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Yes, apparently the rock is ‘past its shelf life’, as it were, and the 50 years ‘have taken their toll’ on the structure. It is becoming harder to maintain and clean and the off show area is not up to modern standards.
There are whispers in the community that this area, along with The Ranch and the Croc Swamp areas will be flattened and will become the footprint for a new exhibit, possibly linked to a new catering and entrance area at the top of the zoo?

Now posted out as an email newsletter.

Im amazed the new baboon area will be the zoo’s first significant development in “fifteen years,” but given the trauma it’s been through maybe I shouldn’t be.

It was nice to see some historical photos attached to the email.
 
Now posted out as an email newsletter.

Im amazed the new baboon area will be the zoo’s first significant development in “fifteen years,” but given the trauma it’s been through maybe I shouldn’t be.

It was nice to see some historical photos attached to the email.

They don't give an 'artist's impression' of what it might look like?
 
They don't give an 'artist's impression' of what it might look like?
Not in the e-mail, and even in the published plans there is just a lowish, squarish building in plan and section. It will be a little larger and further up the hill than the zebra's stables and hardstanding: but I can't see anything about the outdoor enclosure, so I have no idea about the area, barriers, furnishings etc.
 
Not in the e-mail, and even in the published plans there is just a lowish, squarish building in plan and section. It will be a little larger and further up the hill than the zebra's stables and hardstanding: but I can't see anything about the outdoor enclosure, so I have no idea about the area, barriers, furnishings etc.
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Not in the e-mail, and even in the published plans there is just a lowish, squarish building in plan and section. It will be a little larger and further up the hill than the zebra's stables and hardstanding: but I can't see anything about the outdoor enclosure, so I have no idea about the area, barriers, furnishings etc.
I guess it will end up something like Port Lympne's Guinea Baboon enclosure( the big grassy outdoor one with accompanying house with viewing windows), perhaps a little more 'fancy' in design though....
 
I remember the Paignton Baboon rock being built...:D My only grouse with it is that unlike most of the older and European ones, you can't lean/look over the wall and see what they are doing when they are down in the lower/moated areas, so a fair amount of the enclosure is 'blind'. I guess it was for 'H & S' reasons that they put flowerbeds/bushes in between.
 
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I remember the Paignton Baboon rock being built...:D My only grouse with it is that unlike most of the older and European ones, you can't lean/look over the wall and see what they are doing when they are down in the lower/moated areas, so a fair amount of the enclosure is 'blind'. I guess it was for 'H & S' reasons that they put flowerbeds/bushes in between.
Yes, I agree. However, it is possible to stand on the side of the enclosure between the tortoises and the rock to see part of the blind spot.
It would be great to think that the hillside paddocks that once held Lechwe and a large kangaroo group could once again be worthwhile exhibits. With the RedWoods at that end it would lend itself to a North American enclosure - bear or Elk?
 
It would be great to think that the hillside paddocks that once held Lechwe and a large kangaroo group could once again be worthwhile exhibits. With the RedWoods at that end it would lend itself to a North American enclosure - bear or Elk?
Are there many wapiti left in the UK? Last I checked there were a few odds'n'sods at a farm in Wiltshire, and a few scattered around elsewhere
 
Yes, I agree. However, it is possible to stand on the side of the enclosure between the tortoises and the rock to see part of the blind spot.
It would be great to think that the hillside paddocks that once held Lechwe and a large kangaroo group could once again be worthwhile exhibits. With the RedWoods at that end it would lend itself to a North American enclosure - bear or Elk?

Yes, I discovered you can see part of it that way too. But I wish they'd allowed visitors to go right up to the wall. Anyway...
 
Are there many wapiti left in the UK? Last I checked there were a few odds'n'sods at a farm in Wiltshire, and a few scattered around elsewhere
No very few...I can't think of any zoo that still has them apart from the Scottish Deer Centre which does have them on their map and animals list..

Zootierliste lists just 'West Knoyle' which is the Wiltshire farm, and 'Cupar' which is the SDC. Nowhere else.
 
I guess it will end up something like Port Lympne's Guinea Baboon enclosure( the big grassy outdoor one with accompanying house with viewing windows), perhaps a little more 'fancy' in design though....

Let’s hope they do a thorough site survey before the troop move in then! I remember visiting PL and wondering why there was so much masonry and brickwork in the baboon exhibit. A keeper stated it was pristine before the troop moved in but, due to their nature, the baboons went at it hammer and tongs!
 
Let’s hope they do a thorough site survey before the troop move in then! I remember visiting PL and wondering why there was so much masonry and brickwork in the baboon exhibit. A keeper stated it was pristine before the troop moved in but, due to their nature, the baboons went at it hammer and tongs!
Indeed, I actually think they will have to Hotwire some of the existing trees & foliage to create ‘islands of green’ and then add substrates everywhere else. It would then mirror the zebra paddock opposite and be more like their Arabian Peninsula habitats?
 
Indeed, I actually think they will have to Hotwire some of the existing trees & foliage to create ‘islands of green’ and then add substrates everywhere else. It would then mirror the zebra paddock opposite and be more like their Arabian Peninsula habitats?
So the Zebras no longer have any grazing? I know this is probably deliberate as grass is really a too- rich diet for Mountain Zebras and Wild Asses, which are semi-desert dwellers, and it can causes laminitis, as well as the soft ground leading to hooves growing too long and requiring frequent trimming. I think the hoof issue was one of the main ones in deciding their move. I guess their 'grazing' now is essentially hay though.

Baboons are hard on their enclosures and a troop of pretty much any of the species will soon denude the grass etc if the enclosure is under a certain size for the number of baboons.
 
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I recall in 2017 there were quite an impressive number of birds when I went - coming to mind right now are most of the 'ratites' including both of the rheas, and also the buffy fish-owl. The latter is in hindsight a species I probably won't be seeing again in the near future..
I recall also it was where I first saw the Lady Amherst's and Golden pheasants. The first seems to have moved on, but the latter seems to still be there.
I do find it quite fascinating just how much Paignton has changed since my visit in 2017 with all these things moving on, off the top of my head to name the species - African elephant, lechwe, coatis, swamp monkey, bactrian camels, buffy fish owl, snowy owl [still there?], both rheas, quelea, speckled mousebird, Amherst's pheasant, a good chunk of the bird collection, Parson's chameleon, giant Pacific gecko, beaded lizard... and quite possibly many others I forgot! And the exhibits too even ... the nocturne house was nothing great in my 2017 visit, so I guess now I shall never see its resurgence, though as well as that there is the derelictment of the lechwe pasture [to my best knowledge], the pleasant Brookside aviary, the old takin enclosure, the cottage aviary, the crocodile swamp...and now the baboon rock seems to be next.
I recall around 2017 I was looking forward to the proposed Savannah development which Paignton had in mind .. I fully understand that not all masterplans reach succession, though I do still think that I have been less than overwhelmed with the developments Paignton has made since 2017.
Re. Ratites - at the time, only a couple of years ago, Paignton had representatives of all the ratites, including the kiwi and tinamous, which are still there, but now, the Rhea & Emu have left.
 
So the Zebras no longer have any grazing? I know this is probably deliberate as grass is really a too- rich diet for Mountain Zebras and Wild Asses, which are semi-desert dwellers, and it can causes laminitis, as well as the soft ground leading to hooves growing too long and requiring frequent trimming. I think the hoof issue was one of the main ones in deciding their move. I guess their 'grazing' now is essentially hay though.

Baboons are hard on their enclosures and a troop of pretty much any of the species will soon denude the grass etc if the enclosure is under a certain size for the number of baboons.
The zebras now use hay bags. There is no grass in the old giraffe paddock. It is unlikely they will be allowed access to the new giraffe (ex ele paddock) area anytime soon. The giraffe still haven’t ventured into it yet and are not really visible as their house is closed.
 
I saw a photo on Facebook yesterday showing that they had finally crossed the threshold in to the elephant enclosure - they didn’t go far but it’s a step in the right direction.
That’s absolutely fantastic news, thank you.
Could you share the picture, please?
 
At the moment, there is a ‘kids go free’ offer at Paignton, marketed as part of their Centennial celebrations. It’s a good offer that is really bringing the crowds in. However, it is causing traffic issues locally and there is some conflict with residents.
I’ve stated on here before that Tripadvisor ratings were getting worse, and many fellow zoochatters have commented that generally people write reviews when venting about negatives. However, the sheer escalation of poor reviews in recent weeks does not look good. (There are some good reviews scattered among the bad ones).
See link,
https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Attra...k-Paignton_English_Riviera_Devon_England.html
 
Other 2023 News:

On June 17th, the zoo announced that they bred and released (0.0.38) hazel dormice into the wild.

Paignton Zoo - Exciting announcement! Earlier this...

On May 24th, it was announced that the zoo transferred a (0.1) Komodo dragon named Khaleesi to the London Zoo in London.

Khaleesi the Komodo dragon has swooped into the Zoo! | Khaleesi the Komodo dragon has swooped into the Zoo! As 10-year-old Khaleesi is unable to fly - unlike the species' mythical namesake - she was... | By London Zoo - Facebook

On June 16th, the zoo announced that they transferred (2.2) Wonga pigeons and a (0.0.1) greater roadrunner to the Hamerton Zoo in Huntingdonshire.

Hamerton Zoo Park - Animal Park Huntingdon, Cambridgeshire

On July 29th, the zoo announced that a (0.0.1) Kirk's dik-dik was born in early July and is now on exhibit.

Paignton Zoo - How cute is our new baby dik-dik?? ...
 
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