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Danish zoos seem to like to provocate..........

"Odense ZOO in Denmark will soon have another public dissection intended as an educational display. The zoo's male two-humped camel will be euthanized on Monday and then dissected in front of any visitors interested in seeing this. A talk/speak/presentation will be given and questions answered by biologists and zookeepers.
The male camel has begun exhibiting signs of old age and has become increasingly aggressive towards the females and calfs in the exhibit and the staff. Furthermore he has bred well and spread his genes around Europe.
Odense ZOO, along with the Copenhagen Zoo, has raised both controversy and statements of support from zoo professionals and the public over the last two years with dissections in front of zoo visitors of animals such as giraffes, lions and wallabys."
 
I think it is acceptable, given that if welfare needs for animal at slaughter/euthanasia are satisfied.

Think that I dislike about Denmark is the traditional slaughtering of whales with all that bloody sea waters... butchery
 
vogelcommando said:
Danish zoos seem to like to provocate..........
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This has been done for years (before infamous Marius) and is done to educate. Some people think it is right and some people think it is wrong, but calling it an attempt of provocation is factually wrong.

Nikola Chavkosk said:
Think that I dislike about Denmark is the traditional slaughtering of whales with all that bloody sea waters... butchery
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Entirely malplaced in a thread about a zoo, but I'll add a comment since I strongly dislike both whaling and wrong information. Whaling is completely illegal in Denmark and there has been no whaling in Denmark since World War II. There is also overwhelming opposition to whaling in Denmark, as revealed by poll results.

However, the Faroe Islands do whale, but this country has complete self-rule over internal things (education, public and social matters/services, fishing, whaling, etc, etc), which are governed exclusively by the Faroese Parliament Løgting. The Faroese are part of the Danish Realm, a group consisting of three countries (Denmark, Faroe, Greenland), but the Government of Denmark has no power over internal matters in the other two countries. There are other areas where Denmark still maintains rule such as defense and alike, but they are under Faroese laws when there. It is also quite clear that they slowly are heading for complete independence as a Faroese Constitution is in the works, but it is likely that Denmark will continue to be part of the defense and alike. This can be compared to Iceland, another country where Denmark is part of the defense (neither Iceland nor Faroe has their own military). Additionally, the Faroese don't pay Danish taxes (taxes payed on the Islands remain on the Islands) and are not members of the EU. This has resulted in situations that may seem strange to people without knowledge of their self-rule: Denmark was part of the boycott of the Faroe Islands in 2013-2014 when the Faroese suddenly changed their fishing quotas (in violation of a multinational agreement they had with the EU, including Denmark), and the Islands are still trading freely with Russia, while the EU, including Denmark, are maintaining a boycott. None of this is news to anyone who've spend a bit of time researching this, but many people just trust the sometimes rather misleading information by certain organizations. An attempt of putting pressure on the Faroese Parliament last year (an election year!) largely failed because of the misleading claims by certain organizations. They basically insisted on spamming politicians with no power to change the Faroese law, while giving the members of the Faroese Parliament a free pass. Utterly stupid and counterproductive if you actually want to stop the hunt :mad:

Interestingly, there are other regions that people sometimes "forget", perhaps because their remoteness make it harder to get info/bloody photos: Chukotka natives (Russia) hunting gray whales, and Alaska natives (USA) hunting bowhead and gray whales. These have some autonomy from the parent nations, but nothing like the complete autonomy in all internal matters like the Faroese. All these are, of course, not quite the same as whaling in e.g. Japan or Norway, which don't have self-governing regions.
 
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temp said:
Entirely malplaced in a thread about a zoo, but I'll add a comment since I strongly dislike both whaling and wrong information. Whaling is completely illegal in Denmark and there has been no whaling in Denmark since World War II. There is also overwhelming opposition to whaling in Denmark, as revealed by poll results.

However, the Faroe Islands do whale, but this country has complete self-rule over internal things (education, public and social matters/services, fishing, whaling, etc, etc), which are governed exclusively by the Faroese Parliament Løgting. The Faroese are part of the Danish Realm, a group consisting of three countries (Denmark, Faroe, Greenland), but the Government of Denmark has no power over internal matters in the other two countries. There are other areas where Denmark still maintains rule such as defense and alike, but they are under Faroese laws when there. It is also quite clear that they slowly are heading for complete independence as a Faroese Constitution is in the works, but it is likely that Denmark will continue to be part of the defense and alike. This can be compared to Iceland, another country where Denmark is part of the defense (neither Iceland nor Faroe has their own military). Additionally, the Faroese don't pay Danish taxes (taxes payed on the Islands remain on the Islands) and are not members of the EU. This has resulted in situations that may seem strange to people without knowledge of their self-rule: Denmark was part of the boycott of the Faroe Islands in 2013-2014 when the Faroese suddenly changed their fishing quotas (in violation of a multinational agreement they had with the EU, including Denmark), and the Islands are still trading freely with Russia, while the EU, including Denmark, are maintaining a boycott. None of this is news to anyone who've spend a bit of time researching this, but many people just trust the sometimes rather misleading information by certain organizations. An attempt of putting pressure on the Faroese Parliament last year (an election year!) largely failed because of the misleading claims by certain organizations. They basically insisted on spamming politicians with no power to change the Faroese law, while giving the members of the Faroese Parliament a free pass. Utterly stupid and counterproductive if you actually want to stop the hunt :mad:

Interestingly, there are other regions that people sometimes "forget", perhaps because their remoteness make it harder to get info/bloody photos: Chukotka natives (Russia) hunting gray whales, and Alaska natives (USA) hunting bowhead and gray whales. These have some autonomy from the parent nations, but nothing like the complete autonomy in all internal matters like the Faroese. All these are, of course, not quite the same as whaling in e.g. Japan or Norway, which don't have self-governing regions.
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Well thank you for all this info! Certainly journalists write wrong stories (or I didn't paid attention that is actually on Faroe Islands) like: killing whales in the heart of Europe - in Denmark (but that actually is on Faroe Islands), a tradiition repeating every year. I thaught it is allowed. I am happy that is not (in Denmark - in Europe). But those pictures that are provided in the news, all are from Faroe islands? Like here: (?????????????? ?????) ?? ?????? ????? ?? 250 ???? - vesti.mk
I appologise to Denmark :)
 
Nikola Chavkosk said:
But those pictures that are provided in the news, all are from Faroe islands? Like here: (?????????????? ?????) ?? ?????? ????? ?? 250 ???? - vesti.mk
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As I said in my last post, there has not been any whaling in Denmark since the period around World War II where the country was occupied by Nazi Germany and some mainly smaller species (mostly harbour porpoise) were caught and eaten. Even in historic times, it seems there never has been active hunting of pilot whales in Denmark (using the current geographic definition; note that Denmark also included Iceland until 1918, Norway until 1814, etc). The oceans around Denmark are too shallow for this species and it is only an accidental visitor. Among the 15 known pilot whale records in Denmark in the last 200 years, only one specimen in 1884 may have been deliberately caught (the official list only says "caught"; unclear if it was deliberate or accidental in fishing nets). All cetacean species have been fully protected in Denmark in many years.

Large groups of pilot whales pass the Faroe Islands every year and this it the main species hunted in this country. Most photos of whaling from the Faroe Islands, including the one in the above article, show that species.
 
A total of four Hyacinth Macaws have been stolen from the zoo overnight by intruders :( it is believed they may have been taken to order
 
Very sad. The market for such birds in Denmark is tiny and everybody knows everybody. The macaws have in all probability already crossed the German border and are now in another country, making the chance of relocating them small.
 
Odense Zoo opened two new exhibits this Easter - one for red-necked wallabies and eastern gray kangaroos, and one for red pandas and Reeves's muntiacs, the latter apparently increasing the red panda's space tenfold (though their former exhibit was already pretty good).

The wallaby/kangaroo exhibit is walkthrough. To my knowledge, the red panda/muntiac exhibit is not walkthrough (do walkthroughs with red pandas even exist?), but is designed to very immersive so that the red pandas will climb branches right over the guests' heads.

I don't know if any Zoochatters have visited and can tell us more?
 
Any recent information on the Aldabra giant tortoise.

They got a new outdoor in the Kiwara project and had 1.2 individuals.
 
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Odense Zoo has finally started planning a new area for their sealions
As one of the oldest parts left in the zoo it is long overdue with a change!
No news has officially been made about the change yet.
But a post on their Instagram mentions the Harbour Seals are to transfere to a dutch zoo in April As part of the plan to make more space to the sealions.
 
drill said:
They will probably dissect it in the future.
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This is quite a random comment... Most zoo animals are dissected when they die... Just don't believe the media that any zoo animal in Denmark is culled at some point. This is much rarer than they make you believe and Manatees for sure don't belong to the species that are sometimes culled...
 
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