Ragunan Zoo Ragunan Zoo

[Fargusno]

After a visit by the governor of Jakarta, Pramono Anung, an "Night Zoo" system has been proposed by the governor more as a way to gave "more flexible time for people throughout the day" and as a way to persuade Jakartans to visit Ragunan more (As Taman Safari Bogor has been the Jakarta citizens choice of zoo visit). Other ideas he proposed include:

• Higher ticker price, with each prices being different for local Jakartans, non-Jakartan Indonesians, and foreign visitors.
• Bus ride across the zoo to ease touring the entire zoo, similar to the Vice Governor's idea of a cable car.

He interestingly revealed that he had sent his pet white Bengal-Siberian tiger hybrid (Pretty much all "Bengal" tigers in Indonesia are) named Raja to Ragunan, after being insisted and given by another government official, stating that he's afraid having to keep a tiger for his own.

Not much regarding the collection is given, aside having "parking issues" being the vocal point of his visit. Though he interestingly stated that a "good zoo is one of the indicator of how developed the city is".

• Pramono Punya Harimau di Ragunan: Kalau Bukan Gubernur Bingung Taruh di Mana
• Rencana Pramono Anung untuk Ragunan: Revitalisasi, Wisata Malam, HTM Naik
• Pramono Anung on Instagram: "Sebagai salah satu ikon Jakarta, Ragunan akan terus dibenahi. Kesejahteraan satwa menjadi prioritas. Disusul dengan pembenahan fasilitas dan peningkatan pengelolaan. InsyaAllah Ragunan yang nyaman, tertata, dengan jam buka yang lebih lama, bisa membawa manfaat yang lebih banyak untuk warga."

If they want to make Ragunan's ticket expensive, at least LPZ or Batu level of expensive, not TSI level of expensive (TSI's insanely expensive price is also the reason why I haven't been to TSI again for a very long time, but understandable since they have pandas)

 

[Rizz Carlton]

If they want to make Ragunan's ticket expensive, at least LPZ or Batu level of expensive, not TSI level of expensive (TSI's insanely expensive price is also the reason why I haven't been to TSI again for a very long time, but understandable since they have pandas)

Jakarta Aquarium's ticket is also rather expensive in the hundred of thousands, and they don't have a panda

The Jakarta governor clearly stated that he want Ragunan to be more accesible without sacrificing the welfare and the general fund of the zoo, so between Rp. 50,000 - Rp. 75,000 seems to be a few options, as these are the price range of other decent city zoos like Gembira Loka.

 

[Fargusno]

Jakarta Aquarium's ticket is also rather expensive in the hundred of thousands, and they don't have a panda

The Jakarta governor clearly stated that he want Ragunan to be more accesible without sacrificing the welfare and the general fund of the zoo, so between Rp. 50,000 - Rp. 75,000 seems to be a few options, as these are the price range of other decent city zoos like Gembira Loka.

Those levels of "expensive" are still welcomed

 

[honeybadger]

After a visit by the governor of Jakarta, Pramono Anung, an "Night Zoo" system has been proposed by the governor more as a way to gave "more flexible time for people throughout the day" and as a way to persuade Jakartans to visit Ragunan more (As Taman Safari Bogor has been the Jakarta citizens choice of zoo visit). Other ideas he proposed include:

• Higher ticker price, with each prices being different for local Jakartans, non-Jakartan Indonesians, and foreign visitors.
• Bus ride across the zoo to ease touring the entire zoo, similar to the Vice Governor's idea of a cable car.

He interestingly revealed that he had sent his pet white Bengal-Siberian tiger hybrid (Pretty much all "Bengal" tigers in Indonesia are) named Raja to Ragunan, after being insisted and given by another government official, stating that he's afraid having to keep a tiger for his own.

Not much regarding the collection is given, aside having "parking issues" being the vocal point of his visit. Though he interestingly stated that a "good zoo is one of the indicator of how developed the city is".

• Pramono Punya Harimau di Ragunan: Kalau Bukan Gubernur Bingung Taruh di Mana
• Rencana Pramono Anung untuk Ragunan: Revitalisasi, Wisata Malam, HTM Naik
• Pramono Anung on Instagram: "Sebagai salah satu ikon Jakarta, Ragunan akan terus dibenahi. Kesejahteraan satwa menjadi prioritas. Disusul dengan pembenahan fasilitas dan peningkatan pengelolaan. InsyaAllah Ragunan yang nyaman, tertata, dengan jam buka yang lebih lama, bisa membawa manfaat yang lebih banyak untuk warga."

Higher ticket price makes sense as the current admission price is unsustainably low. Another quick (but perhaps controversial) solution : Restructure some parts of the zoo to become free, public green spaces.

Combined with the increased admission, it will still allow the general public to access free/affordable green spaces, while creating a more financially-sustainable source of income and reducing the amount of visitors. I don't see how the zoo can cater to high number of visitors without significant investments in both infrastructure and manpower.

 

[Fargusno]

After a visit by the governor of Jakarta, Pramono Anung, an "Night Zoo" system has been proposed by the governor more as a way to gave "more flexible time for people throughout the day" and as a way to persuade Jakartans to visit Ragunan more (As Taman Safari Bogor has been the Jakarta citizens choice of zoo visit). Other ideas he proposed include:

• Higher ticker price, with each prices being different for local Jakartans, non-Jakartan Indonesians, and foreign visitors.
• Bus ride across the zoo to ease touring the entire zoo, similar to the Vice Governor's idea of a cable car.

He interestingly revealed that he had sent his pet white Bengal-Siberian tiger hybrid (Pretty much all "Bengal" tigers in Indonesia are) named Raja to Ragunan, after being insisted and given by another government official, stating that he's afraid having to keep a tiger for his own.

Not much regarding the collection is given, aside having "parking issues" being the vocal point of his visit. Though he interestingly stated that a "good zoo is one of the indicator of how developed the city is".

• Pramono Punya Harimau di Ragunan: Kalau Bukan Gubernur Bingung Taruh di Mana
• Rencana Pramono Anung untuk Ragunan: Revitalisasi, Wisata Malam, HTM Naik
• Pramono Anung on Instagram: "Sebagai salah satu ikon Jakarta, Ragunan akan terus dibenahi. Kesejahteraan satwa menjadi prioritas. Disusul dengan pembenahan fasilitas dan peningkatan pengelolaan. InsyaAllah Ragunan yang nyaman, tertata, dengan jam buka yang lebih lama, bisa membawa manfaat yang lebih banyak untuk warga."

Speaking of the bus ride part, the electric golf cars like in TMII would work well for Ragunan

 

[Mossman Joe]

Another quick (but perhaps controversial) solution : Restructure some parts of the zoo to become free, public green spaces.

I've actually thought this would be a good idea as well, seeing as the area is a popular walking/jogging spot and picnic area. It would satisfy the need for a modern zoo and the city's need for an accessible green space

 

[Rizz Carlton]

Higher ticket price makes sense as the current admission price is unsustainably low. Another quick (but perhaps controversial) solution : Restructure some parts of the zoo to become free, public green spaces.

Combined with the increased admission, it will still allow the general public to access free/affordable green spaces, while creating a more financially-sustainable source of income and reducing the amount of visitors. I don't see how the zoo can cater to high number of visitors without significant investments in both infrastructure and manpower.

My only fear of this prospect is that these free spaces could potentialy taking over the zoo ground more, essentialy "shrinking" the zoo's size. Even today much of the zoo's space has been either empty or used for jogging space, when there's animals that has been living in awfully cramp spaces for years.

Unlike in Europe where interest on both conservation and welfare are high, Indonesian developers and stakeholders doesn't really took the "zoo aspect" at the forefront and more focused on getting the investment back as quick and as cheap as possible, resulting in dissapointing outcomes like Solo Safari in Central Java. This idea is, like you said, controversial, but still something that I fear if mismanaged or just continuing the classic Indonesian formula on investing more on the themed park (Taking Solo Safari as an example, again).

 

[Fargusno]

My only fear of this prospect is that these free spaces could potentialy taking over the zoo ground more, essentialy "shrinking" the zoo's size. Even today much of the zoo's space has been either empty or used for jogging space, when there's animals that has been living in awfully cramp spaces for years.

Unlike in Europe where interest on both conservation and welfare are high, Indonesian developers and stakeholders doesn't really took the "zoo aspect" at the forefront and more focused on getting the investment back as quick and as cheap as possible, resulting in dissapointing outcomes like Solo Safari in Central Java. This idea is, like you said, controversial, but still something that I fear if mismanaged or just continuing the classic Indonesian formula on investing more on the themed park (Taking Solo Safari as an example, again).

Solo Safari is a disappointment IMO. The collection is pretty small and probably the worst TSI park ever.

 

[Rizz Carlton]

Solo Safari is a disappointment IMO. The collection is pretty small and probably the worst TSI park ever.

Safari Beach Jateng over there quitely cheering over this reply (They rise slightly to the second worse position)

 

[honeybadger]

My only fear of this prospect is that these free spaces could potentialy taking over the zoo ground more, essentialy "shrinking" the zoo's size. Even today much of the zoo's space has been either empty or used for jogging space, when there's animals that has been living in awfully cramp spaces for years.

Unlike in Europe where interest on both conservation and welfare are high, Indonesian developers and stakeholders doesn't really took the "zoo aspect" at the forefront and more focused on getting the investment back as quick and as cheap as possible, resulting in dissapointing outcomes like Solo Safari in Central Java. This idea is, like you said, controversial, but still something that I fear if mismanaged or just continuing the classic Indonesian formula on investing more on the themed park (Taking Solo Safari as an example, again).

I can understand the concerns on the issue of potential mismanagement. However, what I had actually in mind with that free, green space proposal will effectively shrink the zoo grounds and eventually shifting the management of that public park to the municipal office. That's the main reason why I said it's going to be controversial. I'm suggesting this as someone who hasn't been to Ragunan for >15 years, so I'm not too sure how feasible it will be.

Currently Ragunan is trying to be (#1) a proper zoological park with conservation efforts, educational value, and good animal welfare; and (#2) a recreational facility that is accessible to the public. Jakarta is also lacking a green space and Ragunan somewhat serves that as well.

I think we can agree that the revitalization is needed for Ragunan to achieve (#1), but if that also entails an increase of admission price, it will be a major loss to those who utilize the zoo as an affordable recreational space. Thus my proposal of letting go some parts of the zoo so that there are still some public green space; allaying the potential protests; and perhaps reduce the revitalization budget as well since the size will be decreased.

 

[Rizz Carlton]

allaying the potential protests

I actually agree with that idea, but I don't get this point.

I don't get how people would be protesting the increasing ticket price for Ragunan, I've seen more people supporting that idea, and local tourists or even specifically common locals Jakartans aren't always thinking that zoos are their source of entertainment as average Jakartans don't usually visit open places for said entertainment, there's tons of site in Jakarta anyway (I always recommend Kota Tua for anyone visiting ). The counterpoint is that Taman Safari Bogor, just a hour from Jakarta with car if traffics aren't hell, is increadibly popular for Jakartans despite having a hundred times higher prices with the lowest price for domestic tourists above 6yo being at $14,23 (Rp. 230,000).

Richer families (Main market for zoos and animal interactions) tend to go to another smaller place anyway with a guaranteed petting and feeding experience, from observations these group of visitors are not usuals in Ragunan. And protest from Indonesian zoos-going community? Unlike the Germans, there's only like 7 of us or something, and they usually go to even pricier places to see their hyperfixations

 

[Fargusno]

Jagat Satwa has started visiting Ragunan Zoo, hopefully this is a sign of them eyeing potential talks on the Ragunan revitalization, and not some nothingburger with a side of nothing fries

 

[Rizz Carlton]

not some nothingburger with a side of nothing fries

This seems to be the likely case, sadly. They're currently on a very early planning phase, and the revitalization aren't even that publicly aknowledged by zoo officials.

One thing everyone should know about Indonesian meetings (Or some other ASEAN states) is that there are high chances that "formal meetings" are just what that caption stated, "shilat ar-rahmi" (Building/strengthening relationship), and that activity in Indonesia tend to be mostly informal between already established close partners, as Ragunan and TMII do before. I do hope to see TMII and Ragunan exchanging knowledges on conservation and wildlife care (Zoos cooperations aren't just sending animals left and right )

 

[Fargusno]

This seems to be the likely case, sadly. They're currently on a very early planning phase, and the revitalization aren't even that publicly aknowledged by zoo officials.

One thing everyone should know about Indonesian meetings (Or some other ASEAN states) is that there are high chances that "formal meetings" are just what that caption stated, "shilat ar-rahmi" (Building/strengthening relationship), and that activity in Indonesia tend to be mostly informal between already established close partners, as Ragunan and TMII do before. I do hope to see TMII and Ragunan exchanging knowledges on conservation and wildlife care (Zoos cooperations aren't just sending animals left and right )

Tartar sauce! I was expecting a potential cooperation with the current Ragunan managers! Jagat Satwa has a lot of cool animals that are still behind the scenes like echidna, ocelot, kinkajou and Chinese alligator

 

[honeybadger]

I actually agree with that idea, but I don't get this point.

I don't get how people would be protesting the increasing ticket price for Ragunan, I've seen more people supporting that idea, and local tourists or even specifically common locals Jakartans aren't always thinking that zoos are their source of entertainment as average Jakartans don't usually visit open places for said entertainment, there's tons of site in Jakarta anyway (I always recommend Kota Tua for anyone visiting ). The counterpoint is that Taman Safari Bogor, just a hour from Jakarta with car if traffics aren't hell, is increadibly popular for Jakartans despite having a hundred times higher prices with the lowest price for domestic tourists above 6yo being at $14,23 (Rp. 230,000).

Richer families (Main market for zoos and animal interactions) tend to go to another smaller place anyway with a guaranteed petting and feeding experience, from observations these group of visitors are not usuals in Ragunan. And protest from Indonesian zoos-going community? Unlike the Germans, there's only like 7 of us or something, and they usually go to even pricier places to see their hyperfixations

I’m not implying there will be physical protests but there might disgruntled (local) tourists and this is just a preemptive measure.

Based on the news reports, Ragunan seems to have a high attendance rate especially during major public holidays. A few months ago, I discussed this with a friend from Jakarta, comparing the similar high attendance of Ancol/Dufan which charges a much higher admission price. When I brought up Ragunan’s missed opportunity to increase its price, she pointed out that the demographics of the visitors between these 2 recreational facilities are different. This led me to think that people who attend Ragunan may come from a different socioeconomic background as compared to those who are willing to go to TSI, for example. That’s why I feel it’s unfair to rob people a recreational space that is currently very affordable.

That said, I personally don’t think it’s necessary to make a zoo affordable to the public, especially if the institution is struggling with the standard of care and conservation efforts. I would even argue that it’s counterproductive to show substandard animal facilities to the public as they may get the wrong idea: you can take care of animals with minimal effort. The tricky issue with Ragunan is the lack of afforrdable recreational facilities in Jakarta. That’s why it’s still the city government’s responsibility to find/create alternative places if they want to increase the price. I have to admit that without proper admission data and attendance surveys, these are hypotheticals and I may be very wrong on this.

 

[Fargusno]

A poll I found in Kumparan today. It seems many people doesn't like Ragunan Zoo to open until night, or follow Singapore's Night Safari model. Is it because of the animal's visibility? Or its activity? All I know that TSI parks (I think only Cisarua and Prigen does this, Bali IDK probably yes) open until night (where it rebrands itself to Safari Malam for the day). Should Ragunan Zoo open until night?

 

[Rizz Carlton]

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A poll I found in Kumparan today. It seems many people doesn't like Ragunan Zoo to open until night, or follow Singapore's Night Safari model. Is it because of the animal's visibility? Or its activity? All I know that TSI parks (I think only Cisarua and Prigen does this, Bali IDK probably yes) open until night (where it rebrands itself to Safari Malam for the day). Should Ragunan Zoo open until night?

Judging by remarks by the governor, who proposed this idea, it seems that they'll be act more as a regular park at night. Mr. Pramono has made some initiatives to make more "24 hours public places", so this is likely part of that.

It's not really a wide margin between the two opinion in this poll. Though, there might be concern of the animals well-being, especially the larger mammals, of being put on-show 24/7. Or, sometimes, perhaps its just the park that opened, but most of the animals will be put off-display.

For me personally, I don't really mind 24/7 night zoo as long as the animals can have their time in privacy.