Realistic New Caledonian Zoo Exhibit

One can never be sure enough :)
One can also not get worked up about a joke. And yes, it was a joke - hence the ;)

I actually know people who have kept Laticauda species. One of the major husbandry challenges was constantly getting the right prey fish alternatives. Nevertheless, I do think most zoo visitors would rather be interested in a venomous sea snake than a bunch of small geckos; but maybe that’s just the venomous snake vs. the gecko fan talking.;)

It is the zoo's responsibility to provide enough information about the uniqueness of those creatures.
Oh, is it? ;)
 
I actually know people who have kept Laticauda species. One of the major husbandry challenges was constantly getting the right prey fish alternatives. Nevertheless, I do think most zoo visitors would rather be interested in a venomous sea snake than a bunch of small geckos; but maybe that’s just the venomous snake vs. the gecko fan talking.;)
I'm also familiar with the husbandry of Laticauda species and I was there when the genus was still present in Europe both publicly and privately. Those were, however, species with a big range like L. colubrina and laticaudata. The New Caledonian one is endemic to the tropical reefs surrounding these particular islands. That makes it a lot different.

Besides that, I wasn't really getting worked up about a joke, and neither do I have a gecko preference over snakes. After all, I have seen 3 different Laticauda species in captivity now and I loved every single encounter. What does bother me is how many smaller animals are discriminated against and therefore lost in captivity simply because the public (and apparently zoo fans in this chat) likes colourful, cute & fast things more. I believe in a world where endangered and misunderstood creatures should get just as much attention. Zoos play a big role in conservation and educating their visitors that every species is unique in its own way. It's actually the soul purpose of a public facility to teach the people and to focus on breeding species in need.
 
I'm also familiar with the husbandry of Laticauda species and I was there when the genus was still present in Europe both publicly and privately. Those were, however, species with a big range like L. colubrina and laticaudata. The New Caledonian one is endemic to the tropical reefs surrounding these particular islands. That makes it a lot different.

Besides that, I wasn't really getting worked up about a joke, and neither do I have a gecko preference over snakes. After all, I have seen 3 different Laticauda species in captivity now and I loved every single encounter. What does bother me is how many smaller animals are discriminated against and therefore lost in captivity simply because the public (and apparently zoo fans in this chat) likes colourful, cute & fast things more. I believe in a world where endangered and misunderstood creatures should get just as much attention. Zoos play a big role in conservation and educating their visitors that every species is unique in its own way. It's actually the soul purpose of a public facility to teach the people and to focus on breeding species in need.
Good for you; let's see what you'll say about the (at least for European zoos) exclusive elapid I'm about to get for my zoo tomorrow...;)
The venomous snake vs. gecko part was a joke as well; hence the ;)
As for the rest of your lecture: you're preaching to the converted; William Conway's bullfrog story, Hediger's four tasks of a modern zoo etc. etc. However, whether most zoos live up to your ideal is a different matter, though, and not influenced by any belief.
Good luck with your part in supporting the zoological plain janes. ;)
 
Good for you; let's see what you'll say about the (at least for European zoos) exclusive elapid I'm about to get for my zoo tomorrow...;)
This is an actual Elapidae in an actual zoo? Loads of joking on your part of this conversation so it definitely got me confused :)

zoological plain janes
What does that mean if you don't mind me asking?
 
An actual elapid in an actual zoo.
How to found a zoo - WdG Greifswald and WdG Salzburg [Welt der Gifte Greifswald (Closed)]

What do you think my phrase might mean, in regard to the "endangered and misunderstood creatures"?
So you are the owner of Welt der Gifte? Nice to meet you. I see that we have been Facebook friends for a long time as well. I'm a big supporter of the pet trade and the cooperation between zoos and private facilities. You guys are doing a lovely job.

I had never heard of the saying 'plain Jane'. I figured out what it means. I can only say this: every group of animals needs his support. I guess I'll be defending the greyish little things most people don't like then :) I do hope you recognize that the looks of a species should not define its level of protection, captive breeding and education.

Either way, I suggest we go back to the original topic. I feel like we (perhaps mostly me) have moved away from a 'New Caledonian Zoo Exhibit' for too long. So here's the last species I could suggest for this natural range: Pacific tree boas (Candoia bibroni).
 
Why no zoo keeps Kagu in open-air exhibit, even if thy are flightless? Fear of predation may not be so big, since rare ducks and ibises of similar size or smaller can be kept flightless.

By the way, New Caledonia is politically a part of France. I wonder if this can make easier to import some endemic rare animals - e.g. flying foxes to Europe.
 
Why no zoo keeps Kagu in open-air exhibit, even if thy are flightless?
You might have heard about that tiny, insignificant thing called Avian influenca - which has become a rather bothersome annual affair for many zoos. And prompts them to install roofed aviaries. Furthermore, given the rarity of kagus, otherwisely preventable predation by native carnivores would be a rather shameful affair.

As for your suggestion: that would require a lot of vitamin C - which is the reason why most of the European kagu population can be traced back to one influential French surgeon.
 
You might have heard about that tiny, insignificant thing called Avian influenca - which has become a rather bothersome annual affair for many zoos. And prompts them to install roofed aviaries. Furthermore, given the rarity of kagus, otherwisely preventable predation by native carnivores would be a rather shameful affair.

As for your suggestion: that would require a lot of vitamin C - which is the reason why most of the European kagu population can be traced back to one influential French surgeon.
Of course Kagus would be good preys for foxes, crows, stoats, rats or straying cats and dogs.
In their native island there have been high concerns with the predation by dogs, even if the latter are in small numbers.
 
So beautiful, small & endangered geckos that can become just as popular as other reptiles with enough education are not accepted, but the New Caledonian sea krait is?
I have seen several gecko exhibitions like the one in Plzen zoo that are quite popular with the public, as well as the anole collection at California Science Center. It is the zoo's responsibility to provide enough information about the uniqueness of those creatures. Laticauda saintgironsi on the other hand is completely absent from captivity, has shown to be very difficult to keep alive, requires an expensive and possibly unrealistic diet and is illegal to import.
Of course, it is your own speculative exhibit. But I recommend a healthy focus on education and conservation when you build a plan for small islands with so many rare endemics. The all-time focus on big or colourful animals is the worst thing a zoo could do.

The wandering whistling duck (Dendrocygna arcuata) also lives in New Caledonia and is a fine species for a walkthrough enclosure. Same goes for the zebra dove (Geopelia striata). This pigeon is not native to New Caledonia so you could inform visitors about invasive species.

The purple vampire crab (Geograpsus grayi) is also found in this range.
Sorry for giving a disagreeing perspective. I am a great zoo fan, I love every single species I have the opportunity to come across. But even I, every time I visit Berlin Zoo (the one with the most species), struggle to see every species of their +1k collection. This is because the zoo is only open for 8 hours in one day, some species in aquariums or terrariums are not found, and I also have to eat and rest during the visit. My solution for that is to return the next day or the next year, but 99.9% of zoo visitors do not do that. Not every zoo visitor is a taxonomy/biodiversity nerd like me, and I recognise that.
Now imagine a family with kids (the most typical zoo visitor) who need to constantly stop to eat, drink, to toilet, play in the playground, etc; with exhausted parents that spent the whole day running following their kids, and kids that have no more than 10min attention span. I really do not think the average visitor has enough capacity or interest to look at every single species, every single educational board, and get every single story. Is it worth having those species and education? Of course, it is, but we must be realistic. By the end of the day, zoos are businesses and their ticket revenue (which is also spent on conservation and education) does not rely on a difference in a room with 10 geckos or 50 geckos. Visitors will attend in equal numbers either way, but the logistics of keeping 50 terrariums are much higher than keeping 10 (energy, food, labour, staff). Zoos have to be cost-effective. It's not the 0.01% of zoo nerds (me included) that cover the operational costs of a zoo. Is the 99.9% of people that leave the permisses happy if they have seen some nice animals and got some know something new about wildlife. Hence the post being called "realistic".

And the vision that 21st-century conservation should be focused on single-species conservation is pretty much outdated. Nowadays protecting an entire ecosystem is proven to safeguard more biodiversity than species-focused conservation. Using the most popular species as flag or umbrella species is the best strategy to capture the public's attention. People donate to protect the tigers and their habitat, and by protecting tiger habitat every species from the little frog to the big elephant that lives there gets protected. And you do not need to exhibit a frog or an elephant to explain to the visitor that the tiger's habitat has tremendous biodiversity, which includes frogs and elephants.
In recent zoo visits to newly refurbished exhibitions (like the Alfred Brehm House in Berlin Tierpark), I have even seen more educational material dedicated to environmental problems (deforestation, climate change, pet trade, invasive species, pollution, etc) and solutions for people to take home (recycling, conscious purchasing, energy saving, meat/fish-consumption, etc) than material about the species being exhibited. In my opinion, I prefer a zoo visitor that leaves the park with a good picture of the global environmental/biodiversity challenges and exact solutions to tackle them than leaving the park as a gecko nerd.
Unfortunately to say, but zoos are made for the masses, not for the zoo fans/nerds.
 
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