Nostalgia for the Aspinall parks of old

Jose

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Hello everyone ,i hope you are all well , i have another post which is also about Port lympne zoo in Kent. I must apologise for the length of this post, but i enjoy reminiscing on the good times i had in this particular zoo and i still have much affection for it.

I was always impressed by this zoo in my visits to England , and i always made sure there was time on my trips to have a good walk around the grounds and see all of the animals. I remember that it was always refreshing to see such care and consideration for animals in the Aspinall parks and in zoological establishments in general in England. I must admit by the way that in my country it is the complete opposite, although Mexico is a developing country........ and there is much improvement to be made in both the humane treatment of humans and animals. The Port lympne and Howletts of my memory had huge spacious enclosures filled with foilage for the animals to hide in, which didnt always guarantee on me seeing or photographing some of the rarer species. The majority of the animals were endangered or threatened in their wild state. I also remember the atmosphere ambiente of the park was less for the benefit of the public and more for the animals i might add that the atmosphere and the personality of Aspinall was slightly misanthropic but i think that is a very good attitude to have considering the damage our species does to the world, and with conservation in mind. i remember that there were no childrens play parks or viewing windows which made it all the better in my opinion , me being used to the big commercial zoos of my country. I remember most of all watching John aspinall sitting inside the pavilion with the Gorillas at Howletts and the fantastic burmese pythons. I was saddened by the news a few years back of the death of the founder, John Aspinall, who i admired greatly.

However i recently looked on the web page of Port lympne and Howletts and to my horror, i found that the Port lympne and Howletts of my memory have become more commercial. I see that now more common species are being kept alongside the rarer species, viewing windows have been built into enclosures and there is even a safari part to the zoo. I realise that with the death of the late John Aspinall and with the economic crises across the oceans the continuation of the parks must be maintained at any cost,and that there is still a great deal of conservation being done at these sites , but do any of you mourn the old Aspinall parks which were purely for conservation ?

also whatever happened to the Honey badgers of port lympne they seem to have been replaced by common suricatas , there were also some brown hyenas does anyone know what happened to them?
and i read in an old booklet from the zoo i purchased at a railway station many years ago that they once kept an animal called a fischer, does anyone remember it?

Thankyou very much , forgive me for the long post

muchos gracias ,cuidate, y espero todo esta bein con ustedes
 
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I remember the fishers , a very large marten , from my first visit . They were housed in a cage up in the top area near to where the Siberian tigers now are .
 
i found that the Port lympne and Howletts of my memory have become more commercial.... but do any of you mourn the old Aspinall parks which were purely for conservation ?

The parks have certainly changed a lot over recent years to allow them to become more commercial to the paying public. However I think the original 'conservation' ethos is still in play and they achieve a lot more than most zoos in that respect. Some of their newest primate enclosures are exceptionally good though some new species acquired now seem rather arbitrary/random nowadays e.g. Baboons, the 'African Experience' Stock etc.

I think they(more particularlyHowletts) still manage to retain a lot of the original atmosphere, though I have heard on other threads there may be financial problems maintaining the collections.
 
I too admired John Aspinall and still do having only heard about him after his death as i was a bit too young to remember when he died.
The parks i think have still got the orignal ethos and still promote (not as much as it used to) to the close contact between animals and keepers which i definately think should stay.Everyone at the parks i am pretty sure knew what John Aspinall wanted and have tried to keep it as it was.
But with New enclosures being built in other zoos and the world becoming Moderner by the minute they have had to keep up with the times.
When i visited Port Lympne in May last year it was very peaceful there nd not too many Glass viewing areas for the cats only the odd one in the Main lion Enclosure and 1 or 2 for the smaller cats.
The well known approach that Aspinall used was that enclosures were far away from the Public barriers this is still in practise with Tigers,Small cats,Hunting dogs and larger animals.
Also for all of the animals at Port Lympne the indoor enclosures are out of bounds to the public something that i agree with.
I agree Howletts and Port Lympne are still in much favour that Animals come before the Public.I agree with this entirely.
Port Lympne is what i think to be the best zoo out of 22 that i have visited in the UK and i cannot wait to visit Howletts this year
John Aspinall has set standards for modern zoos with Animals in mind with their privacy etc which i am afraid other zoos cannot do aswell.
Hope this Review/opinion etc helped Jose
Regards
 
The parks i think have still got the orignal ethos and still promote (not as much as it used to) to the close contact between animals and keepers which i definately think should stay.

I think you will find the local Council stepped in and prevented the practise of keepers entering the Tiger and other big cat enclosures after the keeper-related deaths. Because the collections were open to the public, they had to comply with this.

I don't want to remove your rose-tinted spectacles;) but not everything at Howletts and Port Lympne is wonderful. Some of the oldest mesh and wooden caging is terribly outdated and should have been pulled down a long time ago, yet understandably because of the cost of replacemnt, these cages still have animals living in them.

The oldest Gorilla house at Howletts is over fifty years old but still in use, its pretty old fashioned and cramped- yet Chessington which have a similar but much larger enclosure were recently threatened with having their zoo license revoked unless they improved it.

The indoor Elephant accomodation at both parks, in my opinion, is substandard, again its cost. Particularly Port Lympne's where the elephant paddocks are also on the exposed windy hillside- not an ideal situation. At Port Lympne,they failed miserably to multiply their ASian elephant group and dispersed the remainder.

Nowhere is perfect...
 
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perhaps it is the fishing cat?

They kept fisher (Martes pennanti) at Howletts in the 1980s (I think). I have a guide book somewhere with a picture of one.

Several years ago I had a plumber to look at my central heating and he came on the same day as I received a magazine from Chester Zoo. He saw this and knowing that I probably knew something about nature told me he had been on holiday to Canada and seen a fischer. I was the only person he had told who knew what he was talking about.
 
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Thanks for that Pertinax and i do agree ,is the oldest Gorillas house the 'Gorilliarium'? i have seen many pictures of it and it looks really big and very good.However 50 years it could be time for a major renovation, I have only been to Port Lympne but i have not been to Howletts but i have heard alot about it and hope to visit in May this year so i cannot comment on the enclosures there as i have not seen them in my own eyes but only in pictures.
Regards
I am pretty sure that a close bond is kept from Big Cat to Keeper through the bars but they do not go in with them.
 
But from out of the 22 zoos in the UK i have been to all in the last 12 years! that Port Lympne is the best i have been to.
 
the hony bagers went to howletts and the brown hyena went to africa

i have been to both parks i do agree i think port lympne should use its space better, especially with the monkeys, i would like to see them all in large natural open-top enclosures

time for a major renervation at howletts

i'm sure that you will agree with me
 
Yes i do Cat man but i think Howletts should keep the original ethos Large enclosure for cats with distant barriers, no indoor viewing etc. and the large tall Leopard enclosures which have had so many breeding success'
And of course keep the Howletts 'Gorillarium' Style exhibits as they are fantastic for the gorillas.:)
 
Yes i do Cat man but i think Howletts should keep the original ethos Large enclosure for cats with distant barriers, no indoor viewing etc. and the large tall Leopard enclosures which have had so many breeding success'
And of course keep the Howletts 'Gorillarium' Style exhibits as they are fantastic for the gorillas.:)

yes , what i meen is that i feel they should give some of the animals to port lympne as i feel very cramped around all of the exhibits
 
Yes i think Port Lympnes Primate enclosures should be bigger but they are fine for the moment. Also a few of the smaller Cat/Leopard enclsoures are being renovated at the moment the one i saw at P.L was about 20 Meters + from the Public boundry which is fantastic! so they can breed and live in peace away from humans being a meter away from them all the time.
So much privacy do the Animals have at the Aspinall Parks :)
 
,is the oldest Gorillas house the 'Gorilliarium'? i have seen many pictures of it and it looks really big and very good.

Nope. The 'Gorillariums' are all newer and very spacious. There are actually four of them, two newer ones near the Park entrance and two older ones at the other end of the park, in the old walled kitchen garden which is right by the road as you are driving there. These house the 4 breeding groups.

The original Gorilla House is a brick building and outdoor runs with divisions. It is in the kitchen garden too and is connected to one of the Gorillariums via overhead tunnels so they can move animals about if they want to. (The two Gorillariums are similarly connected too.) The three oldest females(the remainder of the Bitam group) are back living in those old cages now.
 
yes i love those parks, personally i can see port lympne getting alot more species in the future, esppecially asian/african hovestock and south american species
 
Oh yes sorry yes i do agree maybe some of the Wild Dogs or wolves but i think maybe a few more elephants could be off to Port Lympne when a new herd is formed.
Gorillas and Tigers should definately stay! as they were the favourites and passion of John Aspinall :)
 
Yes so can i any ideas on species? ;)
Maybe some Asian and south American species they have quite a few of the African allready with the African Experiance.
Hopefully some more tigers as it is their logo!
Maybe some Pure bred Bengals when the time is right. They have had some brilliant breeding success' and it definately carry on.
 
Good Point i do agree the Aspinall Parks are amazing and the best i have seen (only been to Port Lympne though)
 
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