Phase-In Species for the US?

ThylacineAlive said:
Interesting. Which species of dragon (genus Dragonias:D) do they have and please make sure to add the common name as well:D. Does the AZA have a plan for these animals yet?

I believe the Bronx Zoo is planning on getting a Hydra (Dragonias Aquarnius) from Southeast Asia to add to their Asian Monorail.:D The species doesn't fly so they're just going to upgrade the Indian Elephant exhibit and keep it there since the exhibit is large enough and has a pool (the hydra is a very semi-aquatic species of dragon).:D
Click to expand...
Hmmm. Now you're just being difficult! ;) Making me think this early on a Tuesday morning. We have the Hydra oligactis or Brown Hydra. There's no plans for them, yet, but they do have plans for the much larger, land dragons. :)

(for the record, before anyone who knows the animal list at Phoenix Zoo jumps on me about 'misinformation', the only dragons that I know of are land dragons...komodo)
 
tschandler71 said:
How about Hirola as the first step to a hoofstock renaissance
Click to expand...

This may be a Fantasy Zoos forum, but this is not a fantasy zoo thread. I seriously doubt a Hirola will be imported to the U.S. If you were serious when posting this, what information do you know about Hirolas coming to the U.S.?
 
Random Question: Could Humans be considered generic breeds since most of us are mixed races and a race is just the same as a breed in my eyes except one is used for people and another is used for animals.
 
Anthropologically, there is no such thing as races within the human population. There is just no genetic diversity among the population. No races, no subspecies, no worries.
 
ThylacineAlive said:
This may be a Fantasy Zoos forum, but this is not a fantasy zoo thread. I seriously doubt a Hirola will be imported to the U.S. If you were serious when posting this, what information do you know about Hirolas coming to the U.S.?
Click to expand...

Your random suggestions and off-topic conversations also moved this thread to Fantasy Zoos.
 
BeardsleyZooFan said:
Your random suggestions and off-topic conversations also moved this thread to Fantasy Zoos.
Click to expand...

Oh the dragon thing.:o Sorry but that wasn't just me it was azcheetah2 as well. Mabye we had too much fun with the whole dragon thing:o Again, sorry anyway to get it moved back?
 
jbnbsn99 said:
Anthropologically, there is no such thing as races within the human population. There is just no genetic diversity among the population. No races, no subspecies, no worries.
Click to expand...

Do Dog breeds have genetic diversity? I thought there were two debated Extinct subspecies of Humans, Homo sapiens idaltu and Homo sapiens neanderthalensis and then we are Homo sapiens sapiens.
 
No, dogs have very little genetic diversity as well. What we see in dogs is what we've bred into the. Neanderthalensis is now considered a separate species. Idaltu is the direct predecessor or sapiens.
 
jbnbsn99 said:
No, dogs have very little genetic diversity as well. What we see in dogs is what we've bred into the. Neanderthalensis is now considered a separate species. Idaltu is the direct predecessor or sapiens.
Click to expand...

Ok. Thanks. Now let's get this conversation back on the real, serious topic so it can get moved back to the General Zoo Discussion forum. It can be moved back, right? I feel bad I pretty much caused its moving to the Fantasy Zoos forum.:(
 
jbnbsn99 said:
There is just no genetic diversity among the population
Click to expand...

You're wrong on this count - there is a vast amount of genetic diversity among populations which have never left Africa, and it is only populations in those parts of Africa bordering the Atlantic and outside of Africa which have become genetically homogenised. In fact, of the 6 major mitochondrial haplogroups, L1 through to L6, only L2 left the African continent at the time when Homo sapiens spread throughout the world.
 
TeaLovingDave said:
You're wrong on this count - there is a vast amount of genetic diversity among populations which have never left Africa, and it is only populations in those parts of Africa bordering the Atlantic and outside of Africa which have become genetically homogenised. In fact, of the 6 major mitochondrial haplogroups, L1 through to L6, only L2 left the African continent at the time when Homo sapiens spread throughout the world.
Click to expand...

Yes, but not enough diversity to make anything of racial distinctions as we currently see them.
 
jbnbsn99 said:
Yes, but not enough diversity to make anything of racial distinctions as we currently see them.
Click to expand...

Oh, no doubt there - for one thing, the diversity is such that one generally stated racial group contains five-sixths of the mitochondrial diversity, and all the other racial groups share the final sixth.

I was just disputing the statement that there was *no* diversity :p
 
To keep this back on topic with species to phase in for US zoos, (and I know I'm throwing out a ton of suggestions, but I think this thread is an interesting one) what about Indian and Arabian Gray Wolves? Those are both rare subspecies that don't get a whole lot of protection in their home ranges. They are also pretty unique-looking, as far as wolves go.
 
ThylacineAlive said:
This may be a Fantasy Zoos forum, but this is not a fantasy zoo thread. I seriously doubt a Hirola will be imported to the U.S. If you were serious when posting this, what information do you know about Hirolas coming to the U.S.?
Click to expand...

People were throwing out Blue Whales and I get called out for Hirola? WTF?
 
elefante said:
To keep this back on topic with species to phase in for US zoos, (and I know I'm throwing out a ton of suggestions, but I think this thread is an interesting one) what about Indian and Arabian Gray Wolves? Those are both rare subspecies that don't get a whole lot of protection in their home ranges. They are also pretty unique-looking, as far as wolves go.
Click to expand...

I would love to see Arabian and Indian Wolves in the U.S. but i doubt that's going to happen. I don't think there are any Grey Wolf subspecies not native to North America that are found in U.S. zoos but I'm not sure as most zoos don't list any Grey Wolf subspecies unless they're either Mexican or Red Wolves (many zoos just consider Red Wolves as a seperate species). The dabate on Grey Wolf subspecies also makes this difficult. Many European wolves are just considered all to be Eurasian Wolves by some and then several different subspecies (ex. Eurasian, Italian, Iberian) by others. The Beardlsey Zoo here in Connecticut splits the Grey Wolf species into three different species in their WOLF exhibit- Red Wolf, Grey Wolf (native to North America), and Asian Wolf.

tschandler71 said:
People were throwing out Blue Whales and I get called out for Hirola? WTF?
Click to expand...

True. The Hirola isn't the strangest thing said so far. I mean, I'm the one that brought up Dragons which got the thread moved to the Fantasy Zoos forum (sorry:(). Now I'm trying to get it moved back so let's all start talking about more realistic things that are based on fact instead of what we want.
 
  • Like
Reactions: JVM
The truth is, if you look through the Regional Collection Plans for the various AZA TAG's, there are practically no phase in recommendations. There isn't anything that can legitimately put in this thread but wild speculation, hence its presence in the Fantasy Zoos thread.
 
ThylacineAlive- For the last time, Beardsley doesn't have Gray Wolves anymore!!!:p
tschlander71- The Blue Whale suggestion was sarcasm in response to a list of animals no government would export out of their country, like Indris, Platypus, and Javan Rhinos. And language please.
Ituri- I guess that makes sense when you put it that way. It's just that I've read through several documents and other ZooChatters have said that Jaguarundis were being considered for a phase-in species, so I wondered if there were any more. Thanks.
 
BeardsleyZooFan said:
ThylacineAlive- For the last time, Beardsley doesn't have Gray Wolves anymore!!!:p
tschlander71- The Blue Whale suggestion was sarcasm in response to a list of animals no government would export out of their country, like Indris, Platypus, and Javan Rhinos. And language please.
Ituri- I guess that makes sense when you put it that way. It's just that I've read through several documents and other ZooChatters have said that Jaguarundis were being considered for a phase-in species, so I wondered if there were any more. Thanks.
Click to expand...

I've seen a few species in some of the Avian TAGs but those are all fairly old RCPs too, so who knows.
 
BeardsleyZooFan- I know that, I've been to the zoo recently, you've seen my pictures, if they still had them, there'd be pictures (a lot of commas in that sentence. Is that grammaticly correct). They don't have any Asian Wolves either, I was just talking about what it says on a board in the WOLF exhibit. Yes, the AZA is trying to phase-in Jaguarundis but that's about it as far as anyone knows.

Anyone- Didn't the Bronx Zoo bring in some species of bird over the summer that's like the first of its kind in the U.S. or something like that. Some kind of shore or wading bird I think. What's the chance that other zoos and aquariums will start holding Scaly-Sided Mergansers because, right now, only the Central Park Zoo holds them.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top