Pythons and anaconda importation into US banned

DavidBrown

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If you were planning on importing Burmese pythons, African pythons, or yellow anacondas into the U.S., you'd better hurry because it's going to be illegal soon: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/18/us/florida-imports-of-four-snake-species-are-banned.html

The interstate transport of these species is now also illegal. Does anybody know what the practical effect of this will be on the pet trade for these species? Also, why are green anacondas not banned also?

There seems to be some hope that this move will limit the release of these species into the Everglades, after the bozos who have the current crop of big snakes that they can't handle release them and the next generation of bozos can't get the snakes I guess. The logic on this seems a little fuzzy.
 
Its really about the limited control the federal government has with wildlife policy. Wildlife management is generally operated by state governments with some federal intervention (ie Lacey Act, Endangered Species Act, etc.).

What you are seeing with this policy change is the most dramatic thing the federal government can do at this moment to protect their investment into Everglades restoration without over-stepping the boundaries of wildlife policy.
 
relating to pythons in the Everglades, a paper from this month: Severe mammal declines coincide with proliferation of invasive Burmese pythons in Everglades National Park

the abstract says:
Invasive species represent a significant threat to global biodiversity and a substantial economic burden. Burmese pythons, giant constricting snakes native to Asia, now are found throughout much of southern Florida, including all of Everglades National Park (ENP). Pythons have increased dramatically in both abundance and geographic range since 2000 and consume a wide variety of mammals and birds. Here we report severe apparent declines in mammal populations that coincide temporally and spatially with the proliferation of pythons in ENP. Before 2000, mammals were encountered frequently during nocturnal road surveys within ENP. In contrast, road surveys totaling 56,971 km from 2003–2011 documented a 99.3% decrease in the frequency of raccoon observations, decreases of 98.9% and 87.5% for opossum and bobcat observations, respectively, and failed to detect rabbits. Road surveys also revealed that these species are more common in areas where pythons have been discovered only recently and are most abundant outside the python's current introduced range. These findings suggest that predation by pythons has resulted in dramatic declines in mammals within ENP and that introduced apex predators, such as giant constrictors, can exert significant top-down pressure on prey populations. Severe declines in easily observed and/or common mammals, such as raccoons and bobcats, bode poorly for species of conservation concern, which often are more difficult to sample and occur at lower densities.
 
it really is appalling, and quite surprising in some ways too. If this had just been a story in a local paper I would have dismissed it as sensationalism but the research speaks for itself!
 
Are any measures in place to eradicate these pythons? Does anyone with a knowledge of the Everglades think that this could be achieved?
 
Are any measures in place to eradicate these pythons? Does anyone with a knowledge of the Everglades think that this could be achieved?

If you check out the recent article in the Washington Post online it discusses it (unfortunately my internet is wonky so I'm using very slow dial-up that precludes me getting the link). The bottom line is they think that eradicating the snakes is hopeless given their fecundity, and they are trying to stop them from spreading into other parts of Florida. One would think that big snakes could be hunted out, but the Everglades is a big place with many remote areas for the snakes to hide out.
 
Are any measures in place to eradicate these pythons? Does anyone with a knowledge of the Everglades think that this could be achieved?

I don't if there are any measures in place to eradicate pythons but if it was me I would an old fashion bounty on the pythons.
 
Yet again a handful of idiots ruins it for the many highly experienced and very responsible reptile private keepers that keep these species successfully and would never dream of releasing them into the wild!!!

License it, control it, but don't outright ban it!!!
 
I'm hoping the intent of that paper is to state there is a problem, and not to actually assess what that problem is. The former is reasonably well done, though certainly overstated, but the latter has significant problems. Doesn't change the fact that the pythons are a problem though. And as the authors state, the ecological effects could take years to really manifest themselves, so overstating the problem early isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Some issues:
- Any study that just throws out a lot of numbers/graphs/tables with a lack of cohesion (such as this paper) need to be taken with a grain of salt. They are probably only reporting the numbers that back their argument.
- Most of the data is reported in percent change. This is very questionable, because if the numbers are low to begin with, any change will lead to a large percentage change. This seems to be an isse with rabbits and bobcats in particular.
- They state raccoon numbers were already declining as ENP had been trying to quell the raccoon population since the 80s. It doesn't seem they accounted for this in the analysis. Perhaps the pythons increased the rate of decline, but it is impossible to tell from this article.
- It doesn't seem like they accounted for specific locations within ENP or for time of year, both of which could have an effect on the abundance of some animals sightings.
- In particular, the 96-97 survey covered a lot less mileage and time, so the affects of location/time of year could be magnified.
- Hard to make any conclusions about the peripheral sites, as they may have had a higher abundance in 96-97 as well. As far as I can tell, they were only sampled in the more recent survey.

However, that said, it is clear that the range of the pythons is increasing, as well as their numbers, and this will have an effect on the ecology, if it hasn't already.
 
DavidBrown said:
The interstate transport of these species is now also illegal. Does anybody know what the practical effect of this will be on the pet trade for these species? Also, why are green anacondas not banned also?
Rooney slams python ban as half-measure | Florida Politics | Sun Sentinel blog
While others heaped praise on Interior Secretary Ken Salazar’s ban on Burmese pythons and other invasive snakes, South Florida Congressman Tom Rooney called it a half-measure that “will not do nearly enough to protect the Everglades and the surrounding ecosystems.”

Salazar’s rules, unveiled on Tuesday, will halt the importation and interstate transport of four constrictor snakes. But Rooney notes that the U.S. Geological Service found that nine species threaten Florida’s environment.

Rooney, a Republican from Tequesta, touted his proposed bill that would ban all nine.

“There are nine species of invasive predators that pose a severe threat to our native wildlife," he said, "and all nine need to be eradicated.”

The administration policy will ban the Burmese python, yellow anaconda, and northern and southern African pythons. These four species make up just 30 percent of the trade in giant snakes, Rooney said. Boa constrictors and reticulated pythons are traded in the greatest numbers, he said.

Rooney’s bill would ban these two as well as the green anaconda, Beni or Bolivian python and DeSchauensee’s anaconda.

Even python policy can turn into a debate.
 
Meaghan Edwards said:
Does the ban prohibit zoos from importing the reptiles, or just private owners?
laws of this nature rarely affect zoos other than in the area of more paper-work. They are usually aimed at private owners to stop illegal or accidental releases. With regards to the pythons, despite Jack Hanna doing his usual stirring, it will not affect zoos: Snakes on the plains? Python ban sought to stop their spread across U.S. | Detroit Free Press | freep.com
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Dicks, the top Democrat on the House Appropriations Committee, has had enough: He says it's time to make sure that no more of the snakes, which can exceed lengths of 20 feet, are allowed to enter the U.S. or move across state lines.

To that end, Dicks wants President Barack Obama's administration to act quickly to finalize a proposed rule that would stop all imports and interstate transport of Burmese pythons and eight other types of constrictors.

Zoos would not be affected.

Under the proposed rule, which has won the backing of the Humane Society of the United States, exemptions could be granted for "scientific, medical, educational or zoological purposes."

Although many of the snakes are popular as pets, Dicks said the pythons are "causing damage and devastation" and must be banned.

"They're killing a lot of other species, and they're dangerous," Dicks said.

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Bomb-sniffing dogs enlisted to stem Florida python invasion - Yahoo! New Zealand News
Some bomb-sniffing dogs trained to help fight terrorism are turning their olfactory attention toward a different scourge: Burmese pythons in Florida's Everglades National Park.

The dogs are members of "EcoDogs," a three-year-old collaboration at Alabama's Auburn University between the science departments and the school's Canine Detection Research Institute, which trains dogs to detect explosives.

"The dogs are really, really good," said Christina Romagosa, a biologist at Auburn.

She said in a test of python detection in south Florida, the dogs could cover a search area 2.5 times faster than a person.

"People can only see that the snake is there if they can see the snake. The dogs can smell the snake even if it's not visually apparent to us," she said.

Todd Steury, an Auburn conservation biologist and co-founder of the project, said many of the EcoDogs were found temperamentally unsuitable for indoor explosives work but thrive outdoors searching for ecological targets.

Steury estimated training a new dog to detect a scent takes six to 10 weeks. Training for each additional scent takes "about 10 minutes. You can do it by accident if you're not careful," he said, by inadvertently rewarding the dog for something you weren't looking for, which then becomes part of the dog's repertoire.

Two black Labrador retrievers from EcoDogs, Ivy and Jake, went on assignment in 2010 to demonstrate to the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers their potential usefulness in battling the python problem in the 2,358-square-mile (6,100-sq-km) Everglades park.

UPSETTING BALANCE

Environmentalists fear the pythons are upsetting the native ecological balance of South Florida. The invasion is generally attributed to both irresponsible pet owners dumping their snakes and 1992's Hurricane Andrew, which destroyed an adjacent exotic snake warehouse.

In controlled experiments, the EcoDogs success rate in finding pythons at the park was 75-92 percent, Romagosa said. The dogs helped researchers trap 19 pythons, including a pregnant snake with 19 eggs, according to an EcoDog report.

Linda Friar, spokeswoman for the Everglades National Park, said the snakes are so thoroughly adapted to the Everglades, and the park is so wild and inaccessible that there is no expectation of eradicating them, even with the dogs' help. The best hope is to prevent the pythons from spreading and be prepared for future invasions of new exotics, she said.

Romagosa said analysis is underway to determine whether the dogs can play a role in a rapid response team and whether funding their role , in a cost-cutting era is possible.

"The dogs would be useful in a scenario where we might not be sure the python has moved on beyond a certain range. The dogs can give us an idea of whether the species is present or not," she said.

Meanwhile, Ivy retired and was adopted, Steury said. Jake switched to a new project assessing the deer population in Alabama, looking for fawns and deer antlers.

Other EcoDogs are rooting out a tree fungus damaging forests in the state, and locating various skunk, bear and other animal populations based on their scat, or droppings.

"Pretty much a dog can be trained to find anything," Romagosa said.

SMART DOGS NOT THE BEST HUNTERS

Three years of working with the dogs disproved a common misconception that a smart dog is best, added Steury.

"The worst dog is a really smart but kinda lazy dog. Because that dog is always trying to figure out how he can cheat. Once you reward him for cheating, he's done. He'll never work again. The best dogs are the ones that are kind of dumb but just work really hard. We can train those dogs to work all day long and they're the best detection dogs," Steury said.

And the dogs enjoy the work so much that ones like Kasey, who searches for weasel, bobcat and gray fox scat, eventually lose interest in the reward, he said.

"She finds a scat, you'll give her the ball, she plays with it for a really short time, then she's back to the search. She likes the search," Steury said.
 
Dude. WTF? Haha. I posted on your other thread about lizards before reading this one - not that I am after cudos, but why didn't someone think of using dogs years ago? It seems logical. (My other post mused about whether dogs could be used in airports to sniff out smuggled wildlife and bushmeat.)
 
It amazes me that despite the common knowledge that human activitiy can wipe out populations of almost all kind of animals to the point of global extinction, the common reaction to an introduced species damaging an ecosystem is "we can`t eradict them". How do you know that without seriously trying?! When the whole population of the tasmanian tiger could be hunted to extinction in his whole remote, partly inacessible forest habitat I have a hard time believing nothing can be done against the pythons in the Everglades. It seems the most damage is done by the large adults, and I guess it would help by keeping their numbers down. Which would also reduce their breeding sucess.
 
Dude. WTF? Haha. I posted on your other thread about lizards before reading this one - not that I am after cudos, but why didn't someone think of using dogs years ago? It seems logical. (My other post mused about whether dogs could be used in airports to sniff out smuggled wildlife and bushmeat.)
I read your post in the other thread first, and assumed you'd been reading this thread beforehand!

Did you mean kudos, or kudus? :p I'd prefer kudus myself :D

I guess dogs are a good idea. I don't know how well they would work against the anacondas though? (Burmese pythons are predominantly terrestrial, anacondas predominantly aquatic). Anything is worth trying though.
 
Did you mean kudos, or kudus? :p I'd prefer kudus myself :D

Haha. There is a website in Australia called 'Cudo' - basically a 'deal a day' business that emails you daily with deals for 50% of a restaurant etc, kind of like Groupon in America. Yes, I did mean 'kudos', but this new word has been tripping me up recently. :D

Yassa, yeah, I hear you. Isn't there a show on TV that deals with hunting pythons in the Everglades? Google says it is called "Python Hunters". Anyway, maybe there should be a bounty for each python killed over x ft long say. Yeehaw!
 
but why didn't someone think of using dogs years ago? It seems logical.

The Florida Wildlife Service already has dogs that do this, but only one or two. I read about them some years ago. This article was either focussing on a new crop of dogs, or the facility was training them for the first time.

:p

Hix
 
The same thing is happen in Australia (but in a smaller scale) with corn snakes. There is a substantially large corn snake population on the outskirts of Sydney as well as in Victoria (and maybe Queensland?).
 
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