Bristol Zoo (Closed) Remembering Bristol Zoo Gardens

Thanks for the response, it’s good to have some discussion - as I say, they are rather delusional while I understand their outrage I don’t understand why they have only recently started this campaign. Should they not of done this a few years ago when it was first announced that Bristol Zoo may be closing?

Still, for me personally Bristol Zoo was culturally significant and an integral part of Bristol itself (the former mayor, Ferguson has written about this) - I have family in Bristol and it’s something we all took for granted in a way. The last few years have proven nothing can be a given anymore i guess.

While I don’t think an area like Clifton needs more homes, I do hope that they keep their promise that the Gardens will be kept and that they will be open to the public and then I guess it might not be too bad that it’s closing as that’ll be a small reminder of what it once was - I wonder if they’ll keep things like the bear pole or the monkey house for posterity?

Look as someone whose whole family is from Bristol. My dad grew up in Kingswood, my mum in Bedminster. My nans until their deaths in the early 2000s lived in Bristol. We were not a wealthy family, so every Easter and summer holidays, me and my siblings spent the summer with our nans.
Visits to Cricket St Thomas, Longleat and Bristol Zoo were the norm,

My parents moved back to Somerset when we had left school and I have spent the best part of 40 years going to the Zoo. I have photos and memories etched a long way, and like many others I was emotional at its closure, and went several times during its final year. I was a member last year and for years on and off over the years.

But you have to be realistic, somewhere has to move with the times, and Bristol with its limited site, was never going to be able to keep ABC animals forever, and the more well known family animals would have had to move to Wild Place, to accommodate this. But whether Bristol Zoo would have survived as a place with smaller animals I don't know.

It's well and good a zoo making 200K a year, maybe 400k avg if you factor in the busier years, but massive new exhibits would cost millions, so for the Lions and Gorilla's to have been bought up to standard and renovated, would cost ten years of profits. Then there is no guarantee those figures would have been maintained.
But the two years figures of big losses are also not a true reflection of the business and perhaps the 2022 accounts when they are published will give more of an insight of how the business was doing in the year of closure. Lets not forget, its closure was announced in 2021, so this website/petition, call it what you want had a year to try and gather support to give realistic opposition or support, but they waited until it was already closed, animals were moved and nothing could realistically be done, without causing further delay and a backward step which benefits no one.
Also I visited several times in 2022, and near enough every time except for the last two weeks, it was one man and its dog there. Yes what was there was getting less and less, but aside of Wild Place, the emergence of Noahs Ark, which has better public transport links than Wild Place had already seen what were regular Bristol Zoo visitors going over to Failand for a day out. Yes those last two weeks were busy and incredibly busy on the final couple of days, but the trend had very much been a growing one since re-opening after Covid.
I loved Bristol Zoo, I had many happy memories and days there, but I also appreciate for the area of Bristol to have a truly magnificent zoo, which is up to modern day standards, it can only happen at Wild Place and not in Clifton.

No, Clifton does not need more wealthy housing, you are right and there are loads for sale already, but Bristol Zoo have to raise as much capital as possible, and their plans protects a lot of the buildings and gardens, yet raises a Substancial amount of money. For the West Car Park and the Main Site alone, you are talking 25-35m to buy it based on the plans. Funds which would help build a state of the art facility off the side of the M5, which will attract more visitors. Lets not forget the damage the Clean Air Zone would have also had on the Clifton site. If the decision of free parking and no £9 charge is an option at Wild Place or Noahs Ark, or having to pay minimum £12 extra to visit Bristol Zoo, it is a no brainer as to what audience is going to be attracted.
What would Bristol Zoo have got if selling the site for a Zoo, as a 12acre site. I don't physically know, but when collections twice/three times the size, with their current business and animals are potentially available at around £5m. then I would suggest the sale of Bristol Zoo to remain as a zoo, would not bring anywhere near the funds it would as a development, and say they had an offer of 2-3m for it as a zoo, even empty, even if that was for the main site and they could still sell the West Car Park for housing and generate 5-8m for that alone, I doubt it would even be considered, because it wont scratch the surface of the funding Wild Place will need.

I read an article the other week, that in 2022, Chester Zoo had 143,000 members or thereabouts. People generally paying £87 a year on direct debit. Many of these members were not even local, and several thousand were people from abroad. I personally am a Chester Zoo member and I go at least 2 times a month, so for me it works out at £3.63 a visit, but it is £30 there and back in petrol for me and then there's food and so on. But except for the very local residents, I wonder how many of these members go to Chester more than the 3 times to make it pay. I am also a stupid member, as I have annual membership at Paignton, Edinburgh and Bristol. All these collections that I could have visited on my Chester pass, but I done it to support the zoos, not to benefit on free entry. But Chester's annual members alone brings in close to £12.5m a year! That's without considering extra spending when visiting, and they know they have this funding in every year.
Now Bristol I think like many areas miss a trick. There are around 300,000 people of working age in Bristol, if the Zoo tried to make contact and say if you live in the three areas of Bristol you can get an annual pass at say £20 for unlimited visits, you set a very low bar. Now some people don't even like animals, many are anti zoo, but supporting your local community, even if say 20% of that 300,000 agreed to such offer would generate 1.2m. Most of these people would rarely if ever use the pass, they would see it as helping the community, and maybe you throw in newsletters and stuff online, competitions, all to make it look worth that £20.

But I don't think Bristol really had many annual members. Chester set the bar, but Edinburgh even has around 45,000 paying around £60 a year. I mean I pay £4.84 a month by direct debit, and I rarely go to Edinburgh Zoo! But its £5 a month, £5 I wont even notice when it goes out my bank account.

I do think at a lot of zoos fundraising and marketing teams are very poor, even worse are a lot of their social media teams. Some zoos seem to have great relations with local press. Look at Chester Zoo, a news and updates group which is run by Cheshire Live, has over 10,000 people posting pictures and reading about the zoo on a daily basis and Cheshire Live report on everything the zoo does to help it gain national and international awareness. Yet in some areas, the only time you hear about something, is when something negative happens.

I personally feel that Bristol Zoo was its own undoing, they didn't move with the times, and they didn't endear themselves to the locals and whilst there are 4300 odd signatures on a petition to try and reopen it, and they are only 700 away from it actually having to be put forward, they don't identify any realistic solutions and its more about, I've lost my childhood memories.

I was very lucky before it closed to have 20 minutes of Simon Garrett's time talking about the zoo, its future plans and so on and there was many suggestions about how you could educate people about what Bristol Zoo was.
Whether it be a small museum at the planned new café, or many of the well known artefacts left at the zoo with signage. Perhaps even the odd aviary which volunteers could manage. They could also offer virtual reality tours, so you walk around with a headset on and see what the zoo was before using cgi and videos. These are all plausible ideas which could educate future generations of how one of the worlds oldest zoos got to a stage, where it had to close, to make way for a better future, one that aids conservation and better serves the community and the area. The problem is, if you don't educate people, then they never learn. I feel so much of what the people who have signed/written this website and petition want, could realistically be answered and shown to them, that the heritage of the site is being protected, the memories don't need to vanish and actually what the Zoo wants to create offers way more benefit then trying to save a zoo, which ultimately would have had to change its inventory completely or been closed regardless of the effects of Covid at some point in the future.

It's closure was obviously very sad, and for someone who grew up loving Bristol it saddened me. But I also know it was the correct decision.
 
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Sadly having read a lot of that 80 page document, it’s miles out.
I think they fail to miss the whole concept of Wild Place and don’t understand that a lot of the enclosures at Bristol needed modernising or changing and that all costs a lot of money.

They also made it clear in the current climate they couldn’t operate two zoos and one would have to give.

They also falsely make out animals don’t have collections to go to, but they have. The Fur Seals are Woburn bound I’m reliably told and the lions were set for Drayton Manor but it fell through and are now going to the Big Cat Sanctuary.

A number of the smaller mammals listed have now left, and of the reptilian species and fish and that, some will end up at Wild Place and others are easily found new homes, but there has been no need to move.

They are also wrong in thinking that the zoo will become a building site whilst the Gorillas are there and even try to make out at some stage the Gorillas were not going to go to Wild Place. All again untrue. The West Car park now as far as I’m aware been granted permission and is likely to be sold soon which will allow for the build of the Gorilla and Mangabey exhibits at Wild Place and so those animals can be moved to the collection in 2024.

Plans for the main site aren’t even expected to be heard until late spring, so a buyer is unlikely to be found until the backend of next year, so no building work would likely start until 24/25 at the earliest.

It’s a shame that despite good intentions that those with this petition, couldn’t have met up with those at Bristol Zoo and been educated with the reasons why it had to close and been shown the benefits of the new zoo, and also learned a bit more about conservation and been advised about species moving on and so on.

Bristol never once said all animals would go to Wild Place, this “saving Bristol Zoo” has just tried to use snippets to use it to suit their agenda.

It’s sad these people have spent so much time on something which serves no benefit and will change nothing and are trying to block the zoo from its plans, which can actually cause long term
Conservation issues and hold ups which could prevent the animals moving to larger new exhibits.

They also go down the VIP route without facts and start trying to use this as a primary finance route, without understanding that their fanciful figures are miles from the truth and don’t operate every day and in many aspects a number of those experiences will be needed to be changed significantly to sit in line with expected legislation changes in the future.

Whilst to say the 80 page document does highlight some interesting facts, it is also mainly too agenda written, full of supposition and does not come across as professional at all.

There is no way Bristol Zoo could stay open as a zoo, and even if it were, it would be a zoo without any animals and the ones they wanted the zoo to
keep would need massive modernisation of exhibits which again costs money the zoo doesn’t have.
I mean they used Wikipedia for one of there references as well as saying that some things hadn’t found homes which the zoo already said had moved like the warty pigs, it’s just going to set the zoo back again
 
Look as someone whose whole family is from Bristol. My dad grew up in Kingswood, my mum in Bedminster. My nans until their deaths in the early 2000s lived in Bristol. We were not a wealthy family, so every Easter and summer holidays, me and my siblings spent the summer with our nans.
Visits to Cricket St Thomas, Longleat and Bristol Zoo were the norm,

My parents moved back to Somerset when we had left school and I have spent the best part of 40 years going to the Zoo. I have photos and memories etched a long way, and like many others I was emotional at its closure, and went several times during its final year. I was a member last year and for years on and off over the years.

But you have to be realistic, somewhere has to move with the times, and Bristol with its limited site, was never going to be able to keep ABC animals forever, and the more well known family animals would have had to move to Wild Place, to accommodate this. But whether Bristol Zoo would have survived as a place with smaller animals I don't know.

It's well and good a zoo making 200K a year, maybe 400k avg if you factor in the busier years, but massive new exhibits would cost millions, so for the Lions and Gorilla's to have been bought up to standard and renovated, would cost ten years of profits. Then there is no guarantee those figures would have been maintained.
But the two years figures of big losses are also not a true reflection of the business and perhaps the 2022 accounts when they are published will give more of an insight of how the business was doing in the year of closure. Lets not forget, its closure was announced in 2021, so this website/petition, call it what you want had a year to try and gather support to give realistic opposition or support, but they waited until it was already closed, animals were moved and nothing could realistically be done, without causing further delay and a backward step which benefits no one.
Also I visited several times in 2022, and near enough every time except for the last two weeks, it was one man and its dog there. Yes what was there was getting less and less, but aside of Wild Place, the emergence of Noahs Ark, which has better public transport links than Wild Place had already seen what were regular Bristol Zoo visitors going over to Failand for a day out. Yes those last two weeks were busy and incredibly busy on the final couple of days, but the trend had very much been a growing one since re-opening after Covid.
I loved Bristol Zoo, I had many happy memories and days there, but I also appreciate for the area of Bristol to have a truly magnificent zoo, which is up to modern day standards, it can only happen at Wild Place and not in Clifton.

No, Clifton does not need more wealthy housing, you are right and there are loads for sale already, but Bristol Zoo have to raise as much capital as possible, and their plans protects a lot of the buildings and gardens, yet raises a Substancial amount of money. For the West Car Park and the Main Site alone, you are talking 25-35m to buy it based on the plans. Funds which would help build a state of the art facility off the side of the M5, which will attract more visitors. Lets not forget the damage the Clean Air Zone would have also had on the Clifton site. If the decision of free parking and no £9 charge is an option at Wild Place or Noahs Ark, or having to pay minimum £12 extra to visit Bristol Zoo, it is a no brainer as to what audience is going to be attracted.
What would Bristol Zoo have got if selling the site for a Zoo, as a 12acre site. I don't physically know, but when collections twice/three times the size, with their current business and animals are potentially available at around £5m. then I would suggest the sale of Bristol Zoo to remain as a zoo, would not bring anywhere near the funds it would as a development, and say they had an offer of 2-3m for it as a zoo, even empty, even if that was for the main site and they could still sell the West Car Park for housing and generate 5-8m for that alone, I doubt it would even be considered, because it wont scratch the surface of the funding Wild Place will need.

I read an article the other week, that in 2022, Chester Zoo had 143,000 members or thereabouts. People generally paying £87 a year on direct debit. Many of these members were not even local, and several thousand were people from abroad. I personally am a Chester Zoo member and I go at least 2 times a month, so for me it works out at £3.63 a visit, but it is £30 there and back in petrol for me and then there's food and so on. But except for the very local residents, I wonder how many of these members go to Chester more than the 3 times to make it pay. I am also a stupid member, as I have annual membership at Paignton, Edinburgh and Bristol. All these collections that I could have visited on my Chester pass, but I done it to support the zoos, not to benefit on free entry. But Chester's annual members alone brings in close to £12.5m a year! That's without considering extra spending when visiting, and they know they have this funding in every year.
Now Bristol I think like many areas miss a trick. There are around 300,000 people of working age in Bristol, if the Zoo tried to make contact and say if you live in the three areas of Bristol you can get an annual pass at say £20 for unlimited visits, you set a very low bar. Now some people don't even like animals, many are anti zoo, but supporting your local community, even if say 20% of that 300,000 agreed to such offer would generate 1.2m. Most of these people would rarely if ever use the pass, they would see it as helping the community, and maybe you throw in newsletters and stuff online, competitions, all to make it look worth that £20.

But I don't think Bristol really had many annual members. Chester set the bar, but Edinburgh even has around 45,000 paying around £60 a year. I mean I pay £4.84 a month by direct debit, and I rarely go to Edinburgh Zoo! But its £5 a month, £5 I wont even notice when it goes out my bank account.

I do think at a lot of zoos fundraising and marketing teams are very poor, even worse are a lot of their social media teams. Some zoos seem to have great relations with local press. Look at Chester Zoo, a news and updates group which is run by Cheshire Live, has over 10,000 people posting pictures and reading about the zoo on a daily basis and Cheshire Live report on everything the zoo does to help it gain national and international awareness. Yet in some areas, the only time you hear about something, is when something negative happens.

I personally feel that Bristol Zoo was its own undoing, they didn't move with the times, and they didn't endear themselves to the locals and whilst there are 4300 odd signatures on a petition to try and reopen it, and they are only 700 away from it actually having to be put forward, they don't identify any realistic solutions and its more about, I've lost my childhood memories.

I was very lucky before it closed to have 20 minutes of Simon Garrett's time talking about the zoo, its future plans and so on and there was many suggestions about how you could educate people about what Bristol Zoo was.
Whether it be a small museum at the planned new café, or many of the well known artefacts left at the zoo with signage. Perhaps even the odd aviary which volunteers could manage. They could also offer virtual reality tours, so you walk around with a headset on and see what the zoo was before using cgi and videos. These are all plausible ideas which could educate future generations of how one of the worlds oldest zoos got to a stage, where it had to close, to make way for a better future, one that aids conservation and better serves the community and the area. The problem is, if you don't educate people, then they never learn. I feel so much of what the people who have signed/written this website and petition want, could realistically be answered and shown to them, that the heritage of the site is being protected, the memories don't need to vanish and actually what the Zoo wants to create offers way more benefit then trying to save a zoo, which ultimately would have had to change its inventory completely or been closed regardless of the effects of Covid at some point in the future.

It's closure was obviously very sad, and for someone who grew up loving Bristol it saddened me. But I also know it was the correct decision.

That is all very true, especially considering the average house price in Clifton is this year probably closer to £1 million, Bristol Zoo never seemed to really reach out to this community - let alone Bristol as a whole and your right, this was rather short sighted. I do feel it’s partly because of some of the directors not previously having a background in the area and/or coming from the states etc they might of not understood this.

I always thought Chester Zoo was a bit overrated, but that is probably exactly why - they have significant more coverage in the press than seemingly any other Zoo. Several of its staff Ive seen conduct interviews on national tv too.

I remember reading somewhere on this forum about how little history most Zoo staff themselves know in general, (contrary to us) which is a shame but not unsurprising as (being a charity) working at a Zoo is amongst the lowest paid sectors. The same could be said for the marketing teams i guess of some of these places.

I’m a member of Edinburgh Zoo, but even to find out about that I had to do a bit of digging. I find Zoos more broadly arent forthcoming when it comes to information either, they don’t like you asking too many questions.

Another example being with RZSS regarding the pandas departing as well as the extension of the loan - they waited until it was leaked to the media (and also through FOI to the Scottish government, some of which was my doing) before making an announcement. I do also find it odd that they don’t seem to keep a members login anymore, a lot of the members features can be accessed for free via a search engine anyway so they are missing a trick here too.

I agree though, in recent years Bristol Zoo was seemingly undertaking managed decline and a shadow of what it once was really. An opportunity has been lost long before the pandemic.
 
Does anyone know where the drills went?
A male Drill went to Africa Alive in March 2015, I think he died a few years ago. There was a female at Bristol too in February 2015 when I visited. Not sure what happened to her.
 
Does anyone know where the drills went?
The male Rourke went to Barcelona (the one that went to Africa Alive in 2015 would have been his male companion before females were allocated to them.) He(Rourke) was the last Drill to leave the zoo.

The remaining female(one died) and their either one or two(?) daughters went to Fota WP in Ireland, to join an existing pair there.

Another species lost which could have moved to Wild Place instead of phasing them out.
 
Sorry to keep asking questions , does anyone know if there are historical stock lists of what Bristol zoo has ?
 
Sorry to keep asking questions , does anyone know if there are historical stock lists of what Bristol zoo has ?

Perhaps if you send them an email and explain why you may want to know, they will be happy to pass on previous inventories to you.
Aside of that Zootierliste under former holdings for the collection would give you some idea.
 
Does anyone know of anything is happening regarding the zoo, they haven’t really updated anyone on it at all recently and I know west car park is having some issues but aside from that
 
Does anyone know of anything is happening regarding the zoo, they haven’t really updated anyone on it at all recently and I know west car park is having some issues but aside from that

What's to update?

It's a site, which has animals in, waiting to move to other collections and animals waiting for exhibits to be created at its new site.

It is a site that is without planning. The West Car Park has finally been granted planning for a range of houses and apartments which do not exceed the capacity of 62 residential properties, but despite it being the second time it has passed planning, there has been further appeals to it and CHIS (Clifton and Hotwells Improvement Society) are wanting it blocked by not just Bristol Council, but Government and are prepared to take it the whole way! It is to be debated on 15th March, with a decision expecting in the following week, but even if granted, that's not it fully accepted. CHIS have made it clear they will take this to parliament and have urged Bristol Council to do the right thing and Block the proposals for good. Two other bodies (albeit one a bit of a fantasy route, wanting Bristol Zoo to reopen as a zoo under the same ownership and return of all its animals) are also trying to appeal, so this saga will drag on and on.

Getting planning for the main site, that's a whole different kettle of fish! Initial debates have not even started yet, it will be a long time, before this is at any position to sell it.

In a massive financial downturn, I would love to know who the buyers are going to be. Property magnets are being hit with massive raises in mortgages, spiralling costs and the whole Bristol Zoo project will cost fortunes.

Estimated value on the planning approved areas is set around 12m for the West Car Park. Then the ground needs flattening, structures removing, and then foundations and build. For quality modern homes, you are talking in the region of 20-25m in spend. So for an outlay of 32-37m, you will have 62 properties ranging from 1 bedroom apartments, to 2 and 3 bedroom houses. The bottom end at around 350K, to the upper regions of £1.25m at current values in the area. The gain from the project would probably be circa 10m for a developer on that site alone and a 25% yield on investment may be of interest to some parties, but it will take 4-6 years to complete no doubt, and then the properties have to be sold and we are at a time where those with the deepest pockets are getting hit, businesses are failing and the desire for top end houses is declining. In fact many wealthy people are now cashing in on properties and moving to less affluent areas to obtain something bigger and better than they have and saving money.

The appeal of buying the West Car Park will be there for some, but it wont be as attractive as it may have been 5 years ago. Then you also have to consider the sustainable needs of such a project, and the green elements and that is before you consider it's location in a clean air zone, increases the cost of living in the area.

Bristol may indeed have interested parties, and buyers lined up for the West Car Park, it's a far less complicated build and project than the main site, but until it happens further developments can't happen and those funds are needed to start the first phases of Wild Place.

How much of the future plans relies on the sale of the main site, I don't know, but I would not be surprised if that site is less forward in 5-10 years.

But once the West Car Park is sold (Should planning be finally agreed on the 15th March), there should be at least some direction of positivity for Bristol Zoo, and Wild Place. It should see initial developments made.

I fear however that the main site, will be a lot harder to get planning for, even harder to find a buyer for, and it could stay in its current state for a number of years. These things don't happen overnight. My bigger fear, is all the protection of the site, its heritage and status will make it a tricky buy, and I fear that unless buyers are identified, that over time, the plans even if approved, may not appeal to those wanting to buy and that at some point the whole planning suggestions may be scrapped just to achieve a sale. The site is worth a lot of money for housing, but is it worth what it's valued at with all the plans with the gardens and so on.

At least a sale of the West Car Park funds the first phases at Wild Place, but I sincerely hope the whole future of the site is reliant on the sale of the main site.

I don't think Bristol Zoo ever anticipated this level of opposition. But I don't think they had any idea how hard a place Bristol is to get planning for anything these days. Harbourside took nearly 8 years from initial plans to get something through to build, and it was 11 years until it was built, and then it didn't sell very well. Apartments are still empty and for sale, and the commercial buildings have opened, closed and reopened and closed as well.

CHIS are adamant, that Bristol doesn't need what is being suggested by Bristol Zoo, and would rather the West Car Park be used for housing, ONLY if the main site becomes a fully green community space, with commercial buildings in the listed properties. i,e cafes, museums, shops.

This however would fetch nowhere near the money Bristol Zoo needs.

I will be staggered if Wild Place is anywhere close to being re-branded Bristol Zoo and opening as they want to with phase one complete by Summer 2024, the only way it will happen in my eyes, is either a major financial backer comes in to support the charity, funding the new builds, or they take out a loan based on the sites in Clifton, as I can't seeing planning, and sale of either site giving them the funds anytime soon.

It is however a sorry state of affairs, and this will drag on for quite some time.
 
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If you want an idea of time, look up the Redcatch Quarter plans of Bristol in Knowle.

This was to turn an old Shopping centre into flats, and houses. Then changed to flats, houses and a cinema and shopping retail park.

This was an old Shopping centre, where most of the shops are empty or closed.

The original plans were started in 2018, and it's still being debated now and is another set for the March 15th hearing!

That is nearly 5 years on, and it was a shopping centre, not a Zoo which was massively loved and in a naturally green area of Bristol.
 
Does anyone have the new Bristol zoo design proposals? They were on the future website for a while but have since been removed and I can’t find them anywhere
 
Throughout its timeline, what lemurs were in the lemur walkthrough? I can only ever remember the ring tailed lemurs and crowned lemurs but wondered if there were ever more or different species in there
 
Originally the ring-tailed lemurs shared with B&W ruffed lemurs but the ruffed lemurs were moved on to a lake island due to interspecific conflict.
 
A small update, the small buildings/walls/gates in the west car park have been demolished and seems like building work will begin soon
 
A small update, the small buildings/walls/gates in the west car park have been demolished and seems like building work will begin soon

So do you know what the cost they got for the sale of the car park,was it the millions that was expected and is it enough to cover the cost,of building the gorillas at the new species rich new zoo?
Also will they now have millions in reserve in the bank for future building works at the new zoo, because you went very silent when it was proven that they are looking at selling part of the new site on another thread.
 
So do you know what the cost they got for the sale of the car park,was it the millions that was expected and is it enough to cover the cost,of building the gorillas at the new species rich new zoo?
Also will they now have millions in reserve in the bank for future building works at the new zoo, because you went very silent when it was proven that they are looking at selling part of the new site on another thread.
I think it was always here say that it was sold for 12 million and it would fund the first phase but I’m not 100% sure
 
I think it was always here say that it was sold for 12 million and it would fund the first phase but I’m not 100% sure

So enough to build a UK gold standard gorilla enclosure and little else then, but certainly not one that would beat the best in the world , so sad to see the lack of ambition for the new Bristol.
 
So enough to build a UK gold standard gorilla enclosure and little else then, but certainly not one that would beat the best in the world , so sad to see the lack of ambition for the new Bristol.
I think you might be underestimating how much 12 million is. A few other great ape exhibits for reference (and baring in mind that the below statistics reflect the entirety of said exhibit, not just the area for the apes):

- Budongo Trails (Edinburgh Zoo) - £5.65 million in 2008, £8.8 million adjusting for inflation
- Gorilla Kingdom (ZSL London Zoo) - £5.3 million in 2007, £8.5 million adjusting for inflation
- Realm of the Red Ape (Chester Zoo) - £3.7 million in 2007, £5.9 million adjusting for inflation

Asides from Islands at Chester, which is completely different to the rest in scale, the most expensive project in the recent history of British zoos was the renovation to the Entrance Building at Twycross, which included improved visitor facilities, a large Snow Leopard enclosure and a wetland birds aviary, which cost £7 million in 2009, which is £10.6 million adjusting for inflation. Of course it likely that not all of the £12 million will go towards the new gorilla enclosure, but if the majority of it does then that is easily enough to construct something world-class. It is roughly twice the cost of what many consider to be the greatest orangutan exhibit in Europe, RotRA at Chester, so as long as they are cautious with how they spend their money, it is more than enough to design a world-beating gorilla complex as you desire. Exhibits in other countries seem to cost more (especially North America), but given how excellent some of the above exhibits are I would attribute that to less cautious and budget spending, as well as a focus on lavish theming that is equally strong as that on exhibitry.

And 'lack of ambition' sounds needlessly harsh. Bristol was struggling with running costs, hence the decision to close the original Zoo Gardens, and now people are expecting the new zoo, which has only existed since 2013, and has only had the responsibility of entirely taking over for the Gardens since 2021 (I believe that is when the decision to close the zoo was announced, although it is possible that it had been settled upon earlier), and now people are expecting the zoo to become world-class overnight! It's not going to happen. It is not a lack of ambition but a lack of funds, which in time will hopefully be solved, but it will take time and people need to expect that. I don't think ambition is an issue.
 
I think you might be underestimating how much 12 million is. A few other great ape exhibits for reference (and baring in mind that the below statistics reflect the entirety of said exhibit, not just the area for the apes):

- Budongo Trails (Edinburgh Zoo) - £5.65 million in 2008, £8.8 million adjusting for inflation
- Gorilla Kingdom (ZSL London Zoo) - £5.3 million in 2007, £8.5 million adjusting for inflation
- Realm of the Red Ape (Chester Zoo) - £3.7 million in 2007, £5.9 million adjusting for inflation

Asides from Islands at Chester, which is completely different to the rest in scale, the most expensive project in the recent history of British zoos was the renovation to the Entrance Building at Twycross, which included improved visitor facilities, a large Snow Leopard enclosure and a wetland birds aviary, which cost £7 million in 2009, which is £10.6 million adjusting for inflation. Of course it likely that not all of the £12 million will go towards the new gorilla enclosure, but if the majority of it does then that is easily enough to construct something world-class. It is roughly twice the cost of what many consider to be the greatest orangutan exhibit in Europe, RotRA at Chester, so as long as they are cautious with how they spend their money, it is more than enough to design a world-beating gorilla complex as you desire. Exhibits in other countries seem to cost more (especially North America), but given how excellent some of the above exhibits are I would attribute that to less cautious and budget spending, as well as a focus on lavish theming that is equally strong as that on exhibitry.

And 'lack of ambition' sounds needlessly harsh. Bristol was struggling with running costs, hence the decision to close the original Zoo Gardens, and now people are expecting the new zoo, which has only existed since 2013, and has only had the responsibility of entirely taking over for the Gardens since 2021 (I believe that is when the decision to close the zoo was announced, although it is possible that it had been settled upon earlier), and now people are expecting the zoo to become world-class overnight! It's not going to happen. It is not a lack of ambition but a lack of funds, which in time will hopefully be solved, but it will take time and people need to expect that. I don't think ambition is an issue.


Ah yes the wonderful entrance building at Twycross, tell me where do you pay to enter the zoo in it, because I've always paid at the same old pay kiosk outside.
Interesting you break down the costs for other ape enclosures, because even taking inflation in to it none of them come close to what Chester was planning on spending on gorillas, what ever Bristol spends on it, it's not going to be better than the best in Europe and certainly not the USA.
As for a lack of ambition I stand by the comment, because I'm yet to see any sign of it because a zoo the size of Bristol shouldn't be holding less species than Shaldon, which is all the planned species at the new zoo does.
 
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