Paignton Zoo orangutan bulu
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Gigit
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I think I heard "Golden Crowned".
I did a google research because I`ve never heard of "golden crowned" mangabeys....google has no result for golden-crowned mangabeys but there are golden-bellied mangabeys (super rare), white-crowned mangabeys and red-crowned mangabeys (a second name for red-capped mangabeys, a third name used for this species is cherry-crowned mangabey).
Gigit
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I see that I actually wrote "yellow crowned mangabey" while I was at the zoo, but they don't seem to exist either. It will be interesting to see what, if anything, turns up.
Mangabeys in the UK.
For many years there were virtually no Mangabeys in UK zoos. They have begun to reappear again in recent years as follows;
White-naped; London 1.2. Flamingo Park 1.1. Dublin c.5.
Cherry-crowned/red capped. Colchester c.9.
Golden-bellied; Port Lympne 1.1 (unless they've recently bred)
Sooty- there was a group(originally at ZSL) at Penscynor in South Wales, but since its closure I don't know where they are now. Newquay Zoo also had one old pair of Sootys, but they have also disappeared.
Black- were previously held at Bristol and Colchester- I don't know if still present in UK.
The Red-cappeed/Cherry Crowned is a more colourful subspecies of the Sooty Mangabey.
For many years there were virtually no Mangabeys in UK zoos. They have begun to reappear again in recent years as follows;
White-naped; London 1.2. Flamingo Park 1.1. Dublin c.5.
Cherry-crowned/red capped. Colchester c.9.
Golden-bellied; Port Lympne 1.1 (unless they've recently bred)
Sooty- there was a group(originally at ZSL) at Penscynor in South Wales, but since its closure I don't know where they are now. Newquay Zoo also had one old pair of Sootys, but they have also disappeared.
Black- were previously held at Bristol and Colchester- I don't know if still present in UK.
The Red-cappeed/Cherry Crowned is a more colourful subspecies of the Sooty Mangabey.
I have just read all 11 pages of this thread and I can add something to Bulu`s family tree:
her great-grandson Bako in Rhenen (Jago x Bosja; Jago was Bulu`s grandson if I understand it correctly) has already 3 offspring, all born this year!!
I have no birth date and no name of the first one, but the name of the mother is Tjinta (born in Cologne). The second was born on July 26th 2007, female Anak gave birth to a healthy baby which has been named Apie (terrible name if you ask me...). Father is Bako again. The third was born on October 22nd! The mother is Jewel who was also Bako`s surrogative mother because Bosja could not care for him (which answers the question how she could give birth to twins just a year after Bako`s birth). The baby has been named Jingga.
I think Demo and Mali will bring some action into the Paignton orang utan group, Demo was pretty active in Münster, I had a good time seeing him interacting with the other young male Pongo and the old male Jonny last year.
her great-grandson Bako in Rhenen (Jago x Bosja; Jago was Bulu`s grandson if I understand it correctly) has already 3 offspring, all born this year!!
I have no birth date and no name of the first one, but the name of the mother is Tjinta (born in Cologne). The second was born on July 26th 2007, female Anak gave birth to a healthy baby which has been named Apie (terrible name if you ask me...). Father is Bako again. The third was born on October 22nd! The mother is Jewel who was also Bako`s surrogative mother because Bosja could not care for him (which answers the question how she could give birth to twins just a year after Bako`s birth). The baby has been named Jingga.
I think Demo and Mali will bring some action into the Paignton orang utan group, Demo was pretty active in Münster, I had a good time seeing him interacting with the other young male Pongo and the old male Jonny last year.
I'm looking forward to seeing Demo and Mali who should be in the show den quite soon.
johnstoni
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The site for this rescue centre mentions they have one sooty mangabey, although this information has been there for several years. An article elsewhere mentions the barbary macaque that arrived last year is being integrated with '37-year old monkey called Harry and his Mangabey companion Misha', whatever that meas. Possibly the Newquay pair originally came from Penscynor via Manor house, I'm not sure that Newquay or Manor house bred this species but for a while Penscynor had a sizeable group, suggesting they did? The sanctuary looks amazing, though, definitely the most fortunate capuchin group in the British Isles...
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Either sooty or black mangabeys were at Flamingoland as late as 1992 (1.1) although the female was in very bad shape when I saw her as the male was said to bully her at feeding time, so I've no idea how long these two lasted or where they went if they left the collection.
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Mangabey histories.
1. The Newquay pair of Sooty Mangabeys did come from Manor House, Tenby. They were called 'Ramrod' & 'Ginger.' I don't know if Tenby got them from Penscynor though given their proximity, its very possible. I do know that Penscynor's group of several animals originally came from London Zoo, which formed a group to go into the (then) new Sobell Pavilions but then later phased them out. (Some of them had originated at Chester where they used to breed) I don't know if they continued to breed after going to Penscynor or how many they numbered and what happened to them after Penscynor closed down. There is no mention of them at the 'Cerfyn' primate sancturay closeby, which would seem the logical place for them to have gone. (So were Ramrod and Ginger the last survivors of this group?)
2. The Mangabeys I think you saw at FlamingoPark were probably White-naped (very like Sooties). For several years in the later 90's they had a single male- indicating the female you saw in 1992 died. Very unusually- and instead of sending him away- they actually got him a new mate and this pair have since bred there.
1. The Newquay pair of Sooty Mangabeys did come from Manor House, Tenby. They were called 'Ramrod' & 'Ginger.' I don't know if Tenby got them from Penscynor though given their proximity, its very possible. I do know that Penscynor's group of several animals originally came from London Zoo, which formed a group to go into the (then) new Sobell Pavilions but then later phased them out. (Some of them had originated at Chester where they used to breed) I don't know if they continued to breed after going to Penscynor or how many they numbered and what happened to them after Penscynor closed down. There is no mention of them at the 'Cerfyn' primate sancturay closeby, which would seem the logical place for them to have gone. (So were Ramrod and Ginger the last survivors of this group?)
2. The Mangabeys I think you saw at FlamingoPark were probably White-naped (very like Sooties). For several years in the later 90's they had a single male- indicating the female you saw in 1992 died. Very unusually- and instead of sending him away- they actually got him a new mate and this pair have since bred there.
johnstoni
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That would make absolute sense, although the first time I saw a white-naped mangabey, I couldn't place it, as it didn't resemble anything I'd seen. The pair were definitely much darker than any White-naped animals since seen, in fact I had always remembered them as black mangabeys, not realising Sooty mangabeys were much lighter in colour. It's interesting, as the most likely explanation is that they were in fact white-naped, with the male surviving through until the son of the previous owner took over and started putting things right in the collection. The memory is a strange thing, can anyone shed any more light on this? Does anybody on this forum remember a mangabey pair in the early nineties? They were housed not in the main monkey cages, but in one of a pair of cages, back to back, with the other holding a lynx and facing the polar bear pool, and the mangabeys facing down the hill towards the rollercoasters behind the current rhino area.
I don't think Flamingo Park have had any other Mangabeys during this period. Blacks can't be confused with the others- jet black with distinctive 'top knots'. They seem to have recently disappeared again in the Uk- Colchester and Bristol both had them in the 1990's.
On my only visit in recent years I saw the single male Whitenaped in a cage which was similar to the one you describe(probably the same site) There was another singleton monkey( I can't remember the species) in the adjacent cage. I was very surprised(and pleased) that they bothered to get a new mate for the single Mangabey.
johnstoni
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Probably one of the remaining Toque or Bonnet macaques? I guess that clears it up, it must explain why they recieved more mangabeys, although I was under the impression that all was forgiven in the zoo community once the son took over the bad old days were behind this place and I just assumed that they were back up to a standard acceptable to most studbook holders and EEP coordinators. They also got Fat-tailed dwarf lemurs a couple of years back but I think these have died out already?
