black-star
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Okapi Dayo moved on 19-03-2008 from Rotterdam Zoo to Beauval Zoo in France.
Okapi's In UK Zoo's
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johnstoni
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So, was there ever any news on the secret species Chester were planning to mix with their okapi?
Does anybody know which animal the second male okapi at London was circa 2004? They had 2.1 for some time. Was this an adult or the first offspring of Elila's?
I really wish London would finally send their giraffe and zebra off to whipsnade and create a real first-class facility for okapis. For some reason they just look a little pushed aside in the new enclosure. I'm going to be a little biased having encountered one of them sucking the same bar on the paddock gate for 20 minutes straight, a behaviour I associate with giraffe in urban zoo enclosures but have never seen in okapi. In the former area there was the option to separate the outdoor areas into 3 enclosures, they were under trees in summer, and they had double the indoor space.....
Does anybody know which animal the second male okapi at London was circa 2004? They had 2.1 for some time. Was this an adult or the first offspring of Elila's?
I really wish London would finally send their giraffe and zebra off to whipsnade and create a real first-class facility for okapis. For some reason they just look a little pushed aside in the new enclosure. I'm going to be a little biased having encountered one of them sucking the same bar on the paddock gate for 20 minutes straight, a behaviour I associate with giraffe in urban zoo enclosures but have never seen in okapi. In the former area there was the option to separate the outdoor areas into 3 enclosures, they were under trees in summer, and they had double the indoor space.....
I think the species was meant to be a duiker species (probably F&M and bluetongue postponed it though).
Not sure about ZSL's okapi though...
zoogiraffe
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Its not a Duiker they will follow after the other species if my information is still correct will check when i go today.
zoogiraffe
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Maybe maybe not will try to find out for you.
It was another adult- can't remember his details from memory. The current male at London is 'Dickie' (from Chester) so neither of those two males are at ZSL now. I think one(the spare) went to Bristol for a time but its not the male which is there now.. The first offspring of ZSL's Elila (born & handraised at Marwell) was a female(Jemima or jemma).
I'm pretty sure Chester won't need the spare male from Stuttgart as well as the Marwell male. Maybe they will still take him after the Marwell male returns though.
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johnstoni
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So was 'Rubani', the male London sent to Bristol in maybe 2005, the father of the last two London calves or was he the 'spare' male that made up the 2.1 adults they had around 2004? I'm wondering if ZSL sent the breeding male as he had fathered two offspring with elila already. So the question is where did the spare male go, did he die at London explaining the gap when they just had 0.1 before dicky arrived, or did he leave for some reason as the EEP coordinator did not plan to breed from him and elila?
There's someone called 'Black Star' on this forum who knows all about Okapi- they might be able to help you out with this info.
There has been quite a lot of shifting around between London/Bristol and Chester with their Okapis but I'm still rather confused by it, except I know there was a 'three-males' movement involving London to Bristol, Bristol(Mbuti) to Chester, Chester(Dicky) to London. Bristol have lost a couple of Okapi in recent years, M,Buti's mother Xantia, and before her also a male I think... that may have been Rubani... Bristol's latest female which came from Paris(?) is a direct descendant(6th generation) of their original pair of Okapi, so is the male Mbuti at Chester- 7th generation unbroken line...
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johnstoni
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One of the first posts on this thread suggested that Mbuti was the offspring of Xantia and the male Bristol had previous to the london male (Rubani?) replacing him after his death. So Mbuti was never the bristol male but was moved to chester as he was related to the the others at Bristol being their calf. As I understand it, it would seem his father died either while Mbuti was still at Bristol or shortly after he left for chester. Then London sent one of their males to replace him, only which one I am not sure. It sounds very much like Rubani could have been sent to mate with Xantia, only she died in 2006. So either the 'spare' london male was put with Elila and then died, or he wasn't genetically a good match for her and was sent away, but to where?
Hmm, we need okapi experts!
Hmm, we need okapi experts!
Rubani was born at Basel, not Bristol. Otherwise this list is all correct.
You can see the previous male(to Rubani) at Bristol was 'Ndura'- this one fathered Mbuti in 2004 and then promptly died. Rubani was moved in to replace him. Later the female Xantia died also( summer 2006) Mbuti had already moved to Chester beforehand, so Rubani was alone at Bristol for a time until the new female Lodja arrived..
The current Bristol pairing is 'Rubani'(from London)and 'Lodja'(from Paris)
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Probably, but perhaps only a matter of weeks or a couple of months?
black-star
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I think you mean Kibali.
Kibali (m) born om 31-05-1970 Rotterdam.
Lived in Marwell and died in December 2003 in London.
Other male okapi's i can't find during the time 2004.
London:
Rubani (m) since 1 july 1996 in London and since 2006 in Bristol.
Elila (f) since 1999 in London.
They have 2 Okapi girls ;
Jemima born 1 November 2001 London (moved on 29-07-2004 to Berlin) and Antonia born 1 July 2003 London (moved in September 2005 to Frankfurt).
And Dicky cam to London in 2006.
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