Referendum for animals

Valentin

Valentin

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The French journalist Hugo Clément, already very committed to animal protection, as well as many personalities and associations have just launched a petition aimed ultimately at the organization of a referendum.

Referendum to vote for or against 6 measures:

- Leaving intensive farming
- Prohibition of cage breeding
- End of shows with wild animals
- Ban on fur farming
- Abolition of hunting with hounds, digging up and "traditional" hunts like the trapping of the birds in the glue
- Prohibition of animal testing when there is an alternative method

Référendum pour les Animaux

This petition is obviously addressed to the French of the forum but everyone can obviously watch the measurements !
 
Valentin said:
The French journalist Hugo Clément, already very committed to animal protection, as well as many personalities and associations have just launched a petition aimed ultimately at the organization of a referendum.

Referendum to vote for or against 6 measures:

- Leaving intensive farming
- Prohibition of cage breeding
- End of shows with wild animals
- Ban on fur farming
- Abolition of hunting with hounds, digging up and "traditional" hunts like the trapping of the birds in the glue
- Prohibition of animal testing when there is an alternative method

Référendum pour les Animaux

This petition is obviously addressed to the French of the forum but everyone can obviously watch the measurements !
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Not much for "animal protection" here - this man is obviously an animal rights activist. Here are my thoughts on each:

"Leaving intensive farming"
What does that even mean? If it means that we have to change the way we farm in order to make it more environmentally friendly, I couldn't agree more. If we means to not farm animals at all (I assume so) that is ridiculous.

"Prohibition of cage breeding:
Not sure what this means. Is this guy suggesting that there should be no captive breeding of animals? If so, this would cause many endangered animals to go extinct, and collapse our agriculture industry, among other things.

"End of shows with wild animals"
I'm assuming this is referring to zoos? I'm not even going to make an argument against that here, as I would just be repeating what others have said many times.

"Ban on fur farming"
As long as the animals are well cared for it is no different than farming for meat.

"Abolition of hunting with hounds, digging up and "traditional" hunts like the trapping of the birds in the glue"
Hunting, if done sustainably, can help the environment more than it hurt, by limiting populations of overabundant species and raising money for conservation. As long as these things are done sustainably as well, there is no problem with them.

"Prohibition of animal testing when there is an alternative method"
This is a controversial topic that I don't really have an opinion on.
 
Unfortunately, it looks like there is a worldwide epidemics of fake activism. Proposals superficially well-meaning but missing the point or impossible in practice.

Valentin said:
- Leaving intensive farming
- Prohibition of cage breeding
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Basically, meat and eggs would become too expensive to many French families. Was he serious or another clickbait? Would it ever win a referendum?

Valentin said:
- Prohibition of animal testing when there is an alternative method
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Basically it has been the law for years already. Caveat: I am not certain that he means what he has written, or that he himself knows what he means.
 
birdsandbats said:
Not much for "animal protection" here - this man is obviously an animal rights activist. Here are my thoughts on each:

"Leaving intensive farming"
What does that even mean?

"Prohibition of cage breeding:
Not sure what this means. .

"End of shows with wild animals"
I'm assuming this is referring to zoos?

"Ban on fur farming"
As long as the animals are well cared for it is no different than farming for meat.

"Abolition of hunting with hounds, digging up and "traditional" hunts like the trapping of the birds in the glue"
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Perhaps look at the link provided for answers
 
Zooplantman said:
Indeed. So how can one question a posted position they can't read?
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Fair, but I'm sure that bnb was going off the fact that Valentin had posted the basics of the referendum in the opening post. I wouldnt know if bnb was referring to anything in the article because, well, I don't know French :P.
 
Why attack a straw "animal rights activist" if you don't know that's what he is?
There are so many actual idiots ripe for a grilling!
An example of Covid pent up aggravation? :confused:
 
birdsandbats said:
Not much for "animal protection" here - this man is obviously an animal rights activist. Here are my thoughts on each:

"Leaving intensive farming"
What does that even mean? If it means that we have to change the way we farm in order to make it more environmentally friendly, I couldn't agree more. If we means to not farm animals at all (I assume so) that is ridiculous.

"Prohibition of cage breeding:
Not sure what this means. Is this guy suggesting that there should be no captive breeding of animals? If so, this would cause many endangered animals to go extinct, and collapse our agriculture industry, among other things.

"End of shows with wild animals"
I'm assuming this is referring to zoos? I'm not even going to make an argument against that here, as I would just be repeating what others have said many times.

"Ban on fur farming"
As long as the animals are well cared for it is no different than farming for meat.

"Abolition of hunting with hounds, digging up and "traditional" hunts like the trapping of the birds in the glue"
Hunting, if done sustainably, can help the environment more than it hurt, by limiting populations of overabundant species and raising money for conservation. As long as these things are done sustainably as well, there is no problem with them.

"Prohibition of animal testing when there is an alternative method"
This is a controversial topic that I don't really have an opinion on.
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So there is no other way, in your opinion, to breed animals except intensively. In the United States maybe, in France there are lots of other solutions which I assure you are not necessarily more expensive.

I think it would be necessary to look at the link before. This prohibition only concerns agricultural breeding and in no case captivity.

Compared to furs, I have rarely seen farms where they were "well" cared for. Do we still need animal furs on us in 2020, we need to change our mentality.

For hunting, it was well written TRADITIONAL which means that he knows perfectly that normal hunting has profits. These other forms of hunting are completely obsolete.

The American vision is a priori not at all the same! ...

And to those who say he doesn't know what he wants to go may be on the site before.
The texts and paragraphs of the laws to have been changed have been indicated with extreme rigor .... original for someone who does not know what he wants.
In addition, he has already gathered in one day several parliamentarians and around 70,000 signatures.
All these subjects are extremely debated in France and the citizens make it known via this petition.

PS : there is a translate function on google
 
Intensive breeding is viewed as when animals do not have access to any natural light, very limited mobility and natural soil. So that would be a huge call into question of our current productivist model but a real necessity from animal well being aspect.
It would definetely increase cost of meat and eggs but that does not mean people will stop to have access to it. Hopefully it will decrease animal products consumption and shift towards more natural-friendly produced food.

Actually, I would say that there is measures only as cagebreeding and intensive breeding seems synonym to me, even though I might not understand some nuances.

The more obvious to me is the end of old-style hunting methods, prohibited already in most European countries and that target indifferently common and threatened species.
 
People are already moving more and more towards animal products from farms respectful of animal welfare so I think the logical consequence is the prohibition of all these forms of intensive farming ... given the number of signatories I think I'm not the only one who wants that: 180,000 !

These forms of traditional hunting must stop already because as Therabu says they target all species whether they are protected or not and in addition to the pleasure of practitioners they have no interest in regulating invasive species or very little.
 
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