I was talking to someone who works at the Bronx Zoo who said that the Prospect Park Zoo will likely not open until August.
That's awful
I was talking to someone who works at the Bronx Zoo who said that the Prospect Park Zoo will likely not open until August.
On June 1st, the zoo announced that a (0.0.1) North American porcupine was born on April 30th.
Prospect Park Zoo
I was talking to someone who works at the Bronx Zoo who said that the Prospect Park Zoo will likely not open until August.
Knowing how the City of New York works, I would think August 2024 would be optimistic.Is this still the last anyone has heard on the subject? Trying to figure out if there’s any chance in hell they might be open again by spring….
Granted, I for one would like to think it's a good thing the zoo no longer attempts to cram large animals inside such a small footprint! While, yes, the current zoo lacks those charismatic megafauna, instead there is a pretty respectable collection of smaller species, including Hamadryas baboons, dwarf mongoose, sand cats, tufted deer, white-headed marmosets, wreathed hornbills, demoiselle cranes, white-crested laughing thrush, a variety of pheasant species, lettered aracari, Southern white-faced owl, fire salamanders, and more. Collection is not a weak spot of the Prospect Park Zoo, unless looked at solely from the perspective of charismatic megafauna.In my youth - and its heyday- the PPZ was superior even to its municipal counterpart in Central Park.
Asian elephant, Black rhino, Nile hippos, African lion, jaguar, Polar bears, Asiatic black best among the collection
Of course the exhibits housing the collection was inferior - but not the collection in itself.
Is this necessarily a bad thing? Zoogeography is great, but it isn't the solution for every zoo or what each zoo wishes to achieve. I for one would rather see zoos that have all different sorts of layouts, rather than for every single zoo to have a zoogeographic theme, especially for smaller zoos where it becomes more difficult to pull off a zoogeographic theme successfully.There was no attempt to set a zoo geographic them - though , apparently , they made so attempt to build an Australasian biome but this was seemingly abandoned with the deacquisitioning of any macropods.
I'm under the impression this investment is mainly due to repairing flood damage. I wouldn't be surprised if changes to the visitor side of things is minimal. Are there ways Prospect Park Zoo can be improved? Absolutely, but that's the case for every zoo in the country. For what the zoo is trying to achieve, it's actually a really great zoo and I'm not sure there's much needed to "enhance" the facility, although something like some fresh signage could be a nice touch for a more visible change.I would The City invests in adding in during the repairs but , likelier , they will diminish rather than enhance the facility and its collection
There is an entire building -actually a consolidation of two former facilities - that has gone unused since the renovation in 1993.Granted, I for one would like to think it's a good thing the zoo no longer attempts to cram large animals inside such a small footprint! While, yes, the current zoo lacks those charismatic megafauna, instead there is a pretty respectable collection of smaller species, including Hamadryas baboons, dwarf mongoose, sand cats, tufted deer, white-headed marmosets, wreathed hornbills, demoiselle cranes, white-crested laughing thrush, a variety of pheasant species, lettered aracari, Southern white-faced owl, fire salamanders, and more. Collection is not a weak spot of the Prospect Park Zoo, unless looked at solely from the perspective of charismatic megafauna.
Is this necessarily a bad thing? Zoogeography is great, but it isn't the solution for every zoo or what each zoo wishes to achieve. I for one would rather see zoos that have all different sorts of layouts, rather than for every single zoo to have a zoogeographic theme, especially for smaller zoos where it becomes more difficult to pull off a zoogeographic theme successfully.
I'm under the impression this investment is mainly due to repairing flood damage. I wouldn't be surprised if changes to the visitor side of things is minimal. Are there ways Prospect Park Zoo can be improved? Absolutely, but that's the case for every zoo in the country. For what the zoo is trying to achieve, it's actually a really great zoo and I'm not sure there's much needed to "enhance" the facility, although something like some fresh signage could be a nice touch for a more visible change.
When the WCS acquired Central Park Zoo, Prospect Park Zoo and Queens Zoo in 1980, design philosophies were implemented to help the zoos distinguish themselves from one another. Central Park would focus on biomes (Tropic Zone, Temperate Territory and Polar Circle, plus the two "big animals" that would be kept would be polar bears and California sea lions), Prospect Park would focus on children's education, and Queens would focus on American animals (North and South America), and Bronx would be the go-to place for all the "big" animals. Having hippos or rhinos at Prospect Park wouldn't make sense given this theme and would just feel out of place since the focus would be shifted to small mammals. Especially when a three-year-old boy was mauled by polar bears at Prospect Park in 1987, and all the large mammal exhibits were in disrepair, there was a welfare imperative to move all the larger mammals to the Bronx and to highlight smaller mammals instead. THAT SAID, having visited Prospect Park in Fall 2022 and Summer 2023, it's *incredibly* charming. I think a couple things about it could be changed personally (sloth bears would be an INCREDIBLE addition to the Discovery Trail, and I agree that deacquisitioning the kangaroos was a perplexing and ultimately pointless move, plus murals could be added to Hall of Animals as the hallways between the different sections kinda feel like The Backrooms, but that's just me.). The important thing about zoos is that we niche zoo nerds are not the general audience. The general audience is the general audience, who want to see zoos that do right by their animals and inspire people of all ages and walks of life to learn about the natural world.There is an entire building -actually a consolidation of two former facilities - that has gone unused since the renovation in 1993.
Never realized .
The original intent was to repurpose tbe former best dens and consolidate tbe northern and southern enclosures into one each
That was abandoned.
I agree that , while the pre 1990s collection was exceptional it was poorly housed by people who did not know what they were doing - civil service employees and not zoo professionals.
I also agree that every zoo need not be zoogeographic but it should be unique.
WCS has virtually no Australasian fauna and, it appeared that PPZ zoo was going in that direction
The abandoned exhibit should be repurposed into a habit for Australasian fauna in a building similar to COZ tropic zone with Echidna, tree kangaroo , cockatoo, wallaby ,cassowary etc to compliment the dingo and emu outdoor exhibit.
They could have continued to exhibit Asiatic black bear in one consolidate ( There previously had been three) open bear enclosure on the south side and housed the Hamadryas on the other.
They could have had Nile hippo remain as a single specie in the former pachyderm exhibit or even expanded it to include Black rhino - what is the square footage of the current White rhino
( two males ) , including indoor , at the Bronx ? And maintained Oragutan - none in any WCS facility .
Then kept their small fields as well
Thus they would have held about 20 species on their 12 acres
Look at the Queens zoo.
It holds bison, elk, spectacled bear, cougar, pudo though it lacks in door facilities
From the time I first went to the zoos as a toddler I found the entire concept of a “children’s zoo” moronic
So a child can only appreciate a mouse or a rabbit but not an Orangutan or Rhino?
The barn yard exhibit has to go
More money
Brooklyn has 2,000,000 people and deserves a better zoo
And I am NOT a Broolynyte
I do not disagree with you but..we need the , “show animals” to “Bring them in - if not Back Alive”When the WCS acquired Central Park Zoo, Prospect Park Zoo and Queens Zoo in 1980, design philosophies were implemented to help the zoos distinguish themselves from one another. Central Park would focus on biomes (Tropic Zone, Temperate Territory and Polar Circle, plus the two "big animals" that would be kept would be polar bears and California sea lions), Prospect Park would focus on children's education, and Queens would focus on American animals (North and South America), and Bronx would be the go-to place for all the "big" animals. Having hippos or rhinos at Prospect Park wouldn't make sense given this theme and would just feel out of place since the focus would be shifted to small mammals. Especially when a three-year-old boy was mauled by polar bears at Prospect Park in 1987, and all the large mammal exhibits were in disrepair, there was a welfare imperative to move all the larger mammals to the Bronx and to highlight smaller mammals instead. THAT SAID, having visited Prospect Park in Fall 2022 and Summer 2023, it's *incredibly* charming. I think a couple things about it could be changed personally (sloth bears would be an INCREDIBLE addition to the Discovery Trail, and I agree that deacquisitioning the kangaroos was a perplexing and ultimately pointless move, plus murals could be added to Hall of Animals as the hallways between the different sections kinda feel like The Backrooms, but that's just me.). The important thing about zoos is that we niche zoo nerds are not the general audience. The general audience is the general audience, who want to see zoos that do right by their animals and inspire people of all ages and walks of life to learn about the natural world.
WCS Wild View: WCS’s City Zoos Project
Happy 25th Re(Birthday) Prospect Park Zoo!
https://www.nycgovparks.org/about/history/zoos/central-park-zoo#:~:text=Animals have been exhibited at,began in the late 1850s.
Has it gone "unused", or is it being used for things the public can't see? Looking at Google Maps and the map of the Prospect Park Zoo, I don't see any unused building- but I do see buildings labeled for education and administration, both of which are important even if not visible to everyday visitors.There is an entire building -actually a consolidation of two former facilities - that has gone unused since the renovation in 1993.
Never realized .
I'm not aware of a single zoo who hasn't changed plans before. I really wouldn't hold it against a zoo for changing their plans thirty plus years ago, seeing as plans changing is just a part of life. I have no clue why the plans change, but the zoo probably had a good reason, whether it be financial, infrastructure-related, or something else.The original intent was to repurpose tbe former best dens and consolidate tbe northern and southern enclosures into one each
That was abandoned.
I wouldn't say WCS has "virtually no" Australasian fauna. Bronx Zoo actually has quite a bit spread out between Jungle World (Matschie's tree kangaroo, Weber's sailfin lizard, Roti Island snake-necked turtle, Victoria crowned pigeon, spotted whistling duck, masked lapwing, fly river turtle, frilled lizard, etc.), World of Birds (maleo, red bird of paradise, green-naped pheasant pigeon, grosbeak starling, etc.), the Pheasantry (lesser bird of paradise, Australian magpie), and World of Reptiles (black tree monitor, green tree python, Mary river turtle, etc.). There are also babirusa on the Wild Asia Monorail. Yes, they don't have as many Australasian animals as they do animals from Africa or Mainland Asia, but still a decent collection spread out around the zoo, even if it lacks a few notable species (e.g., kangaroos).WCS has virtually no Australasian fauna and, it appeared that PPZ zoo was going in that direction
And you think twenty total species would be preferrable to the current zoo? I'd imagine most would disagree with you on that, as Prospect Park still has a lot to see even if it is missing large megafauna.Thus they would have held about 20 species on their 12 acres
Queens Zoo also has a very different theme than Prospect Park, focusing only on animals from the Americas. In 2023, I visited all of the New York facilities (plus both zoos in Northern New Jersey), and I found Queens to be the weakest of those zoos, mainly because of how few animals were displayed. I'd much rather a zoo like Prospect Park, with a large collection of small animals, than a zoo like Queens where I saw 23 species total.Look at the Queens zoo.
It holds bison, elk, spectacled bear, cougar, pudo though it lacks in door facilities
Brooklyn has the distinction of being the only borough with two zoological facilities- as they are home to the incredible New York Aquarium, which is my favorite aquarium I've visited. Ocean Wonders: Sharks! is probably one of the country's best aquatic exhibits, so it's really an incredible place for Brooklyn to have. Furthermore, if people in Brooklyn want to go to a better zoo, depending on their location in Brooklyn the Bronx Zoo is only an hour or two by public transit, likely shorter by car. Bronx easily ranks in the country's top ten zoos, and I think Prospect Park, Central Park, and Queens Zoos likely suffer from comparisons to the Bronx, since just by space alone of course Bronx is able to achieve more and feature more megafauna. I'd love it if every city had a Bronx Zoo in it, but unfortunately that simply isn't possible.Brooklyn has 2,000,000 people and deserves a better zoo
And I am NOT a Broolynyte
This discussion might be better off in its own thread, happy to discuss this anytime!I do not disagree with you but..we need the , “show animals” to “Bring them in - if not Back Alive”
The polar bear tragedy - the children, it turns out, were never even in the enclosure.
This was entirely due to human error and incompetent staff and absurd policies that did not require the bears to be maintained in secured - off exhibit- enclosures to protect themselves as well the vandals who would have trespassed into the enclosures.
Three acres of the zoo could have been devoted to Black rhino or Nile or , even, Pygmy hippo - that is certainly as much square footage as the exterior and interior exhibit for White rhino at the Bronx Zoo.
San Diego has just built a magnificent
“Children’s Zoo”
I applaud the fact that the zoo is concentrating on small felids
I hope they would expand on that theme.
But, as there are currently no Palearctic nor Oriental bears in any of the New York zoological collections - including , the autonomous , Staten Island Zoological Society’s, Sloth bears would be a great addition as would be the utilization of the indoor exhibit that was never opened.
This is a difference. While I am not for exhibition for exhibition sake , my formulative interest in zoos and aquaria began in the, still, “postage stamp “Has it gone "unused", or is it being used for things the public can't see? Looking at Google Maps and the map of the Prospect Park Zoo, I don't see any unused building- but I do see buildings labeled for education and administration, both of which are important even if not visible to everyday visitors.
I'm not aware of a single zoo who hasn't changed plans before. I really wouldn't hold it against a zoo for changing their plans thirty plus years ago, seeing as plans changing is just a part of life. I have no clue why the plans change, but the zoo probably had a good reason, whether it be financial, infrastructure-related, or something else.
I wouldn't say WCS has "virtually no" Australasian fauna. Bronx Zoo actually has quite a bit spread out between Jungle World (Matschie's tree kangaroo, Weber's sailfin lizard, Roti Island snake-necked turtle, Victoria crowned pigeon, spotted whistling duck, masked lapwing, fly river turtle, frilled lizard, etc.), World of Birds (maleo, red bird of paradise, green-naped pheasant pigeon, grosbeak starling, etc.), the Pheasantry (lesser bird of paradise, Australian magpie), and World of Reptiles (black tree monitor, green tree python, Mary river turtle, etc.). There are also babirusa on the Wild Asia Monorail. Yes, they don't have as many Australasian animals as they do animals from Africa or Mainland Asia, but still a decent collection spread out around the zoo, even if it lacks a few notable species (e.g., kangaroos).
And you think twenty total species would be preferrable to the current zoo? I'd imagine most would disagree with you on that, as Prospect Park still has a lot to see even if it is missing large megafauna.
Queens Zoo also has a very different theme than Prospect Park, focusing only on animals from the Americas. In 2023, I visited all of the New York facilities (plus both zoos in Northern New Jersey), and I found Queens to be the weakest of those zoos, mainly because of how few animals were displayed. I'd much rather a zoo like Prospect Park, with a large collection of small animals, than a zoo like Queens where I saw 23 species total.
Brooklyn has the distinction of being the only borough with two zoological facilities- as they are home to the incredible New York Aquarium, which is my favorite aquarium I've visited. Ocean Wonders: Sharks! is probably one of the country's best aquatic exhibits, so it's really an incredible place for Brooklyn to have. Furthermore, if people in Brooklyn want to go to a better zoo, depending on their location in Brooklyn the Bronx Zoo is only an hour or two by public transit, likely shorter by car. Bronx easily ranks in the country's top ten zoos, and I think Prospect Park, Central Park, and Queens Zoos likely suffer from comparisons to the Bronx, since just by space alone of course Bronx is able to achieve more and feature more megafauna. I'd love it if every city had a Bronx Zoo in it, but unfortunately that simply isn't possible.
The zoo reopens Saturday, May 25thThe zoo is reopening in late spring and an official date will be announced soon!
https://twitter.com/prospectparkzoo/status/1773806368291471584
For clarity, the pudu are in the old prairie dog habitat.
Visited Prospect Park earlier today (I was visiting Brooklyn for a concert but had a lot of spare time before having to go back home). Enjoyed it overall--clearly geared towards younger children and with only two "headliner" species, but this gives it an understated charm and allows for a diverse collection including a few rarities--the Eurasian harvest mice alone made my day, and the Discovery Trail feels like a relaxing little woodland hike. Great waterfowl collection too.