Perth Zoo Perth Zoo - General Discussion and Speculation

Johnpaul21 said:
Not sure Zoofan15 on what you meant by that last part on questions?
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Jambo said:
Auckland don't have any male Lions - just three females, hence the question.
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Yes, many visitors seem to have an expectation of seeing the stereotypical maned adult male lion.

Over the past three decades Auckland Zoo has held three females; then two males; then three females. I rarely heard the visitors asking where the lionesses were at when it was the two males.
 
Johnpaul21 said:
Hey Jaiden,

I honestly couldn't agree more personally I think It was a waste of time money and resources to bring over Jelani just from him to be non breeding and an highly strung stressed lion compared to Nelson and Mandela (the previous males at PZ) who were very chill and only really Mandela was vocal between the pair but they were a lot more visible and relaxed lions compared to Jelani.
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Thanks @Johnpual21 the zoo could send Jelani back to Monarto.
 
Quick question with the upcoming Orangutan rainforest will the White-Cheeked-Gibbon Tigers and sun bears be included?
 
Jaiden said:
Quick question with the upcoming Orangutan rainforest will the White-Cheeked-Gibbon Tigers and sun bears be included?
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From the plans released a few years back, it just seems like the Orangutan Rainforest will be a renovation of the current facilities with the introduction of aerial lines similar to what can be seen at Auckland.

White Cheeked Gibbons will also receive aerial lines and will remain on the main lake.

Not sure about the Tigers and Sun Bears as there's been discussions the exhibits will be renovated, but this wasn't mentioned in the recent 20 year masterplan and won't be apart of the Orangutan Rainforest precinct.
 
@Jambo I was told by lots of Keepers a Docents that the Javan gibbons will be on the lake since they where there originally.
 
Jaiden said:
@Jambo I was told by lots of Keepers a Docents that the Javan gibbons will be on the lake since they where there originally.
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The White Cheeked Gibbons were the Gibbon species mentioned when it comes to the aerial lines from the lake. I wonder whether a loop will be built to connect their current enclosure with the Javan Gibbons on the lake and allow the species to rotate habitats.

Or whether the plan is to create a much larger loop (extending to the orangutans too).
 
Jambo said:
Yes, the Black and White Ruffed Lemurs. Perth has two troops; a bachelor group and a breeding group.
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So when the island re-opens there will be ruffed lemurs, javan gibbons and white cheekend gibbons all on the same island?
 
Zoofan15 said:
Yes, many visitors seem to have an expectation of seeing the stereotypical maned adult male lion.

Over the past three decades Auckland Zoo has held three females; then two males; then three females. I rarely heard the visitors asking where the lionesses were at when it was the two males.
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this happened at perth zoo alot while we didnt have any males, lots of kids asking where the 'daddy lion' was and parents saying he was sleeping somewhere (idk if they knew there was no male or just didnt want to tell there kid?)

Johnpaul21 said:
So when the island re-opens there will be ruffed lemurs, javan gibbons and white cheekend gibbons all on the same island?
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when the lake closed the ruffed lemurs where no long on the island if i remember right, just the gibbons.
 
ramsayi said:
this happened at perth zoo alot while we didnt have any males, lots of kids asking where the 'daddy lion' was and parents saying he was sleeping somewhere (idk if they knew there was no male or just didnt want to tell there kid?)


when the lake closed the ruffed lemurs where no long on the island if i remember right, just the gibbons.
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It used to be the same at Orana, who have only castrated male lions. They look like the biggest lionesses you’ll ever see! Lately, their lionesses have grown manes in their old age, so now it looks like they have some tiny male lions.

That makes sense. The two species of gibbon can’t mix (gibbons are territorial), so will likely have a separate island each. That may be why there’s no longer lemurs on the island - with Ruffed lemurs perhaps planned for the entry precinct; or for transfer to another zoo.

Black and white ruffed lemur are more difficult to house than Ring-tailed lemur due to the females being highly territorial. It would come as no surprise to see less zoos hold the former going forward.
 
ramsayi said:
this happened at perth zoo alot while we didnt have any males, lots of kids asking where the 'daddy lion' was and parents saying he was sleeping somewhere (idk if they knew there was no male or just didnt want to tell there kid?)


when the lake closed the ruffed lemurs where no long on the island if i remember right, just the gibbons.
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Before the lake shut the Ruffed lemurs were moved to the top of the Rainforest And Amazonia. And they won’t be moved back to the lake form what I have been told. The original plans for the ruffed lemurs where for them to be moved to the east side on the Lawn near the lake but know the will be in the primate trail or Savannah. And the ring tailed lemurs will be moved to the upcoming Entry village.
 
Jaiden said:
Before the lake shut the Ruffed lemurs were moved to the top of the Rainforest And Amazonia. And they won’t be moved back to the lake form what I have been told. The original plans for the ruffed lemurs where for them to be moved to the east side on the Lawn near the lake but know the will be in the primate trail or Savannah. And the ring tailed lemurs will be moved to the upcoming Entry village.
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Walkthroughs typically favour the use of male Ring-tailed lemurs, so one option could be to house a bachelor troop of male Ring-tailed lemur and male Ruffed lemur in the entry precinct.

Lemurs from Madagascar aren’t a geographical fit for Amazonia and so my expectation long term is that soley South American species will inhabit this sub-precinct.
 
Zoofan15 said:
It used to be the same at Orana, who have only castrated male lions. They look like the biggest lionesses you’ll ever see! Lately, their lionesses have grown manes in their old age, so now it looks like they have some tiny male lions.

That makes sense. The two species of gibbon can’t mix (gibbons are territorial), so will likely have a separate island each. That may be why there’s no longer lemurs on the island - with Ruffed lemurs perhaps planned for the entry precinct; or for transfer to another zoo.

Black and white ruffed lemur are more difficult to house than Ring-tailed lemur due to the females being highly territorial. It would come as no surprise to see less zoos hold the former going forward.
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@Zoofan15 from what I have been told the gibbons on the lake will just be the Javan gibbons but every now and then the zoo will rotate them with the White cheeked gibbons but mainly the Javan gibbon will be on the lake. And the Western swamp tortoise will be in one of the garden beds but not confirmed just what I have been told.
 
Jaiden said:
@Zoofan15 from what I have been told the gibbons on the lake will just be the Javan gibbons but every now and then the zoo will rotate them with the White cheeked gibbons but mainly the Javan gibbon will be on the lake. And the Western swamp tortoise will be in one of the garden beds but not confirmed just what I have been told.
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Due to the territorial nature of the species it seems more likely the Javan gibbons would inhabit the island full time; rather than the Northern white-cheeked gibbons having intermittent access to the exhibit.

It appears likely both species of gibbon will be breeding again in the coming years. Kayak and Jermei appear to have lost their infant from last year (see news thread); the male Javan gibbon is relatively recently imported, poorly represented and getting on in years.
 
ramsayi said:
when the lake closed the ruffed lemurs where no long on the island if i remember right, just the gibbons.
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Yeah from what it looks like perhaps both the Javan Gibbons and White Cheeked Gibbons will have access to both islands once renovations are complete.

There's a good chance the aerial pathway will allow them to connect this side of the zoo to the Northern side where the current White Cheeked Gibbons are (next to the Orangutans).
 
Jaiden said:
Does anyone know anything about the Perth zoo Hotel? Will it have any experiences or what animals will be in the exhibit in front of the hotel?
Luxury hotel plans for Perth Zoo revealed
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It says it’ll overlook the Savannah, so they’ll be views of animals; but my assumption is the hotel will be independently run (similar to Monarto), which is further implied by mention that the hotel will be accessible to the general public I.e. zoo admission is seperate.

Visitors will presumably get discounted admission to the zoo and discounts on experiences and tours. Some sort of dawn and dusk tour seems likely to give the visitors an experience outside of normal visiting hours.
 
Jaiden said:
I don’t see the exhibit holding lemurs since the Primate trail has lots of empty exhibits that could hold lemurs with most of them being former Lemur habitats. The most likely thing to happen in my opinion the Zoo will move the Binturong in the Current Javan Gibbon enclosure or the Zoo will get a new animal like a South East Asian Bird or Primate. And there is a small enclosure between the Sun bear habitat and the current White Cheeked Gibbon enclosure the exhibit use to hold Red Ear Sliders but during Covid the Red Ear Sliders passes away and the exhibit currently holds nothing and is blocked of by potted Plants.


Exhibit
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First entry
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Second entry/ Exit
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The exhibit in the pass use to hold the Asian Small Clawed Otter and American Alligator. The Exhibit is still standing today just empty and blocked of I would love to know what you think would be a good animal for the exhibit?:)
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Jaiden said:
My guess would be a Fishing Cat if the Zoo decides to expand the exhibit.
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It’s inadvisable to house Fishing cat near apex predators such as big cats, so if Fishing cat were to be housed at Perth Zoo, there’d be limited options (bearing in mind their adherence to geographically themed biomes). Potentially it could work if housed at opposite ends of the precinct.

Based on documents you’ve shared regarded masterplan developments that mention tigers and primates (but no longer sun bears), I’m very much of the opinion sun bears will be phased out in favour of increasing their tiger holdings/breeding.
 
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