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I feel like the zoo should phase out the White Rhinoceros and get the Black Rhinoceros since they are more threatened then the White Rhinoceros.
And since they are a smaller species they would take up less space of the zoo.

I mean if the images that show multiple habitats is what they are going for, it could be workable.
Black rhinos are not as compatible with other species as white rhino are, they are also more solitary. So while they will take up less space you can't keep them together very much if at all.
But it would def be a good direction for the zoo to go, and the black rhino program needs more help.
 
I mean if the images that show multiple habitats is what they are going for, it could be workable.
Black rhinos are not as compatible with other species as white rhino are, they are also more solitary. So while they will take up less space you can't keep them together very much if at all.
But it would def be a good direction for the zoo to go, and the black rhino program needs more help.
I agree with you they are better suited to a city zoo like Perth zoo!
 
No date has been advised for Permai’s transfer (and may not be until after she’s departed to avoid interference); but since they’ve advised late January, you’d be wise to get any last visits in sooner rather than later. I anticipate the zoo will be busier than normal with others wanting to say their farewells - combined with the school holiday crowds.


It’s important not to avoid making comments like these, which could be defamatory to the zoo; or taken out of context with those unfamiliar with the topic.

The keepers doing everything they can to ensure Permai’s welfare in the interim until she can join Burma.

Abnormal behaviour such as swaying has been reported in the media and cited as one of the reasons for moving the transfer forward; but there’s no reason to assume her mental state has deteriorated to that degree.

There has been plenty of media outlets noting how 'depressed' and 'lonely' she is since Tricia's passing.
 
I agree with you they are better suited to a city zoo like Perth zoo!

Especially for a zoo like Perth, they could resize the exhibits so that they can fit the rhino and then use the rest for some other African species. I actually would have liked to see Taronga have replaced there elephants with black rhino, but we got Indian instead so win/win.
 
I really want to see when the females come to the zoo this year the zoo mix them with the Giraffes like Taronga Western Plain Zoo
I don't believe they are to be mixed straight away - more so down the line, once the expansions/renovations to the current elephant complex are complete. In the meantime they will likely be accommodated in Permai's exhibit once she departs later this month.
 
I agree with you they are better suited to a city zoo like Perth zoo!
I tend to agree too. Allthough, I keep saying it is high time that first Monarto ORZ gets a breeding group too (now with one lone Dubbo bred male on site) and the species coordinator really needs to regionalise the program for southern black rhino.
 
I tend to agree too. Allthough, I keep saying it is high time that first Monarto ORZ gets a breeding group too (now with one lone Dubbo bred male on site) and the species coordinator really needs to regionalise the program for southern black rhino.

The black rhino program needs an import of more males at least and an extra female or two. While we have 4 breeding females now. That isnt really a huge amount in the grand scheme of things.
We should be looking to the USA, they have changed focus from our subspecies to another, some zoos have followed the move. While some would be keen to move animals on to free up space to follow the AZA program.
 
The black rhino program needs an import of more males at least and an extra female or two. While we have 4 breeding females now. That isnt really a huge amount in the grand scheme of things.
We should be looking to the USA, they have changed focus from our subspecies to another, some zoos have followed the move. While some would be keen to move animals on to free up space to follow the AZA program.
Short term 0.1 Bahkita should be sent over to Monarto Safari Park and be paired with 1.0 Induna those are the only two unrelated animals in the region. Dubbo should short or long term import 4 (2.2) Southern Black Rhinos preferably from Africa if such a development was longer term and Monarto had updated facilities then an import of 2.3 should be undertaken with an additional female transferred to Monarto If no future holders were to occur a male bred from unrelated imports at dubbo could be sent over to Monarto and provide an additional male for the females bred on site long term.
 
Short term 0.1 Bahkita should be sent over to Monarto Safari Park and be paired with 1.0 Induna those are the only two unrelated animals in the region. Dubbo should short or long term import 4 (2.2) Southern Black Rhinos preferably from Africa if such a development was longer term and Monarto had updated facilities then an import of 2.3 should be undertaken with an additional female transferred to Monarto If no future holders were to occur a male bred from unrelated imports at dubbo could be sent over to Monarto and provide an additional male for the females bred on site long term.

This would be the ideal situation. I don't think it will eventuate.
Monarto before the elephants had built there black rhino holdings to accommodate breeding. Im not sure in which form this took. But I remember news articles about the changes made that would allow them to house a female and carry out introductions etc. Im not sure how that fits now with the elephants having been built.
The fact that Monarto held onto Induna, will hopefully mean that Bahkita is in the works to move to monarto.

If an import was to be carried out, it would be good to see perth join in and Aquire a pair. While not as large as the white rhino, they do get horns that can grow quite a bit more and look more spectacular then the whites.
 
This would be the ideal situation. I don't think it will eventuate.
Monarto before the elephants had built there black rhino holdings to accommodate breeding. Im not sure in which form this took. But I remember news articles about the changes made that would allow them to house a female and carry out introductions etc. Im not sure how that fits now with the elephants having been built.
The fact that Monarto held onto Induna, will hopefully mean that Bahkita is in the works to move to monarto.

If an import was to be carried out, it would be good to see perth join in and Aquire a pair. While not as large as the white rhino, they do get horns that can grow quite a bit more and look more spectacular then the whites.
I believe there needs to be a review by the ZAA and its members in what direction they are going with all three species of Rhino held within the region. What with the long awaited White rhino import being "uncertain" at this point, also with all but one Black rhino being held by one zoo (TWPZ) and badly needing some fresh bloodlines sooner rather than later. Also again just the one zoo only holding just one pair of Indian rhino (TWPZ) does not bode well for the future, I feel its time for a fresh look and review into all three species within the region with short to long term plans laid out! @Kifaru Bwana
 
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I believe there needs to be a review by the ZAA and its members in what direction they are going with all three species of Rhino held within the region. What with the long awaited White rhino import being "uncertain" at this point, also with all but one Black rhino being held by one zoo (TWPZ) and badly needing some fresh bloodlines sooner rather than later. Also again just the one zoo only holding just one pair of Indian rhino (TWPZ) does not bode well for the future, I feel its time for a fresh look and review into all three species within the region with short to long term plans laid out! @Kifaru Bwana
Very much agreed. It don't make sense that any of the city zoos with some pachyderm holding capacity only invest in the gregarious herd social structure white rhino. Indeed spacewise usually not being at premium both black and Indian rhino would be more at home and certainly over the open range zoo conditions. Added on value are an attractive and impressive animal for the zoo visitor to behold and endangered species to that with a feel good storyline!

Given that Monarto was already on board for quite a good number of years with the southern black rhinos, it would be good if Dubbo transfer out at least one of their cows. Perhaps the suggested move of the older experienced cow Bakhita would offer the best immediate and current potential for setting up that 2nd and much needed breeding group in Australia (and that the bull Induna is not that related with her).

Now that the US IRF sponsored southern black rhino program is more or less moribund and there seems to be an oversupply of available lone bulls. It would be good if one of the zoos with singletons (e.g. Austin Savannah, Abilene Zoo or Chehaw WAP) or a bachelor herd (Disney AK) transfer 1-2 bulls to Australia's ZAA southern black rhino program. That would alluviate pressure on the population and allow for introduction of unrepresented new genes.

Further down, it would be best if ZAA import via a third party (is that in the present IRA also the road to go ... like with white rhino imports from South Africa?) at least 2.4 from Africa with the quid pro quo that the program will also have an end objective to reintroduce southern black rhinos back to Africa ... That would be an extra bonus and win over for the general public and the conservation community at large.


NOTA BENE: I do not think the white rhino import from South Africa is ever going to happen in the short term. I - personally - view / feel it is wasted space after a decade of trying. The 2,000+ rhinos from John Hulme's private conservation estates have long gone to other buyers and conservation parties and f.i. the APF has bought most if not all off him and is set to redistribute and reintroduce these to countries within southern and central Africa where there is a white rhino component in the in country conservation strategy.

For Australia's sakes', if this rhino project had really been an emergency / rescue mission for the species out of South Africa - which it is admittedly not ..., as the species is not going to disappear from South Africa any time soon - allthough under severe poaching pressure - if Australia does not invest ... anything - those targetted rhinos would have been lost and poached yonkers years ago.
The travesty of it all really is that in 10 years time no one within the Antipodes Continent seems to have been able to get their act together enough. The constant wrangling and diddering on about outside forces (IRA or South Africa not permitting exports to take place or whatever other issue was at hand) - are IMO less relevant and just mere excuses for not have anything on the table.

All this not happening .... while European and US zoos have in the past and continue to import southern white rhino from in situ sources without any issues whatsoever. Further, quite a few countries in S.E. Asia and the P.R. of China seem neither to have any issues with importing direct from range state South Africa. I really do feel the Australian white rhino project requires that ZAA staff sit on the doorstep of the Minister for the Environment, the Natal Parks Board and the wildlife traders in South Africa and work directly in-country or nothing will ever give.
 
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Very much agreed. It don't make sense that any of the city zoos with some pachyderm holding capacity only invest in the gregarious herd social structure white rhino. Indeed spacewise usually not being at premium both black and Indian rhino would be more at home and certainly over the open range zoo conditions. Added on value are an attractive and impressive animal for the zoo visitor to behold and endangered species to that with a feel good storyline!

Given that Monarto was already on board for quite a good number of years with the southern black rhinos, it would be good if Dubbo transfer out at least one of their cows. Perhaps the suggested move of the older experienced cow Bakhita would offer the best immediate and current potential for setting up that 2nd and much needed breeding group in Australia (and that the bull Induna is not that related with her).

Now that the US IRF sponsored southern black rhino program is more or less moribund and there seems to be an oversupply of available lone bulls. It would be good if one of the zoos with singletons (e.g. Austin Savannah, Abilene Zoo or Chehaw WAP) or a bachelor herd (Disney AK) transfer 1-2 bulls to Australia's ZAA southern black rhino program. That would alluviate pressure on the population and allow for introduction of unrepresented new genes.

Further down, it would be best if ZAA import via a third party (is that in the present IRA also the road to go ... like with white rhino imports from South Africa?) at least 2.4 from Africa with the quid pro quo that the program will also have an end objective to reintroduce southern black rhinos back to Africa ... That would be an extra bonus and win over for the general public and the conservation community at large.


NOTA BENE: I do not think the white rhino import from South Africa is ever going to happen in the short term. I - personally - view / feel it is wasted space after a decade of trying. The 2,000+ rhinos from John Hulme's private conservation Estates have long gone to other buyers and conservation parties and f.i. the APF has bought most if not all of him and is set to redistribute and reintroduce these to countries within southern and central Africa where there is a white rhino component in the in country conservation strategy.

For Australia's sakes', if this rhino project had really been an emergency / rescue mission for the species out of South Africa - which it is admittedly not ..., as the species is not going to disappear from South Africa any time soon - allthough under severe poaching pressure - if Australia does not invest ... anything - those targetted rhinos would have been lost and poached yonkers years ago.
The travesty of it all really is that in 10 years time no one within the Antipodes Continent seems to have been able to get their act together enough. The constant wrangling and diddering on about outside forces (IRA or South Africa not permitting exports to take place or whatever other issue was at hand) - are IMO less relevant and just mere excuses for not have anything on the table.

All this not happening .... while European and US zoos have in the past and continue to import southern white rhino from in situ sources without any issues whatsoever. Further, quite a few countries in S.E. Asia and the P.R. of China seem neither to have any issues with importing direct from range state South Africa. I really do feel the Australian white rhino project requires that ZAA staff sit on the doorstep of the Minister for the Environment, the Natal Parks Board and the wildlife traders in South Africa and work directly in-country or nothing will ever give.
I agree with all that you have said. Having followed all this for quite a few years now I get the impression that its all a tad to hard for the people in charge here like they are well out of their depth. No import takes more than a decade, I believe as you do with so much uncertainty surrounding the White rhino import its very unlikely its not going to happen getting animals out of South Africa.

Just my own view is if they can't manage to get an import some common White rhino from South Africa there is very little chance of any import of the Much rarer Black rhino ever happening unfortunately!
 
I agree with all that you have said. Having followed all this for quite a few years now I get the impression that its all a tad to hard for the people in charge here like they are well out of their depth. No import takes more than a decade, I believe as you do with so much uncertainty surrounding the White rhino import its very unlikely its not going to happen getting animals out of South Africa.

Just my own view is if they can't manage to get an import some common White rhino from South Africa there is very little chance of any import of the Much rarer Black rhino ever happening unfortunately!
Yes, that is why I said they need to send a delegation or a delegate from ZAA directly to South Africa to sort out the rhino import and be persistent and diplomatic at the same time.

FWIIW: The black rhino import would be from Eswatini and not South Africa!
 
Yes, that is why I said they need to send a delegation or a delegate from ZAA directly to South Africa to sort out the rhino import and be persistent and diplomatic at the same time.

FWIIW: The black rhino import would be from Eswatini and not South Africa!
I like that idea of a delegation to SA but I really feel its all in the to hard to do department these guys in fact I don't believe they are really that serious at all. As you said zoos in South east Asia and even Chinese zoos seems to have no problems so why do ours have these problems?. Could it be that some people in these positions are just doing to bare minimum as its just a job for them or are they doing a job out of their depth which shows in the lack of progress to date?.
 
Short term 0.1 Bahkita should be sent over to Monarto Safari Park and be paired with 1.0 Induna those are the only two unrelated animals in the region. Dubbo should short or long term import 4 (2.2) Southern Black Rhinos preferably from Africa if such a development was longer term and Monarto had updated facilities then an import of 2.3 should be undertaken with an additional female transferred to Monarto If no future holders were to occur a male bred from unrelated imports at dubbo could be sent over to Monarto and provide an additional male for the females bred on site long term.

Really think your suggestion is the wisest Pat' and would be the best to be considered by them for actually doing.
 
Perth Zoo will receive two new rhinoceros this year:

Perth Zoo to welcome new rhinos as elephants' departure triggers new development - ABC News

Once the elephants are gone, what's next for Perth Zoo?

Perth Zoo will welcome two new rhinos this year as the departure of its beloved elephants paves the way for another round of development at the popular attraction.

Details of Perth’s new rhinos:

Thanks to @Mlawlor for confirming the new females are:

0.1 Letaba (1992)
0.1 Si Si (1996)

They’re a cohesive pair and will be coming from Werribee Open Range Zoo.

Both females are non-breeding and will hopefully prove to be amenable companions to the elderly Memphis.
 
I believe there needs to be a review by the ZAA and its members in what direction they are going with all three species of Rhino held within the region. What with the long awaited White rhino import being "uncertain" at this point, also with all but one Black rhino being held by one zoo (TWPZ) and badly needing some fresh bloodlines sooner rather than later. Also again just the one zoo only holding just one pair of Indian rhino (TWPZ) does not bode well for the future, I feel its time for a fresh look and review into all three species within the region with short to long term plans laid out! @Kifaru Bwana

I completely agree!.
 
I agree with all that you have said. Having followed all this for quite a few years now I get the impression that its all a tad to hard for the people in charge here like they are well out of their depth. No import takes more than a decade, I believe as you do with so much uncertainty surrounding the White rhino import its very unlikely its not going to happen getting animals out of South Africa.

Just my own view is if they can't manage to get an import some common White rhino from South Africa there is very little chance of any import of the Much rarer Black rhino ever happening unfortunately!

The biggest issue is why are rhino not on the import list. Bovines are allowable to be imported now, it makes no sense and there is no real disease threat that isn't present from importing cattle or antelope.
Once they lift the restriction on importing directly into Australia we might see more imports happen. But I agree there is this air of to hard, about it. Which never bodes well.
 
The biggest issue is why are rhino not on the import list. Bovines are allowable to be imported now, it makes no sense and there is no real disease threat that isn't present from importing cattle or antelope.
Once they lift the restriction on importing directly into Australia we might see more imports happen. But I agree there is this air of to hard, about it. Which never bodes well.
Rhinos are allowed to be imported into Australia. They aren't allowed to be imported from South Africa. Neither are bovids.
 
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