SeaWorld San Diego PETA to sue SeaWorld

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PETA are attempting to sue SeaWorld over 'slavery' laws, claiming that the organisation's killer whales are forced to do tricks.

PETA Sues SeaWorld Under US Slavery Law - Yahoo!

The lawsuit includes a court order for SeaWorld to release five of its killer whales to be released into 'suitable habitat.'

What are you opinions on the matter?
 
PETA are attempting to sue SeaWorld over 'slavery' laws, claiming that the organisation's killer whales are forced to do tricks.

PETA Sues SeaWorld Under US Slavery Law - Yahoo!

The lawsuit includes a court order for SeaWorld to release five of its killer whales to be released into 'suitable habitat.'

What are you opinions on the matter?

It all a bit of nonsense from PeTA. "Suitable habitat" what that's supposed to mean? I suspect it sounds better than "releasing them back to the wild". And who would foot such a bill? Not PeTA or HSUS as they are to busy investing money from their supporters in pension schemes for their directors, etc.

Sea World actually owns 24 killer whales. These five cited by PeTA are the only ones that were caught in the wild - the last in 1983 some 28 years ago. The other 19 animals were all born in captive care and this is a tribute to the excellent care Sea World gives to it animals. And as pointed out by some commentators this is also an abuse of the 13th Amendment and an insult to many humans that are still in real slavery around the world who would gladly swap their lifestyle to be treated like the whale at Sea World.

I was asked to write a blog on this which is HERE.
 
Even for a group as controversial as PETA, this idea is so far out it is just mind boggling. The only good thing is that it is so offensive that it should backfire on them and cause them to lose some of their supporters.
 
Seaworld could just start paying the orcas wages and they'll just pay it back for their rent and food.
 
Anyone think this is an attempt to get a wingbat judge to file in their favor, and then use that is justification to go after Cargill and every other Agriculture company? Not to mention Zoos. They don't have to actually win anything, just enough suits and they can bankrupt their targets.
 
I guess that the next step will be that Tilikum can be charged with murder??

Hah, really.

And really, how does one force a one ton animal to do tricks? And from what I understand, positive reinforcement is used in training. I wonder how many of these PeTA supporters and the members use adversive training methods on their animals?
 
The lawsuit includes a court order for SeaWorld to release five of its killer whales to be released into 'suitable habitat.'

Then PETA will sue killer whales for murder on seals and fish. Remember, PETA considers fish friends, not food. Killer whales should eat only tofu. :p

I guess, main reason is PETA drawing attention to itself. Less publicity for them, the better. More attention of PETA failing to really help animals (huge numbers of euthanized dogs come to mind) the better.
 
Hah, really.

And really, how does one force a one ton animal to do tricks? And from what I understand, positive reinforcement is used in training. I wonder how many of these PeTA supporters and the members use adversive training methods on their animals?
Apparently they do it by withholding food from them. At least, that's what the people over on miamiseaprison website claims. It doesn't matter that I know many of the San Diego trainers and I have countless photos of the whales being fed, they're still forced to perform for their meals. :rolleyes:
 
I saw the article in our state newspaper the other day and really had to laugh. One of PETA's gripes is that Sea World separates families. Well, several of the whales in the lawsuit have calves that were born in captivity. If the 5 whales are moved to a 'suitable habitat', what about the calves? Wouldn't PETA be doing what they oppose Sea World for doing? When will these people realize that an orca that has been in captivity for most of its life CAN NOT be released back into the wild and survive? Sure, they may be able to learn to hunt for their own food like Keiko did, but they don't have the immune systems to protect them against the organisms and bacteria that's in natural water. Keiko died from an infection because his body didn't have the immune system his wild relatives have built up from living in the wild. Does PETA want these 5 whales to be dead in a year?
 
Apparently they do it by withholding food from them. At least, that's what the people over on miamiseaprison website claims. It doesn't matter that I know many of the San Diego trainers and I have countless photos of the whales being fed, they're still forced to perform for their meals. :rolleyes:

Most marine mammal facilities use operant condition which is commonly (but not completely accurate) called positive reinforcement. The animals are not "forced to perform for their meals." Even if an individual chooses to not perform a behavior, or perform an incorrect behavior, they still receive their food, just not immediately. No matter what happens, they get all the food that they need, the training sessions (when public, they are performances) just serve to provide mental and physical stimuli while also providing the ability of hands on medical care. The food they receive at these sessions act as rewards and not their complete diets. There are many times when the trainers will just pour the buckets of food into the mouths just for the animals paying attention to them, but the animals will still remain by the side and perform behaviors regardless of food. The performances and training sessions are considered to be fun for the animals. This is commonly seen in humans when people work towards success with little reward besides accomplishing the task itself.

This technique is also commonly used in many terrestrial animals as the training processes in zoos developed from that from marine mammals. If PETA feels as if the marine mammals are forced to perform for their food, then they have to also think that all other animals that are including big cats, ungulates, etc.

Also, this lawsuit is entirely a publicity stunt and I hope that the lawyers for PETA ruin their reputations eventually leading to a point at which lawyers would no longer want to represent PETA.
 
Most marine mammal facilities use operant condition which is commonly (but not completely accurate) called positive reinforcement. The animals are not "forced to perform for their meals." Even if an individual chooses to not perform a behavior, or perform an incorrect behavior, they still receive their food, just not immediately. No matter what happens, they get all the food that they need, the training sessions (when public, they are performances) just serve to provide mental and physical stimuli while also providing the ability of hands on medical care. The food they receive at these sessions act as rewards and not their complete diets. There are many times when the trainers will just pour the buckets of food into the mouths just for the animals paying attention to them, but the animals will still remain by the side and perform behaviors regardless of food. The performances and training sessions are considered to be fun for the animals. This is commonly seen in humans when people work towards success with little reward besides accomplishing the task itself.

This technique is also commonly used in many terrestrial animals as the training processes in zoos developed from that from marine mammals. If PETA feels as if the marine mammals are forced to perform for their food, then they have to also think that all other animals that are including big cats, ungulates, etc.

Also, this lawsuit is entirely a publicity stunt and I hope that the lawyers for PETA ruin their reputations eventually leading to a point at which lawyers would no longer want to represent PETA.
Did you miss my eye rolling smiley? I know they don't withhold food from them to make them perform. There've been times in San Diego when only Corky and Ulises would do a show because Kasatka decided she didn't want to and since she's the matriarch, the other whales except those 2 refused to do the show. I've seen the whales do their own thing plenty of times. I've seen them being fed lots of times. I used to train dolphins and I've worked in a zoo so I'm quite familiar with training techniques. :)
 
I certainly disagree...

...with much of what SeaWorld does, and their overall operating philosophy.

HOWEVER -- I don't see how anyone in their right mind can see what they do as "slavery." Operating in blissful ignorance, perhaps, but slavery? What a joke!

PETA is doing nothing more than wasting everyone's time, energy, and money (gee, kinda like the Repuglicans in DC, hmmm?) I hope whatever judge gets this case is intelligent enough to give it nothing more than the derisive laughter it so richly deserves.
 
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