Dartmoor Zoo Orangutans for Dartmoor?

[Zooreviewsuk]

Teaching orangutans sign language is not what we find so risible about your claims.

Your claim that the orangutans will then be used as support workers for the deaf is the ludicrous part..... and I highly doubt that, as you claim, this is already happening in Japan.

I didn't say being used as support workers .....

 

[ThylacineAlive]

However a couple of people on here, know of what I passed on regards HCC and they were passed on in confidence and they will soon see, as that comes to fruition.

Well considering only one individual of one of the species actually exists, I don't think anyone will be seeing this come to fruition.....

Thylo there have been a number of things I have posted which have been prior to announced by Zoo's as well.

Some of the links I have are down to funding and looking for business relationships of sponsoring exhibits and so on, so I see no reason why anything passed on in those regards to myself would be lies or putaways when in fact the business I work with is looking to sponsor exhibits for exposure and make donations to the Zoo's themselves.

I appreciate your heads up however. But for instance, if the company was looking to donate thousands to a zoo to sponsor an exhibit and so on, it would make no sense for said zoo to lie to said company about something, when it would obviously jeopardise any commercial deal so to speak.

Sounds like you have access to a vast amount of inside knowledge of what's going on behind the scenes at these zoos then. Even more reason why you definitely should not be posting about nonpublic plans on a notorious zoo forum.

~Thylo

 

[TeaLovingDave]

I didn't say being used as support workers .....

So how precisely do the orangs help them?

work with Orangs in teaching them sign language to help deaf people

 

[ShonenJake13]

Sounds like you have access to a vast amount of inside knowledge of what's going on behind the scenes at these zoos then. Even more reason why you definitely should not be posting about nonpublic plans on a notorious zoo forum.

~Thylo

We can joke around as much as we like but this, more than anything that has been said, is the takeaway lesson here.
The old adage “loose lips sink ships” is very appropriate under these circumstances - I’ve lost count of the number of times projects (such as your supposed orangutan one) have been delayed and/or abandoned altogether because of things being posted on this forum and elsewhere online.
This is a site for zoo news and enthusiasm, but unless explicitly told to share the news I always find it best not to post it online! Whether that is social media or here...

 

[Shorts]

Okay I am going to give a hypothetical scenario.

And it's a long hypothetical route to Dartmoor holding Orangs, as I said I won't hold my breath.

Many millions is going into these studies, and I know of two people who are going out to the centre in Japan next year, I am also told a world renowned comedian is also very interested in being involved and wanting to be part of it.

Proving an Ape has moral compass, knows the difference between right and wrong, can openly learn a way to communicate with humans and show emotion, that alone from ECG brain exam results would pave the way for millions in funding from these companies working on this already in Japan.

If these people really have so much money and care about apes wouldn't it be more straightforward to use those millions to highlight the plight of mistreated apes and rescue them now (in the same way Monkey World has in virtually eradicating apes as photo-props in Europe) rather than take such a drawn-out circuitous route?

 

[zelda]

Read "Next of Kin" by Rodger Fouts. A nice introduction to the myriad of books about signing apes. It's not something that's going to be making any company any money right now and not something a sensible zoo would want to be associated with.

But is Ben sensible...?

 

[StoppableSan]

Read "Next of Kin" by Rodger Fouts. A nice introduction to the myriad of books about signing apes. It's not something that's going to be making any company any money right now and not something a sensible zoo would want to be associated with.

But is Ben sensible...?

All depends on whether or not he can run the gambit of managing a large capital campaign (unless the rules are significantly different unlike the States) as well as find a unique yet somewhat naturalistic design that actually portrays life in a Bornean or Sumatran rainforest canopy reasonably well. (Anything but the design in Indianapolis is welcome in my book).