NZ lizard smuggling

sniffer dogs certainly can be trained to detect animals. Unfortunately relatively few airports have them (Christchurch airport I hear is getting rid of theirs' for some reason), and I'd imagine there would be much more emphasis on using dogs to detect drugs. I don't really know anything about that to be honest.

But yes, I'd assume only a very tiny percentage of animal smugglers are caught, sadly.
 
Australian Quarantine Sniffer dogs are trained to detect live animals, as well as food (including meat).

In relation to the legislation change: increasing the maximum penalty is good-and-well, but they really need to include a minimum penalty too.

:p

Hix
 
a report on current affairs programme Sunday, on tv1 tonight (in NZ), about the scum that smuggle endemic lizards from NZ: TVNZ | Breaking & Daily News, Sport & Weather | TV ONE, TV2 | TVNZ

Worth watching if you can. The focus of the report is the jewelled gecko population of the Otago Peninsula. One researcher has photos of 1840 individual geckoes in his study area from the last four years: one third of his animals have been caught and smuggled out of the country over the past few years. (Each gecko has markings specific to the individual, and he can match geckoes from his photographic data to photos of animals for sale on foreign herpetological sites).
 
Only today I was thinking of starting a thread, as I met a Kiwi who was afraid of snakes, so maybe I can piggyback off this thread.

What's the illegal/exotic reptile pet trade like in NZ? For example, is it as common for people to have snakes in NZ as it is for people to have illegal snakes in Australia?
 
its obviously very hard to quantify smuggling and the illegal keeping of reptiles. Not many snakes get found in NZ, and most of the ones that are have come in accidentally in cargo on ships or planes. There are a few cases of people being caught keeping them but only a few. No doubt there are people keeping them but it probably isn't a lot.

With lizards on the other hand, smuggling is rife both in and out of the country, because it has historically been easy to "launder" them as being bred in NZ. Loads of Australian species (birds as well) have been intercepted at the border over the decades: they are smuggled in, and then legally exported as "captive-bred in NZ" to foreign markets.

For local reptile keepers the availability of certain species has recently increased dramatically out of proportion to the numbers actually being bred, and colour morphs of things like bearded dragons and leopard geckoes are all over the place, even though these morphs weren't available before legal imports were banned.

Of course, you ask a reptile keeper here, and they would deny all knowledge of smuggling. The sad thing is so many of them are very anti-MaF and anti-DoC, and advocate (either indirectly or explicitly) smuggling and the illegal keeping of both native and exotic species. They feel it is their right to do so, and the government organisations are just trying to ruin their fun.

Some amusing examples of the stupidity of some of these people:

Baby green iguanas went up for sale on local auction site Trademe. The seller claimed they were bred from an old pair she had from the days before import bans but, oh no, that pair had recently been killed in a fire so she only had the babies left. All the babies were collected by MaF and DNA tested. They were from several different parents.....and some of them were Asian water dragons!

Another loser put green tree frogs (Litoria caeruleus) for sale on Trademe, claiming they had always been in the country. You know, which is why they had never been offered for sale before!! Interestingly enough, that guy has a brother in Australia who also keeps reptiles......

There was even one idiot a few years back who put a snake on Trademe for sale (I think it was a brown tree snake).

Basically there is a set list of reptiles allowed to be kept privately in NZ (see the sticky at the top of the NZ section of the forum). Anything else is illegal or probably illegal. Anything not on the list that is smuggled in needs to be kept quiet. Anything that is on the list can be smuggled in and distributed freely because there's no proof it has been smuggled.
 
its obviously very hard to quantify smuggling and the illegal keeping of reptiles. Not many snakes get found in NZ, and most of the ones that are have come in accidentally in cargo on ships or planes. There are a few cases of people being caught keeping them but only a few. No doubt there are people keeping them but it probably isn't a lot.

With lizards on the other hand, smuggling is rife both in and out of the country, because it has historically been easy to "launder" them as being bred in NZ. Loads of Australian species (birds as well) have been intercepted at the border over the decades: they are smuggled in, and then legally exported as "captive-bred in NZ" to foreign markets.

For local reptile keepers the availability of certain species has recently increased dramatically out of proportion to the numbers actually being bred, and colour morphs of things like bearded dragons and leopard geckoes are all over the place, even though these morphs weren't available before legal imports were banned.

Of course, you ask a reptile keeper here, and they would deny all knowledge of smuggling. The sad thing is so many of them are very anti-MaF and anti-DoC, and advocate (either indirectly or explicitly) smuggling and the illegal keeping of both native and exotic species. They feel it is their right to do so, and the government organisations are just trying to ruin their fun.

Some amusing examples of the stupidity of some of these people:

Baby green iguanas went up for sale on local auction site Trademe. The seller claimed they were bred from an old pair she had from the days before import bans but, oh no, that pair had recently been killed in a fire so she only had the babies left. All the babies were collected by MaF and DNA tested. They were from several different parents.....and some of them were Asian water dragons!

Another loser put green tree frogs (Litoria caeruleus) for sale on Trademe, claiming they had always been in the country. You know, which is why they had never been offered for sale before!! Interestingly enough, that guy has a brother in Australia who also keeps reptiles......

There was even one idiot a few years back who put a snake on Trademe for sale (I think it was a brown tree snake).

Basically there is a set list of reptiles allowed to be kept privately in NZ (see the sticky at the top of the NZ section of the forum). Anything else is illegal or probably illegal. Anything not on the list that is smuggled in needs to be kept quiet. Anything that is on the list can be smuggled in and distributed freely because there's no proof it has been smuggled.

Thanks for that comprehensive analysis. I haven't checked the recommended thread yet, but I assume that the keeping of snakes by both private collectors and zoos is illegal in NZ? (The Kiwi I chatted with yesterday had never seen a real snake before moving to Australia and couldn't understand why our host saved the life of an Eastern Brown caught in some netting instead of killing it. :D)
 
I haven't checked the recommended thread yet, but I assume that the keeping of snakes by both private collectors and zoos is illegal in NZ?

And now that I have read the thread, here is what Chlidonias posted there:

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SNAKES
(no exotic snakes are allowed to be held in NZ, even for zoos. The larger zoos (i.e. Wellington and Auckland) have tried in the past to be permitted to hold male individuals of non-venomous species that wouldn't be able to survive in the NZ climate but have been rejected every time. The only "native" snakes in NZ, in the sense that the individuals make their own way to the country, are the sea snakes which occasionally wash up on our shores half-moribund with cold. These are usually yellow-bellied sea snakes Pelamis platurus although banded sea snakes Laticauda colubrina also occur from time to time. Sea snakes which are still alive are taken to Kelly Tarton's in Auckland for care, and they are sometimes displayed to the public until fit enough to be released in the tropical Pacific)
 
The sad thing is so many of them are very anti-MaF and anti-DoC, and advocate (either indirectly or explicitly) smuggling and the illegal keeping of both native and exotic species. They feel it is their right to do so, and the government organisations are just trying to ruin their fun.

The attitude of many wildlife keepers in Australia, too. I suspect the same is true in other countries.

:p

Hix
 
absolutely. You have the private keepers who keep animals for their love of them but who also care about their survival in the wild and care about where and how their animals were obtained. And then you have the worthless pillocks who just want to keep animals for their own gratification and don't give a monkey's about the animal or the species itself.
 
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