Correct. I put the names and date of birth og each animal in the Beauval's thread a few months ago.
They are not on loan for sure.
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Your French friends are right !
The doucs are there and it is not a loan. Maybe if that fails they will be returned but normally they are made to stay.
No doubt to create a European population, but other parks will therefore be needed: which are the most likely?
I was thinking of Pairi Daiza in particular ...
I made an error : not the names but the sex !
Cologne wants to keep them too, and Chebly already keeps them. Pairi Daiza is indeed a realistic candidate, wether a decent candidate is another question but surely a realistic one.
I’m rather sure that Leipzig’s plans to exhibit billies fell through, as they already had plushies in the gift shop in 2018, which would suggest that they were planned to arrive soon after, but that just never came
According to EAZA's 2019 annual TAG report, the bilbies are still being discussed.
Does Cologne have plans for this or is it just an ambition ?
Pairi Daiza had started negotiations for the Chinese golden monkeys so in my opinion they are probably negotiating for the doucs.
Are there more unexpected parks on the list of candidates?
Mentioned in their master plan if I recall correctly.
If the rumours about Pairi and doucs are true, and they are also getting proboscis monkeys (a rumour I heard some years ago) as well as golden snub-nosed monkeys (widely known they’ve begun negotiations for these), then I am incredibly excited for what is to come....
Onychorhynchus coronatus
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Golden snub nosed monkeys ? Seriously ?!
Yes. Granted this was part of a wider planned import (Beauval, Prague and possibly Copenhagen and Ouwehands I think) and out of those names the only ones I know for sure are still interested are Beauval and Pairi Daiza...but we’ll have to see.
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It would be terrific to see this species there, I very much hope that this plan works out.
I don't know if Pairi would really pursue after Red-shanked doucs. I don't think a douc would fit in any of the themes PD has unless the Cambron Abbey area (which doesn't has a geographic theme) is predominantly empty after their South American stock get transferred to the Sanctuary area.
That aside is there any plans to breed plains viscachas?
That aside is there any plans to breed plains viscachas?
By 2019 tag report if you mean this then I cant find bilbies mentioned
.https://www.eaza.net/assets/Uploads/Annual-report/TAG-reports-2019-webLR.pdf
My bad, it was the 2018 one...
Which is no coincidence given those are the zoos that have either housed or wanted to house pandas and thus had contacts with the Chinese government...
I’m really puzzles me as to where Beauval plans to house them if they go through with it. They have just built the equatorial dome, said they would only renovate aviaries for the next two years and the clear place in the zoo where they might go (the Chinese area with takins, pandas, red pandas, snow leopards etc.) doesn’t really have any unused space. So I personally doubt Beauval really intends on getting them.
Plus with the recent arrival of the douce they have a lot on their plates in terms of picky primates. While success with focus may point to more ambitious projects, I think it would serve them well to develop quality exhibits gradually and prove themselves with this kind of primate before launching into any deals with proboscis or snub nosed monkeys.
I wasn’t aware of beauval saying they were going to get proboscis monkeys...?
I think Pairi Daiza could probably acquire all three with little issue, it’s just about where they put them in the zoo...
Well the logical place for the snub nosed monkeys would be near the pandas and takins, but I'm not sure who owns the land behind that massive temple (or perhaps this is the land they intend to use for the greenhouse?).
Beauval put Proboscis monkeys on their masterplan a few years back and offered to take a group of them from an Asian zoo, who declined.
I hope not actually, there are more interesting species of Asian monkeys for European zoos to keep. Golden snub-nosed monkeys are adequately represented in Chinese zoos I believe, unlike many South-East Asian that are either not/nearly not represented or at much less safe locations.
The land behind the temple I think belongs to the zoo as well, but they're not planning on building on it as it's too close to a train track so would require additional paperwork/approval. The greenhouse will end up where the current car park is.
The logical place for any langurs is either in the Middle Garden (which is the place you mention has pandas and takins), or up in the Temple of Ani (near the orangutans and elephants).
I do agree with @Jarne - but I would argue that if any zoo can afford to keep more than five species of langur nowadays, it's Pairi. My hope is that in addition to sticking with the Francois's langurs they already have, and getting the three species mentioned above, that they also get either Javan or dusky langurs to keep the langurs already in Europe going.