is because it's clear they knew before they came here that shooting many New Zealand birds was illegal. 3 News has learned the men had plenty of advice from a New Zealand hunting website after asking about hunting practices here. When the men indicated they wanted to shoot birds they were told: "Here's a tip for ya. Forget about shooting any birds. You see, where you guys are going, most likely any birds you see will be protected, most likely endangered, native species. Serious fines, criminal convictions and gun confiscation will be the result if you harm the birds here."

The hunters responded: "We will leave the birds alone."

Forest and Bird are pleased charges have been laid.

"I think it's excellent," says Nicola Vallance. "It's great to see that the Conservation Minister's taking this stuff seriously. I think it also reflects how passionate New Zealanders are about their natural heritage."

The men have desperately avoided the spotlight since the videos were made public, but have recently sent the Conservation Minister emails apologising for what they did.

She didn't buy it.

"They were certainly sorry and I accept that," says Ms Wilkinson. "I think they probably did regret their actions but that doesn't condone them and that doesn't excuse them."

If they return any excuses will be in front of a judge.
this is the news video report Norwegian hunters charged with killing protected birds - Environment Sci - Video - 3 News

as far as I can understand from this (I could be reading it wrong), although charges have been laid the men will only be held accountable if they return to NZ which obviously they won't be doing. In other words, unless Norwegian authorities lay their own charges then they have got away scott free.
 
But their reputations are ruined, they will always be known as the pigeon shooters. From what I have seen their identities are now well known in Norway. They can never go back to NZ unless they want to spend some time in jail.

So far they have had no legal punishment, but I would not say they have got away scott free.

If they were caught originaly in NZ what would have happened. I suspect they would have been fined a few thousand dollars and their crimes forgotten about. Possably now with the publicity this has got they will be paying the price for years.
 
I just cheacked the NZ hunting forum that the media quoted as telling them they could not shoot birds. The tourists who asked about birds on that forum, and were quoted in the media stayed with members of that forum and were defenatly not the ones on the video.
The media ballsed that one up and seem to be accusing any Norwegons they can find on the internet.
 
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